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So, last night at about 7:20PM, our power went out. No, there wasn’t a storm, and we still have no idea what happened — only that the power didn’t come back until about 11:45. Meaning that I missed LOST.
Oh, I watched it first thing this morning online, of course. I’m just letting you know that I’ve had about 12 fewer hours than normal to think about/sleep on the episode.
So, LaFleur opens up where we left off on the island, with John Locke disappearing into the ground below. Quickly, Juliet, Sawyer, Miles and Jin all go through another flash, and see a statue that most likely has four toes standing off in the distance. Ooooh. But it doesn’t last long, because that damn Locke has to go turn the wheel before any investigating can be done.
They flash again, but this time more intensely. They notice that their headaches are gone, as are the nosebleeds. Juliet declares that she thinks it’s over, that Locke did it. Sawyer then declares that it’s time to wait for him to come back. When asked how long they’re going to wait for, Sawyer says in a gruff, manly voice “as long as it takes.” Indeed, he repeats that line so many times throughout the episode that I start to worry that it will become the new “They took my son!”
The show takes us to three years later, where we see some dudes in a Dharma station at night, blah blah blah, and they notice on their monitors that Horace (you know, guy who helped Ben and his dad, also seen dead and chopping down trees?) is drunk and throwing dynamite around the sonic weapon fence. They say that they better go get LaFleur, the security chief, but they’re scared of waking him. They do it anyway, only for us to learn what any dummy could have guessed on their own — LaFleur is Sawyer.
Sawyer goes and gets Miles, and together they go get Horace. Sawyer brings Horace back home to a pregnant woman, we presume his wife, named Amy. Amy is about to tell Sawyer about some fight that her and Horace had, when she starts having contractions. Oh noes! The baby is coming!
Three years earlier again, Faraday is mumbling in the jungle, sans Charlotte’s body, something about how he’s not going to tell her this time. He then says that: Charlotte’s body has disappeared, of course the flashes have stopped you dumbasses, I’m going to use that really irritating line about “when” we are again, and yes, I could indeed be doing some better acting in this scene, but no I’m not going to.
Quite quickly, Sawyer becomes the new Jack, and Juliet becomes the new Kate. Meaning that Sawyer becomes the leader who actually isn’t all that great of a leader and doesn’t really have all that many good ideas, but becomes leader by default because he has some of the most useful island survival skills for the moment, is the most pushy and most of all because no one else really wants to do it. Juliet becomes the new supportive woman to the leader, who is actually generally smarter than the leader in question, has better ideas most of the time, but plays second fiddle and gazes adoringly at said leader, constantly professing how “behind” him she is, because well, that’s what us ladies do.
They stumble upon a couple being attacked. The man is shot dead, and the woman has a brown sack thrown over her head (sound familiar?). Sawyer and Juliet play hero, killing the two guys. The woman — the Amy we saw previously — takes them back to Dharma Central with the dead guy/boyfriend Paul’s body, but not before knocking them all unconscious with the sonic weapon fence, because they were too busy chatting to notice her putting earplugs in her ears.
Sawyer wakes up, cons Horace. Says his name is Jim LaFleur, and he’s the captain of a ship that crashed on the island. Horace says thanks for saving Amy, now we’re sending you home because you’re not Dharma material. For some reason, Sawyer hates this idea and works on letting them stay longer. (Seemingly, as he later explains to Juliet, because there’s nothing in 1974 back in the real world for them anyway. And besides, they’d risk running into their former selves, which would just be awkward.)
He accomplishes this by saving the treaty between the Dharma people and the Others/Hostiles/Indigenous population lead by Richard Alpert. He tells Alpert about the bomb, asks if he buried it, says he knows all about Locke coming to visit him in the 50s, and explains that no treaty was broken because he killed the Others guys and he’s not a Dharma person. Yet! Bwaha! Because brokering a deal with Alpert buys Sawyer two more weeks on the island, which he manages to extend into 3 years, which is where we are now — presumably, 1977.
Let’s see, then Sawyer takes Amy to the doctor, who says that babies are only supposed to be born on the mainland. Sawyer goes and gets Juliet — who is now a mechanic, which I love — and gets her to save Amy and the baby, blah blah blah. Fluent-English Jin comes and tells Sawyer something about how there’s still no sign of the Oceanic 6 — I guess they’re watching out for them every day — and Sawyer says “WAAAAALLLLLTTTT!” “as long as it takes!”
