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    MikeF 2.24.2009 at 1:36 pm |

    On the last item, I don’t think those are “scare-quotes” as much as anti-libel quotes. They can’t just flatly assert that the rape accusation is true before a verdict is reached. Actually, the Daily Fail is a pretty ghastly publication, but the BBC articles on the case use quotes in a similar way. I think it’s common in the UK press to put quotes around criminal accusations, similar to how the US press would add “allegedly” or “according to”.

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    inky 2.24.2009 at 1:45 pm |

    Re: Words Mean Things. “A schoolgirl who killed herself after having sex with her 39-year-old flying instructor saw the encounter as rape, a court heard.”

    Well yes. She was 13. That wouldn’t be her ‘having sex’. That would be rape.

    It really fills me with despair when editors allow this kind of misuse of language to be printed in this way.

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    Aura Kitten 2.24.2009 at 1:48 pm |

    I cannot articulate how incredibly disgusted I am about that last link. :: puke ::

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    Ignotus 2.24.2009 at 3:06 pm |

    My impression is that the Loveleen controversy is based on a misapprehension. There’s a long post about this over at The Script Reader. Relevant quote:

    “A co-directing credit is something somewhat different from a standard directing credit. Traditionally it has been assigned to people who help direct animation or who second unit work and often work with big crowds. In this case Tandan did the latter and helped with questions of Indian culture in addition to casting the film and Boyle thought she was so wonderful that he gave her a co-direct credit, from what i read because he thought she’d make a great director and wanted to credit her up so that she would have a little more cache with which to possibly direct her own film. Again, co-direct is a different thing than director credit, as is assistant director credit, second unit director credit, etc. If he’d chosen to share his directing credit (which would have been odd since she didn’t direct any first unit stuff and didn’t work on the project in the development stage at quite the same level as Boyle), she’d be listed next to his name with an “and” in between, as is the case with the coen brothers or any others who really do share directing tasks. Instead, she’s got her own title card because she was instrumental in making the film but she wasn’t it’s director. ”

    http://filmindustrybloggers.com/thescriptreader/2009/01/12/post-holidays-post-golden-globe-blog-of-controversy/

    Boyle gave Loveleen a co-director credit because he was trying to raise her profile – and she’s directing the next film she’s working on. It seems counter-productive to pillory him.

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    Erin R 2.24.2009 at 3:06 pm |

    From what I understand, Obama has less women in his actual CABINET than EITHER Clinton or Bush, though women might have more positions otherwise in his administration.

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    Erin R 2.24.2009 at 3:16 pm |

    Obama currently has 3 women in his cabinet, and 3 other women in cabinet-LEVEL positions, which is not the cabinet.

    Bush had 3 women in his original cabinet, 4 in his final cabinet.

    Clinton also had 4 women in his final cabinet.

    Sorry if that doesn’t fit with the ‘change’ Obama narrative.

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    Lauren 2.24.2009 at 3:19 pm |

    Funny. I became a feminist in the prime of my sexual excess.

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    Luna 2.24.2009 at 3:22 pm |

    Okay, I get that rape might be in quotes because of libel laws, but did you see that caption?! “Suicide: Cherrell Evans, 13, committed suicide after an alleged sexual affair with 39-year-old Nicholls”

    A 13 year old girl does not, and cannot, have a sexual affair with a 39 year old. Period.

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    Kaninchen 2.24.2009 at 3:28 pm |

    Should I be appalled that they published the victim’s name and photograph in the WORDS MEAN THINGS linked article? I mean, I am appalled. I just… is there anything positive about that? Making it more personal will make people pay better attention? I feel like I’m grasping at straws.

    I am feeling bleak for many reasons, but that seemed particularly horrifying.

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    Lizzie (greeneyed fem) 2.24.2009 at 3:40 pm |

    Thanks for the link, Ignotus. I was the one who sent in the tip about Slumdog Millionaire, and it’s good to have some clarification. I’ve sent your link on to everyone who I sent the original story to.

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    MikeF 2.24.2009 at 3:56 pm |

    but did you see that caption?!

