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		<title>By: More Feminists on Marriage (some Link Love) &#124; Small Strokes</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/11/bridezilla-really/#comment-277145</link>
		<dc:creator>More Feminists on Marriage (some Link Love) &#124; Small Strokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] flash #2: A woman&#8217;s wedding planning is not selfish.  Nothing wrong with knowing what you want.  In fact, I&#8217;m finding that makes planning a lot [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Name Game (and More Wedding Stuff!) &#124; Small Strokes</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/11/bridezilla-really/#comment-274525</link>
		<dc:creator>The Name Game (and More Wedding Stuff!) &#124; Small Strokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are several women out there (yea, I&#8217;ve done some feminist wedding research&#8230;) who say that changing their name never [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are several women out there (yea, I&#8217;ve done some feminist wedding research&#8230;) who say that changing their name never [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/11/bridezilla-really/#comment-231821</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TheLady: hear, hear. My mom&#039;s neighbors...well, they didn&#039;t get married and had six kids and she doesn&#039;t work. The guy has decided to dump her. Yeah, &quot;screwed&quot; doesn&#039;t even begin to describe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TheLady: hear, hear. My mom&#8217;s neighbors&#8230;well, they didn&#8217;t get married and had six kids and she doesn&#8217;t work. The guy has decided to dump her. Yeah, &#8220;screwed&#8221; doesn&#8217;t even begin to describe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/11/bridezilla-really/#comment-231460</link>
		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things that made the PhysioProf/PhysioWife wedding process really fun for everyone involved was the realization that what we really cared about was that our guests have a really fucking good time. Taking the focus off self-aggrandizement was a really healthy thing to do, and enabled us to have a really good time too.

When we did the stupid little cake-cutting-feed-each-other dealio, all of the guests were so busy shaking their asses on the dance floor that no one paid any attention to our &quot;big moment&quot;, and we were just really happy that everyone was drunk off their fucking asses and having fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that made the PhysioProf/PhysioWife wedding process really fun for everyone involved was the realization that what we really cared about was that our guests have a really fucking good time. Taking the focus off self-aggrandizement was a really healthy thing to do, and enabled us to have a really good time too.</p>
<p>When we did the stupid little cake-cutting-feed-each-other dealio, all of the guests were so busy shaking their asses on the dance floor that no one paid any attention to our &#8220;big moment&#8221;, and we were just really happy that everyone was drunk off their fucking asses and having fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/11/bridezilla-really/#comment-231368</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been planning my little feminist wedding of around 25 people, and even though I&#039;ve had full support from my family about keeping god, gender biased language and the objectification of yours truly out of it, my fiancé&#039;s family has been nothing but horrible.  Making up excuses  not to come, things like &quot;I&#039;ll be breast feeding that weekend&quot; or &quot;I might need to baby sit some other kids.&quot;  shit like that.  If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn&#039;t give them a wedding to use as a weapon in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been planning my little feminist wedding of around 25 people, and even though I&#8217;ve had full support from my family about keeping god, gender biased language and the objectification of yours truly out of it, my fiancé&#8217;s family has been nothing but horrible.  Making up excuses  not to come, things like &#8220;I&#8217;ll be breast feeding that weekend&#8221; or &#8220;I might need to baby sit some other kids.&#8221;  shit like that.  If I had to do it all over again, I wouldn&#8217;t give them a wedding to use as a weapon in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLady</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/11/bridezilla-really/#comment-231262</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Isn’t the entire institution of marriage misogynist?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep.

&lt;blockquote&gt;How can marriage even be defended in a feminist worldview?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Marriage is the only currenlty available mechanism for spreading some of the financial love onto mothers.


Men earn more than women; that&#039;s a given.


Women don&#039;t get paid anything for the toil and care of motherhood; another given.


There are no acceptable and sufficient provisions for childcare outside the home: given.


So the only viable option for a woman to raise her children out of poverty is to tie her financial future to a man, whether she is able to work or not; it is virtually impossible to bring up a family on one part time salary anyway, but chances are that when the children are very young she won&#039;t be able to go to work anyway because that would involve essentially abandoning them.