Then we find out what we also already knew, which is that Sawyer and Juliet are an item. They say that they love each other, and are playing house like Sawyer once wanted to do with Kate. Then Sawyer goes and gives Horace a good talking to, about his drunken ways and how he missed the birth of his son. Horace says he’s upset because he thinks that Amy still isn’t over dead Paul and asks whether or not three years is long enough to get over someone. After telling a very thinly veiled story about some woman he used to love and can now only barely remember, Sawyer asserts that yes, three years is long enough to get over someone.
Until the Oceanic 3 (Jack, Hurley, and Kate) show up with Jin at the very end, and Sawyer not only doesn’t tell Juliet but also looks all wistful when he sees Kate. Oops.
So questions: Mainly, this episode dealt with interpersonal relationships, rather than big questions. Which leaves us asking (and yes, roll your eyes, but I care), will Sawyer and Kate get back together? Or will they stay in the current Sawyer/Juliet, Jack/Kate (kind of) pairings? Will Sawyer remain true to Juliet, only to have Juliet end up feeling all insecure and getting it on with ex-sorta-flame Jack instead? Who knows!
Will we ever find out what happened to Rose and Bernard? Three years have passed, and still no sign of them. How could they kill off a character that has been with us since the very first episode of the show without a word? And if they’re alive, where the hell are they? Will Faraday stop looking at toddler Charlotte all longingly like a damn pedophile? Will Horace stop being a weirdo drunk? And will all of our Lostie friends, as the running question goes, ever get back to the future?
Seems like it’s two weeks til a new episode, but we shall see!
Rose and Bernard *better not* be dead. There will be problems if they are.
THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING, Thom!
Considering how Michael and Walt’s storyline was “resolved”, I wouldn’t be surprised if the writers drop the ball on Rose and Bernard.
As for Sawyer-Kate-Jack-Juliet-whoever, that’s the only part of Lost that has never ceased to bore me in all these years. I’m not anti-romance. (Desmond and Penny are my people!) But whenever this story comes up, I just don’t care.
Well they’ve at least acknowledged whether Michael and Walt were alive or dead. Their storyline, especially Walt’s, hasn’t exactly been “resolved” per se, but they didn’t just disappear off the face of the planet forever and all time until the end of the show.
I understand the difference you’re talking about, Cara. For me, it seemed like less effort was put into Michael and Walt’s story arc vs. other folk. I thought sending Michael off the island only to bring him back and blow him up on the freighter was weak, when his story began in a more interesting fashion. And whenever we see Walt, it doesn’t add much to the plot. It’s like the writers are telling you, “By the way, Walt is still around.”
I would really like to know what happened with Michael, though. Just sayin’. I like when plot holes get resolved.
And yeah, the Kate/Sawyer/Juliet/Jack stuff bores me, too. Mostly because I don’t like Juliet’s character and I CANNOT STAND Kate or Jack (it says a lot about the overall story of the show that I love it even though I despise the leading woman and man).
I wouldn’t mind if the writers just did not resolve the romantic pairings, because I don’t care. I DO care about how they get back to 200-whatever-year-the-present-is. And about how Sayid and Hurley get there. And how/why Ben got beat up. And Rose and Bernard, of course. I just adore them.
Horace says thanks for saving Amy, now we’re sending you home because you’re not Dharma material. For some reason, Sawyer hates this idea and works on letting them stay longer.
I just assumed he wanted to do that to wait around for Locke. I mean, would Locke really be able to find them if they were sent to Tahiti?
I thought Michael was resolved, earlgreyroobios? I assumed he died, since he was standing right next to the bomb when it blew up, and since Christian/the Island said “you can go (die) now, Michael,” which is what he wanted all along.
And I’m not disagreeing with you, ZiaTroyano. They took Michael/Walt off the show because the kid playing Walt grew up to fast (this was a clear casting error, though I think that the Malcolm David Kelley is a good actor and all). But now that time has caught up with Walt’s age, there’s no reason not to bring him back, especially since he seemed so important at the beginning. What with his psychic abilities and all. I honestly thought that Michael was kind of a boring, one-dimensional character to begin with, so I can’t say I was too sad to see him go. Walt though, definitely.
“but they didn’t just disappear off the face of the planet forever and all time until the end of the show.”
I now have this mental picture of the last episode, where Rose and Bernard walk into a clearing-running into the primary cast. “Where were you guys?! Bernard and I were looking all over the island for you!”
I think the Bernard/Rose situation shows the conflict between storytelling and budgeting/scheduling for actors who are only occasionally on the show. For the previous four seasons, they could simply pretend they were somewhere with the extras most of the time, but now they’ve all been killed. And apparently, the actors have other commitments:
http://www.tvguide.com/news/happened-Rose-34597.aspx
Well it’s good to know that they are coming back eventually! Damn!