    No, I missed that – pretty bad. As I said though, the Daily Mail is a despicable rag… what really surprised me is the BBC caption: ‘Fling’ row over suicide girl, 13

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    Kim F 2.24.2009 at 4:23 pm |

    I second MikeF’s comment about the BBC. Not only was the headline of their coverage disgusting, but the original article DID NOT use the word “rape” ONCE, with or without quotes. Instead, it continuously used the phrases “had sex with”, “had an affair with” etc. Expected from the Daily Mail, but really BBC? Everyone should please email them regarding this issue.

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    Bitter Scribe 2.24.2009 at 4:26 pm |

    From the article on Sakia Gunn’s murder:

    [T]he defense [argued that] the circumstances leading up to the crime were unlikely to recur and that Mr. McCullough was unlikely to commit a crime again.

    Um…what?

    How were the circumstances “unlikely to recur”? Is this guy so irresistible to teenage girls that only a lesbian would reject him?

    I know we need a defense bar, they’re a mainstay of the system, they keep police and prosecutors honest, etc. But honestly, how do some defense lawyers manage to look at themselves in the mirror long enough to shave or put on makeup?

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    Laura 2.24.2009 at 7:10 pm |

    I agree with MikeF – the UK has extremely restrictive libel and slander laws, so strict that the fact that something is true isn’t even sufficient defense. They would be on the hook for thousands of pounds for using the word “pedophile” before the trial was over.

    I took the quotation marks in the headline to mean that they were using one of the survivor’s own words, letting her tell her own story – nearly all of the text was direct quotations from her testimony. Given British libel laws, the linked story actually seemed quite respectful.

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    Maureen 2.25.2009 at 7:29 am |

    unrelated – have you seen the new commercial for Dixie disposable cups? It just ran on NBC and I was appalled. Man in suit going to work, woman all dolled up and making breakfast, other woman pushing child in stroller while man gets in car to go to office, where there are three more men, a token woman, and some kid.

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    Jesurgislac 2.25.2009 at 3:25 pm |

    Do we really need to put the word “raped” in scare-quotes when a 13-year-old kills herself after being raped by a 39-year-old man?

    In the UK, a man of 39 who has sex with a girl under 13 has, in law, committed rape no matter what the circumstances. If the girl is over 13, and she consented to sex, the crime is called “unlawful sexual intercourse”: if she did not consent, the crime is rape. But, the girl was over 13, is now dead, and the man’s testimony is that he didn’t have sex with her: the evidence that he raped her is the testimony of the younger girl’s friend, a 16-year-old, who says that the man had sex with her, too, which the man also denies, though he admits to trying to have sex with her.

    It all comes down to whether the jury decide to take the word of the 16-year-old girl against the 39-year-old man. If the jury finds that the 16-year-olds evidence is insufficient to convict the man of rape, even given the additional evidence of the text messages and the tragic fact of the younger girl’s suicide, then once the man has been acquitted, using the word “raped” without scare quotes would be libel: and while the trial is continuing, most newspapers will indicate with scare quotes that they are just quoting the evidence, or add cautiously “alleged”.

    If the younger girl were alive and able to say for herself to the jury “He raped me”, then that would in and of itself probably carry considerable weight – though again, the older man would undoubtedly simply deny the sex and his defense lawyer would present both girls as liars out to get revenge. But because she is dead, the only testimony that she did describe sex with the older man as rape, is the word of her friend – hearsay evidence.

    The air cadet instructor’s admission that he did try to have sex with a 15-year-old air cadet, the 13-year-old’s friend, is enough to make him look horribly sleazy: unless, of course, his defense lawyer can present him to the jury as the victim of a designing bitch .

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    Axiomatic 2.26.2009 at 6:42 am |

    A 13 year old “had an affair” with a 39 year old man? Humbert Humbert must be pleased. Got to show those nymphets what for, eh?

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    Cara 2.28.2009 at 9:28 am |

    Okay, seriously. Everyone wants to talk about libel, but why could they not just say “accused/alleged rape”? As in “Schoolgirl air cadet killed herself after alleged rape by instructor” without the scare quotes around the word rape?

    Really, because if I’m missing something, I’d love to know about it. It seems like there is a perfectly logical move out of this situation whether it involves someone who could have not possibly given consent or not. But instead, I just see the word in scare quotes constantly.

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