However if the relationship breaks down and the man&#039;s income is no longer available to her and her children, she&#039;s stuffed - *except* is she was legally married to him.


In that case the state will make at least  nominal attempt to force the man to continue supporting his children and keep them out of, as it were, the workhouse. Unmarried mothers, however, have no legal recourse whatsoever in these circumstances.


Feminism isn&#039;t all about overthrowing old traditions. It&#039;s also about protecting women and girls. And the insitution of marriage, while abhorrent it in principle as a legalised form of domestic servitude bordering on prostitution, is a necessary evil to protect mothers from the full impact of the fact that the state takes no responsibility for them whatsoever while expecting them to unilaterally make immense sacrifice in order to continue populating the tax paying classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Isn’t the entire institution of marriage misogynist?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep.</p>
<blockquote><p>How can marriage even be defended in a feminist worldview?</p></blockquote>
<p>Marriage is the only currenlty available mechanism for spreading some of the financial love onto mothers.</p>
<p>Men earn more than women; that&#8217;s a given.</p>
<p>Women don&#8217;t get paid anything for the toil and care of motherhood; another given.</p>
<p>There are no acceptable and sufficient provisions for childcare outside the home: given.</p>
<p>So the only viable option for a woman to raise her children out of poverty is to tie her financial future to a man, whether she is able to work or not; it is virtually impossible to bring up a family on one part time salary anyway, but chances are that when the children are very young she won&#8217;t be able to go to work anyway because that would involve essentially abandoning them.</p>
<p>However if the relationship breaks down and the man&#8217;s income is no longer available to her and her children, she&#8217;s stuffed &#8211; *except* is she was legally married to him.</p>
<p>In that case the state will make at least  nominal attempt to force the man to continue supporting his children and keep them out of, as it were, the workhouse. Unmarried mothers, however, have no legal recourse whatsoever in these circumstances.</p>
<p>Feminism isn&#8217;t all about overthrowing old traditions. It&#8217;s also about protecting women and girls. And the insitution of marriage, while abhorrent it in principle as a legalised form of domestic servitude bordering on prostitution, is a necessary evil to protect mothers from the full impact of the fact that the state takes no responsibility for them whatsoever while expecting them to unilaterally make immense sacrifice in order to continue populating the tax paying classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Goth</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/11/bridezilla-really/#comment-231248</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Goth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add my two penneth worth.  Do your own thing,  have enough to make the wedding legal, then add the bits that will make it meaningful for you both then as then as far as the budget will stretch have the kick ass party/honeymoon/deposit for a house that you want.  

However within that do your own thing don&#039;t get too wound up about the less relevant details.  

As both my husband and I are atheists there was no way we would get married in a church so having a civil ceremony was important to us.  We omitted the statement that marriage was an institution between man and woman because we believe that it should be open to all adults no matter what their sexual orientation and there were a few other things that we were firm on having. 

For things that were less important we were quite happy to compromise, especially if the goods/services were being provided by family and friends, the wedding cake I didn&#039;t really care.  I would have quite liked having a carrot cake or sponge but my mum who was making the cake had the final call and make a spicy fruit cake instead.  I could have insisted but it didn&#039;t seem worth the hassle for something that I wasn&#039;t too fussed about.  It was still stressful but it cost a lot less than many weddings both in financial terms and in sleepless nights.

Our wedding was wonderful even the dreadful dj made the evening for some people.  He is the only thing I would change from the day if I could re-run it.  