I assumed [Michael] died, since he was standing right next to the bomb when it blew up, and since Christian/the Island said “you can go (die) now, Michael,” which is what he wanted all along.
I still would like for Walt to get some resolution – he doesn’t know his father died, does he? I dunno, I guess it’s not that important, it just grates on me a little that Walt doesn’t know.
Also, I know this is silly, but I would love for Walt and Vincent to reunite (although Vincent is probably dead?). It’s not important to the plot at all, I’d just love to see it.
Vincent’s whereabouts also have not been covered. I hope that he’s with Rose and Bernard :)
And yeah, they all seem to be really trying to hide the fact that Michael is dead from Walt, like he’s 3-years-old or something and can’t handle it. The kid is what, 15? Jesus, I’m sure it’s really going to suck to find out that his other parent is dead too, but he sure as hell deserves to know.
I thought it was odd that Walt didn’t seem that stressed when he talked to John Locke. Even if he had been dreaming about the guy, I would think that Walt would have been peppering John with questions.
I saw the Sawyer/Juliet thing coming, but it doesn’t make me like it anymore. My first reaction was “WTF? Are women interchangeable or something?” It just pissed me off. I get that Jack and Sawyer are the dominant male figures, but why do they have to share women? (And why do Juliet and Kate become more alike as the show goes on? Do the writers only know how to write one type of female character?)
Thom
I almost had tea come out my nose visualizing Rose and Bernard running in during the last episode. Thanks. :)
Did anyone else enjoy the HELL out of this episode? I just thought it was fantastic when Sawyer was all like “Drink my knowledge up!” to Alpert, oh how the tables are turned!
I think Rose and Bernard become the skeletons that the survivors found in the caves in the first season. For real.
And where is 1970s Ben? I thought he grew up on the island. Or maybe that was just another one of his lies. Dammit, Ben. I can’t keep it all straight anymore.
I actually thought that it was a bit weak with some poor dialogue going on, but maybe that’s just me. It’s LOST, though, so it’s like pizza — even when it’s bad, it’s good.
Superlagirl, according to TV Guide or People or some other such magazine my mom was showing me, young Ben, played by the kid we we saw previously in the episode where we got Ben’s whole back story in a snapshot, is going to have a four episode story arch this season. He is apparently even supposed to not be all evil and actually help the Losties in some way. That’s all I know, and all I want to know!
And I hope you’re wrong about Rose and Bernard, because I love them, but it’s an interesting theory, nonetheless — and we do really need to come back to those skeletons.
Oh! And who was the baby? Anyone we know?
“I think the Bernard/Rose situation shows the conflict between storytelling and budgeting/scheduling for actors who are only occasionally on the show. For the previous four seasons, they could simply pretend they were somewhere with the extras most of the time, but now they’ve all been killed. And apparently, the actors have other commitments:”
Yeah, L. Scott Caldwell does a lot of stage work. The producers said that is the reason she didn’t appear more in the previous four seasons either. But honestly, when Lost is over? I want someone to add her and Sam to their cast. Or base a show around them…as Rose and Bernard or as two totally new characters. If someone makes it, I will watch it!
Oh! And who was the baby? Anyone we know?
You mean the baby that Amy had? Probably too young to be Ben if child-Ben is going to have a 4-story arc this season, but you never know . . .
I think Rose and Bernard become the skeletons that the survivors found in the caves in the first season. For real.</i.
That is an EXCELLENT theory. It would make me a little sad, actually, but it still would be a cool way to explain them.
Oh wait, Ben wasn’t born on the island. DUH. Lost fail.
Yeah, it’s definitely not Ben, but now I am wondering . . . we never did hear the kid’s name.
Faraday was going to be my next guess, but his mother’s name isn’t Amy.
But him and Horace are both similarly weird . . . :)
I don’t like at all that somehow the 90 days that Sawyer knew Kate are at all comparable to the relationship he’s been building with Juliet for 3 years.
Not Ben…his story told us he came to the island with his father to work for Dharma. Its the 70′s. Perhaps the baby is not anyone important for the plot.
Could it possibly be Desmond? Eloise Hawking said the island wasn’t done with him whether he liked it or not…He got angry and said something about her making it sould like he was always meant to be there anyway.
I don’t know, but Juliet began the show in “present” time, brought to figure out why no pregnant women could give birth on the island, they all died. So…did this baby never happen originally in the first place or did them (Sawyer, Juliette, etc) coming into the 70′s throught the flashes, on the island where they never were originally, actually create this event that was never supposed to happen in the first place/never did happen?
I don’t know if I explained it right, but in my head it sounded good.
