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		<title>By: Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>De-lurking to say: Doris Lessing!</description>
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		<title>By: courage the cowardly dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>courage the cowardly dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, my daughter is not quite a woman yet (she is 12), but she stands up for herself in ways I have not seen my sons or many men do.  No job or challenge has any gender association to it.  She wants to try out for the football team her brother who is 17 months older than plays.  I have not discouraged her, but the thought of it makes me nervous, she is not big like her brother.  She plays soccer and we have reached a compromise she going to try to be the team&#039;s placekicker.  I guess a defining moment for her occurred recently.  The school she attends specializes in teaching to kids with learning impairments.  She is dyslexic.  Now for whatever reason there are very few girls in the school and she is in fact one of only 2 girls in her class of 12.  As a consequence she and her girlfriend are the virtual constant recipients of teasing and verbal abuse by the boys.  She apparently has reported this to her mother who has told her to let a teacher know when this occurs, but she won&#039;t because doesn&#039;t want to appear like &quot;a rat&quot;.  My wife has complained to the school on her behalf, but apparently it was a problem that was not subsiding, until recently.  She and her friend were on the recess playground huddled off to the side chatting when 3 boys came over and started calling her and her friend names and calling them wimpy girls and fat etc.  When one of boys approached more closely my daughter and her friend grabbed one sleeve each of his hoodie sweatshirt which was large on him and tied him to a pole and commenced to kick him.  One of those kicks landed in the boys croch.  Of course, I did not condone this behaviour and she was duly punished, but I did point out to the shcool that that the incident was the result of their failure to reign in these boys.  This incident occurred about 2 months ago and I recently asked her if things had gotten better for her and whether the boys teasing had subsided and she said it had.  But I reinforced the notion that there were more constructive and peaceful means of solving problems and she responded, &quot;Yeah, but sometimes you just have to kick&#039;em in the balls to get their attention.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, my daughter is not quite a woman yet (she is 12), but she stands up for herself in ways I have not seen my sons or many men do.  No job or challenge has any gender association to it.  She wants to try out for the football team her brother who is 17 months older than plays.  I have not discouraged her, but the thought of it makes me nervous, she is not big like her brother.  She plays soccer and we have reached a compromise she going to try to be the team&#8217;s placekicker.  I guess a defining moment for her occurred recently.  The school she attends specializes in teaching to kids with learning impairments.  She is dyslexic.  Now for whatever reason there are very few girls in the school and she is in fact one of only 2 girls in her class of 12.  As a consequence she and her girlfriend are the virtual constant recipients of teasing and verbal abuse by the boys.  She apparently has reported this to her mother who has told her to let a teacher know when this occurs, but she won&#8217;t because doesn&#8217;t want to appear like &#8220;a rat&#8221;.  My wife has complained to the school on her behalf, but apparently it was a problem that was not subsiding, until recently.  She and her friend were on the recess playground huddled off to the side chatting when 3 boys came over and started calling her and her friend names and calling them wimpy girls and fat etc.  When one of boys approached more closely my daughter and her friend grabbed one sleeve each of his hoodie sweatshirt which was large on him and tied him to a pole and commenced to kick him.  One of those kicks landed in the boys croch.  Of course, I did not condone this behaviour and she was duly punished, but I did point out to the shcool that that the incident was the result of their failure to reign in these boys.  This incident occurred about 2 months ago and I recently asked her if things had gotten better for her and whether the boys teasing had subsided and she said it had.  But I reinforced the notion that there were more constructive and peaceful means of solving problems and she responded, &#8220;Yeah, but sometimes you just have to kick&#8217;em in the balls to get their attention.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kelsey Jarboe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelsey Jarboe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephie Coontz, author and teacher
Sarah Haskins of target women&lt;3
Nina Simone
Twisty Faster, blogger
Amanda Palmer is pretty cool
Sargent Mel at my college&#039;s public safety, the only one who really cares about the safety of student and the only one who takes women&#039;s voices seriously &lt;3&lt;3
Some of my friends...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephie Coontz, author and teacher<br />
Sarah Haskins of target women&lt;3<br />
Nina Simone<br />
Twisty Faster, blogger<br />
Amanda Palmer is pretty cool<br />
Sargent Mel at my college&#8217;s public safety, the only one who really cares about the safety of student and the only one who takes women&#8217;s voices seriously &lt;3&lt;3<br />
Some of my friends&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: exholt</title>
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		<dc:creator>exholt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwon_Ki-ok&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kwon Ki-Ok&lt;/a&gt; First Korean female aviator and first female pilot in China.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiu_Jin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Qiu Jin&lt;/a&gt; Anti-Qing revolutionary who was executed after a failed uprising which foreshadowed the 1911 Revolution which toppled the Qing Dynasty.

Ada Lovelace First computer programmer.