We were lucky in that our parents were all very laid back about our plans they didn&#039;t insist that we do anything because it was tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add my two penneth worth.  Do your own thing,  have enough to make the wedding legal, then add the bits that will make it meaningful for you both then as then as far as the budget will stretch have the kick ass party/honeymoon/deposit for a house that you want.  </p>
<p>However within that do your own thing don&#8217;t get too wound up about the less relevant details.  </p>
<p>As both my husband and I are atheists there was no way we would get married in a church so having a civil ceremony was important to us.  We omitted the statement that marriage was an institution between man and woman because we believe that it should be open to all adults no matter what their sexual orientation and there were a few other things that we were firm on having. </p>
<p>For things that were less important we were quite happy to compromise, especially if the goods/services were being provided by family and friends, the wedding cake I didn&#8217;t really care.  I would have quite liked having a carrot cake or sponge but my mum who was making the cake had the final call and make a spicy fruit cake instead.  I could have insisted but it didn&#8217;t seem worth the hassle for something that I wasn&#8217;t too fussed about.  It was still stressful but it cost a lot less than many weddings both in financial terms and in sleepless nights.</p>
<p>Our wedding was wonderful even the dreadful dj made the evening for some people.  He is the only thing I would change from the day if I could re-run it.  </p>
<p>We were lucky in that our parents were all very laid back about our plans they didn&#8217;t insist that we do anything because it was tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Psycho</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/11/bridezilla-really/#comment-231236</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Psycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding name changes, I think &quot;Valenti&quot; would make a kick-ass first name, or maybe &quot;Valentina&quot;.

Certainly, if I felt I needed to shed one of my names for the sake of conciseness or whatever, I&#039;d drop &quot;Jessica&quot; by preference.

Just a thought, and just my thought, but hey....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding name changes, I think &#8220;Valenti&#8221; would make a kick-ass first name, or maybe &#8220;Valentina&#8221;.</p>
<p>Certainly, if I felt I needed to shed one of my names for the sake of conciseness or whatever, I&#8217;d drop &#8220;Jessica&#8221; by preference.</p>
<p>Just a thought, and just my thought, but hey&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Opoponax</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/11/bridezilla-really/#comment-231191</link>
		<dc:creator>The Opoponax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They perceive political concerns like marriage equality, or the sexism of traditional rituals, as being “pushed onto” individuals (them) by some kind of political orthodoxy machine that nobody could really believe in — because what people REALLY want and believe in is something traditional.&lt;/i&gt;

This is an interesting point.  It&#039;s as if there are two choices: Bee-weeeve in stuff, the only option for which is 100% lock stock tradition, or be jaded and above it all and believe in nothing but some kind of Randian narcissistic self-interest.  This isn&#039;t limited to the commentariat at Ace of Spades, either.  I think it&#039;s something that happens across various &quot;rebellious&quot; sectors of patriarchal culture .  I know it&#039;s something I myself battled with when I was younger and trying to figure things out. 

The great thing about this false dichotomy from a patriarchal perspective is that it renders invisible the very real alternatives that exist, resulting in a mentality like that quote from Ace about how Jessica couldn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;possibly&lt;/i&gt; believe in any of that feminist garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They perceive political concerns like marriage equality, or the sexism of traditional rituals, as being “pushed onto” individuals (them) by some kind of political orthodoxy machine that nobody could really believe in — because what people REALLY want and believe in is something traditional.</i></p>
<p>This is an interesting point.  It&#8217;s as if there are two choices: Bee-weeeve in stuff, the only option for which is 100% lock stock tradition, or be jaded and above it all and believe in nothing but some kind of Randian narcissistic self-interest.  This isn&#8217;t limited to the commentariat at Ace of Spades, either.  I think it&#8217;s something that happens across various &#8220;rebellious&#8221; sectors of patriarchal culture .  I know it&#8217;s something I myself battled with when I was younger and trying to figure things out. </p>
<p>The great thing about this false dichotomy from a patriarchal perspective is that it renders invisible the very real alternatives that exist, resulting in a mentality like that quote from Ace about how Jessica couldn&#8217;t <i>possibly</i> believe in any of that feminist garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: ahunt</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/11/bridezilla-really/#comment-231174</link>
		<dc:creator>ahunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late to the game here...but of all the petty, mean-spirited, offensive, hypocritical drivel spewing from right wing conservative commentators...the Ass of Spades crowd is unrivaled. There is simply no excuse .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the game here&#8230;but of all the petty, mean-spirited, offensive, hypocritical drivel spewing from right wing conservative commentators&#8230;the Ass of Spades crowd is unrivaled. There is simply no excuse .</p>
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