Also…Ben should be about to kill the Dharma any day now…if they intend to match it correctly. He does it in the 70′s with his dad next to him, in one of the blue vans….that we see ALOT of in this episode…
Interesting: Horace has never heard of The Black Rock Sawyer was talking about becaue French lady landed 16 years before the present cast…not in the 70′s…so she is not even there yet…
GroovyBroad — the Black Rock wasn’t Danielle’s ship. The ship that her and her crew were on sunk, remember? They just had the rickety little boat? The Black Rock was an old slave ship, which means that I guess it would be circa, what, the 19th century? Maybe even 18th?
Whatever caused the pregnant women to die obviously hasn’t happened yet. As Faraday keeps explaining, whatever happened happened. The Losties flashing into the past couldn’t have changed it, so it must still be in the future. There’s been speculation that it has something to do with the atom bomb that was (maybe) buried. Since radiation is dangerous to pregnant women and all. If I understood what you explained right.
As for Ben and the Others killing everyone . . . I think that actually happened in the 80s? They still had the vans, but Ben was an adult by then. When you see him in the 70s, he’s like a pre-teen. But I agree with regards to the situation at hand, being that Ben is going to kill everyone in the camp someday, and they all know it. I have been wondering what their plans were there.
I didn’t really like this episode, and was a bit disappointed. When we saw the statue return within the first few minutes, I got so excited! And then the rest was this annoying character development, mushy gushy crap. I mean it was still good, but damn I expected a lot more after the first few minutes.
Some of the scenes were pretty good though. The Sawyer/Alpert scene was awesome, and when Sawyer called Desmond Plato, I could not stop laughing.
I don’t care anymore what happens with the love-triangle-turned-square they’ve got going. They had me interested for a while, but now I just want more action. There aren’t many episodes left, relatively speaking, and just so many damn questions still unanswered.
Even if he had been dreaming about the guy, I would think that Walt would have been peppering John with questions.
I always thought that after leaving the island the way he did, Walt has learned to not ask any questions. The answers will likely be too messy and too strange.
Oh, and they better not kill Sayid or I will lose it.
Cara, yes you’re right about the Black Rock…I always connected Danielle with it cause she always talked about having to trek 3 miles north of The Black Rock or this or that about the BR…but she is on her way eventually nonetheless…
Ok, and as far as the pregnant women…this part is still weird because
Ben brought Juliette to the island for this very reason, where he grew up…if he knew why it happened, meaning he is there in the 70′s…the bomb was the 50′s, right?
Then why not tell just her that was the problem is so she could actually fix it, if at all? I mean, she knows quite a bit about how long they have been there, Dharma station info, knows Richard, in some of her first episodes she turns off some alarm as well on a fence to keep that black smoke away, just alot of stuff…why keep her out of the loop of the problem she is supposed to be fixing when she knows all this other stuff?
Yea, not the best episode, but they can’t all be. I liked certain parts.
And seriously, where is Sayid, Pilot and Sun?
Well Ben doesn’t necessarily know what the problem is. I mean, even if it is the bomb, it doesn’t mean Ben would say “oh, that’s why the pregnant women are dying! Also, if it was the bomb, I’d assume that it’s because radiation that was previously contained had started leaking. Which they also could very well not know about.
Frank Lapidus (pilot) took a boat from weird little Dharma work station island and took it to the real island with “a woman” who we assume is Sun, but not necessarily. We have no idea where Sayid is at the moment, but from what I hear he was in the preview. I don’t know; the preview wasn’t online when I watched this morning.
The first sentence of my last paragraph above is all full of wierdness…and I can’t edit it…:(
But anyone got any ideas about why Ben went out of his way to stop Locke from killing himself only to flip out and kill him anyway?
And I thought someone on the show said that whoever turns that wheel can never come back. But Locke saw him lying on that bed as one of the “injured” passengers…I kinda understand how locke was able to come back, but why is Ben able to?
Ahh, but Ben likes to think he knows everything about the island!
I would just ask creepy Richard. He’s older than God anyway, he must know.
groovy- I think that Ben’s the one who said that whoever turns the wheel can’t come back (to convince Locke to let him turn it), so there’s no reason to believe it.
And as far as Walt’s storyline, I wondered if maybe one of the reasons they skipped ahead three years was so that they could bring Walt back without it being weird that he looked a few years older.
Well, acallidryas, Widmore did seem to further the notion by saying that Ben tricked him into turning the wheel and leaving the island. Presumably, he could just go back if there wasn’t anything stopping him. Unless of course that’s why he was sending people out to find the island, to do just that.