As for some of the choices named above: 

Queen Victoria was widely known for being against Woman&#039;s Suffrage from her publicly disparaging comments against activists advocating for it.  

Tzu Hsi/Cixi - While much of Chinese historiographical criticism was Patriarchal and failed to account for the fact she was subjected to the constraints of Western/Japanese colonialist demands and an increasingly moribund government, the highly negative assessments aren&#039;t totally groundless.  

For instance, she lead the reactionary counter-revolution in 1898 which crushed the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Days_of_Reform&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;100 days of Reform&lt;/a&gt; under the Guangxu emperor and his reform-minded ministers.  Many Chinese historians have argued that if these reforms were not impeded as they were at the time, that China had a good chance of evolving into a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary democracy and thus, avoided several calamitous civil wars and further colonialist depredations because of China&#039;s internal chaos, poverty, and lack of effective power to resist colonialist encroachments/demands.  

By the time Cixi and her ministers realized that institutional reform was necessary in the aftermath of the Boxer Rebellion, it was already too late as many Chinese had already felt the Qing Dynasty was too moribund and corrupted to be redeemed by &quot;too little, too late&quot; reforms.  A reason for the increasing popularity of Anti-Qing revolutionary movements during the late 19th/early 20th centuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwon_Ki-ok" rel="nofollow">Kwon Ki-Ok</a> First Korean female aviator and first female pilot in China.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiu_Jin" rel="nofollow">Qiu Jin</a> Anti-Qing revolutionary who was executed after a failed uprising which foreshadowed the 1911 Revolution which toppled the Qing Dynasty.</p>
<p>Ada Lovelace First computer programmer.</p>
<p>As for some of the choices named above: </p>
<p>Queen Victoria was widely known for being against Woman&#8217;s Suffrage from her publicly disparaging comments against activists advocating for it.  </p>
<p>Tzu Hsi/Cixi &#8211; While much of Chinese historiographical criticism was Patriarchal and failed to account for the fact she was subjected to the constraints of Western/Japanese colonialist demands and an increasingly moribund government, the highly negative assessments aren&#8217;t totally groundless.  </p>
<p>For instance, she lead the reactionary counter-revolution in 1898 which crushed the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Days_of_Reform" rel="nofollow">100 days of Reform</a> under the Guangxu emperor and his reform-minded ministers.  Many Chinese historians have argued that if these reforms were not impeded as they were at the time, that China had a good chance of evolving into a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary democracy and thus, avoided several calamitous civil wars and further colonialist depredations because of China&#8217;s internal chaos, poverty, and lack of effective power to resist colonialist encroachments/demands.  </p>
<p>By the time Cixi and her ministers realized that institutional reform was necessary in the aftermath of the Boxer Rebellion, it was already too late as many Chinese had already felt the Qing Dynasty was too moribund and corrupted to be redeemed by &#8220;too little, too late&#8221; reforms.  A reason for the increasing popularity of Anti-Qing revolutionary movements during the late 19th/early 20th centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Froufrou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Froufrou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simone Veil (French minister who made abortion possible)
Eleanor of Aquitaine
Elizabeth I
Wu Zhe Tian
Wei Hui (chinese author)
Tzu Hsi(last empress of China)
Matilda of Flanders (wife of William the Conqueror)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simone Veil (French minister who made abortion possible)<br />
Eleanor of Aquitaine<br />
Elizabeth I<br />
Wu Zhe Tian<br />
Wei Hui (chinese author)<br />
Tzu Hsi(last empress of China)<br />
Matilda of Flanders (wife of William the Conqueror)</p>
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		<title>By: Jone Johnson Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jone Johnson Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the comment about 9,000,000 hits on searches for Hai Bà Trưng vs. the Trung Sisters -- the list also isn&#039;t about how often they are mentioned in published articles on the web, but how many searches there are for the information.  Which women are drawing interest from the general public?

As one source of such search info, try http://www.google.com/trends for &quot;Madonna&quot; and &quot;Elizabeth Cady Stanton&quot; and &quot;Hai Bà Trưng&quot; and &quot;Trung sisters&quot; and &quot;Marie Curie&quot; and &quot;Ada Lovelace&quot; (as just a few examples) or any of the other women you&#039;re interested in.

The lack of mention of some of our favorites is a sign that fewer people know about them and look them up.  Talking about them (online and in educational publications and the media) will help with that, but it&#039;s still likely that more will be looking up celebrities and those who are included in history standards and those who get movies made about them.

In that context, I&#039;m thrilled that women like Mother Jones, Anne Bradstreet,  Anais Nin, Harriet Tubman, and Helen Keller made it as high on the list as they did!