The baby can’t be Ben because we know Ben was born off the island. It can’t be Faraday because we know who Faraday’s mother is. I think the baby is possibly Desmond.
And I’m with superlagirl that “Adam and Eve” (the skeletons from Season 1) are Rose and Bernard. They were found with a black and white rock in front of them, which is a bit… literal… but it would make sense.
I just want them to bring back Libby and stop with the stupid Jack/Sawyer/Kate/Juliet drama. Juliet also needs to stop talking in that therapist voice all the time.
Anyone else happy to see Sawyer back with glasses on reading books? He is teh hotness in those scenes.
Cara, the preview is very traumatic re: Sayeed.
Also, sad that grown-up Walt is not a very good actor. He was so good as a kid!
Sorry, this bugs me to no end, since I share his name but his name is Sayyid pronounced like “Say id” (short, flat i) not Sayeed, which has a different meaning entirely. (I’m aware that everyone on the show makes the same mistake)
Anybody else think it was weird that Sawyer gave a fake name? They already knew it was in the past, and that nobody would know who they were. Also, when all the others told Horace to talk to Sawyer, what did they refer to him as? Our captain? James? Why not the regular Sawyer? It seemed like a weak reason just so they could play up the first few minutes pretending that Sawyer and the rest weren’t part of Dharma.
I find myself enjoying most episodes where Kate doesn’t play a central part. I think her character is pretty blah, and I constantly forget why I’m supposed to care. The other points of the square, however – Jack, Juliet, and, most of all, Sawyer, I liiike.
The statue was definitely the most exciting part of this episode, though. I squealed delightedly. At least they didn’t totally forget the statue.
Count me in among the people who desperately need Rose & Bernard back, in the meantime.
I’m not sure the baby is Desmond. The baby was born in 77, and the survivors meet Desmond in 2004, which would make him 27. He strikes me as older than that. Then again, I’m not very good judge of age.
Jill, that’s what I’ve heard. But they also had a lot of traumatic previews re: Sawyer in Season 3, and he’s still alive. In other words: THEY CANNOT KILL SAYID.
Sid, maybe they spelled the name wrong in writing the original scripts, but his name on the show is indeed spelled Sayid. Also, the character himself always pronounces his own name closer to Say-id, but it’s all of the American characters who pronounce it Sayeed.
Kyle, I think that he gave a fake name just because he’s probably so incredibly used to doing that when he’s running a con. Also, assuming that Horace didn’t know his name anyway, they could have all just said “talk to the blond guy.”
Superlagirl, I agree that Desmond looked older than 27 when he was first brought onto the show, and looks older than 30 now. For what it’s worth, I was just surprised to learn that Henry Ian Cusak himself is almost 42! So there you go! (And as a random note, no matter how old he is, he’s still super hot! So long as he has a beard of some sort.)
Yes, the name has many spellings and transliterations across different Arabic dialects, however, its pronunciation is still with the short i, not the elongated “i” that everyone else on the show pronounces it with. It is distinguished from the pronounciation of Ceaser’s portrayer Said Taghmaoui, which is indeed pronounced Sayeed.
But anyone got any ideas about why Ben went out of his way to stop Locke from killing himself only to flip out and kill him anyway?
And I thought someone on the show said that whoever turns that wheel can never come back. But Locke saw him lying on that bed as one of the “injured” passengers
I’m thinking this stuff ties into the “leadership of the Others/island” thing. Christian Shephard told Locke the other week that he was supposed to turn the wheel, not Ben. Ben told John about not being able to come back. But he lies so often, who knows if that’s true? And Eloise Hawking might be able to help Locke in a way that Ben doesn’t want her to.
“And as a random note, no matter how old he is, he’s still super hot! So long as he has a beard of some sort.”
Agreed. But the real question is, long hair or short? I’m so conflicted!
“Will Faraday stop looking at toddler Charlotte all longingly like a damn pedophile?”
LOLing. Hence grown-up Charlotte’s “Crazy man who scared me and told me to never come back” comment.
Sawyer took the name of an old con. but does anybody remember the episode where Hurley and Sawyer finds the old blue van? The one they fix up? It had a 6 pack of beer and a skeleton wearing a Darmah suit wth the name Laflur. Makes you wonder. We have also seen Horaces’ skeleton as well.
Last week’s episdoe, LaFleur -
Just after the scene where Sawyer convinces Juliet to stay on the island rather than take the sub, and just after the screen shows the words, “Three years later”, you see Saywer walking to pick a flower for Juliet. Right around that time, in the background just for a few seconds it looks like they show young Ben sitting on the bench all by himself.
Did anyone else notice this?