For those who want to see the whole list at once, here&#039;s a tip:  Use the &quot;Print&quot; icon near the upper right of the page, and you&#039;ll get a page with all 100 listed in (reverse) sequence.  If you don&#039;t really want to print it, you can cancel the printer dialog that pops up automatically, and just read it in that sequence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the comment about 9,000,000 hits on searches for Hai Bà Trưng vs. the Trung Sisters &#8212; the list also isn&#8217;t about how often they are mentioned in published articles on the web, but how many searches there are for the information.  Which women are drawing interest from the general public?</p>
<p>As one source of such search info, try <a href="http://www.google.com/trends" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/trends</a> for &#8220;Madonna&#8221; and &#8220;Elizabeth Cady Stanton&#8221; and &#8220;Hai Bà Trưng&#8221; and &#8220;Trung sisters&#8221; and &#8220;Marie Curie&#8221; and &#8220;Ada Lovelace&#8221; (as just a few examples) or any of the other women you&#8217;re interested in.</p>
<p>The lack of mention of some of our favorites is a sign that fewer people know about them and look them up.  Talking about them (online and in educational publications and the media) will help with that, but it&#8217;s still likely that more will be looking up celebrities and those who are included in history standards and those who get movies made about them.</p>
<p>In that context, I&#8217;m thrilled that women like Mother Jones, Anne Bradstreet,  Anais Nin, Harriet Tubman, and Helen Keller made it as high on the list as they did!</p>
<p>For those who want to see the whole list at once, here&#8217;s a tip:  Use the &#8220;Print&#8221; icon near the upper right of the page, and you&#8217;ll get a page with all 100 listed in (reverse) sequence.  If you don&#8217;t really want to print it, you can cancel the printer dialog that pops up automatically, and just read it in that sequence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristjan Wager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristjan Wager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d add &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_I_of_Denmark&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Queen Margrethe I&lt;/a&gt;, who unified Denmark, Norway, and Sweden while being the regent of her son (who died before taking the throne). 

I presume she is on the list, but Marie Curie should be on it. Twice winning the Nobel Prize is quite an achievement.

Aung San Suu Kyi should also be on the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d add <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_I_of_Denmark" rel="nofollow">Queen Margrethe I</a>, who unified Denmark, Norway, and Sweden while being the regent of her son (who died before taking the throne). </p>
<p>I presume she is on the list, but Marie Curie should be on it. Twice winning the Nobel Prize is quite an achievement.</p>
<p>Aung San Suu Kyi should also be on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d add Camille Claudel. She was a highly gifted and misunderstood French sculptor.</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression that this was a list of women who were &quot;important&quot; (however you want to define that) in terms of history, politics, science, the arts, etc.  A feminist role model list would presumably be different, and far more contestable.  I included an anti-feminist, Catharine Beecher, on my list because she was an extremely influential woman in her day even though her ideas about women are deplorable.  And when some of the ancient/medieval women rulers on the lists were despotic rulers, I find it hard to get worked up over Golda Meir or Margaret Thatcher.  I know commentators were disappointed at the dearth of Asian women on this list and one influential woman I thought of was Jiang Qing, Mao&#039;s wife.  She wielded considerable political influence in engineering the Cultural Revolution, which biographers of Mao and Chinese historians often omit or leave out.  Though her political influence had tragic effects, she is still a notable figure in modern history.  I&#039;m uncomfortable in limiting such a list to &quot;good&quot; women who did &quot;good&quot; feminist things.

Some other names:

Lucy Stone
Alice Paul
Carrie Chapman Catt
Dorothea Dix
Christine de Pizan
Margery Kempe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression that this was a list of women who were &#8220;important&#8221; (however you want to define that) in terms of history, politics, science, the arts, etc.  A feminist role model list would presumably be different, and far more contestable.  I included an anti-feminist, Catharine Beecher, on my list because she was an extremely influential woman in her day even though her ideas about women are deplorable.  And when some of the ancient/medieval women rulers on the lists were despotic rulers, I find it hard to get worked up over Golda Meir or Margaret Thatcher.  I know commentators were disappointed at the dearth of Asian women on this list and one influential woman I thought of was Jiang Qing, Mao&#8217;s wife.  She wielded considerable political influence in engineering the Cultural Revolution, which biographers of Mao and Chinese historians often omit or leave out.  Though her political influence had tragic effects, she is still a notable figure in modern history.  I&#8217;m uncomfortable in limiting such a list to &#8220;good&#8221; women who did &#8220;good&#8221; feminist things.</p>
<p>Some other names:</p>
<p>Lucy Stone<br />
Alice Paul<br />
Carrie Chapman Catt<br />
Dorothea Dix<br />
Christine de Pizan<br />
Margery Kempe</p>
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		<title>By: octogalore</title>
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		<dc:creator>octogalore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to be unoriginal and say Hillary Clinton.  She was on the About.com list but doesn&#039;t appear on anyone&#039;s favored list above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to be unoriginal and say Hillary Clinton.  She was on the About.com list but doesn&#8217;t appear on anyone&#8217;s favored list above.</p>
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