Spoilers below!
A lot of stuff happened in this episode, and for ease of reading will be in a slightly different order than how the episode itself unfolded. So hold on tight.
Namaste opens up on the Ajira flight that brought our Oceanic 5 back to the island. Everyone sits nervously in first class like “hey, so it’s weird all being back on a plane together, and knowing that it’s going to crash this time, huh?” Meanwhile, Lapidus’ copilot initiates an ironic conversation about how Hurley is a member of the Oceanic 6, and how at least it’s very unlikely he would be on a plane to crash in the same location twice. Unlikely, alright! So unlikely that at just that very moment, they hit turbulence. Then the white flash comes, zapping Hurley, Jack, Kate — and now we know, Sayid — back into 1977, and zapping the rest of the plane into somewhere that it’s daytime. Lapidus manages to safely land the plane on the Others’ runway. Well, safely enough that everyone except his copilot, who got impaled with a large tree, seems to live.
Lapidus runs to the back of the plane to see if everyone is okay. Sun is. They try to figure out where the other Losties are, and Ben comes up from behind them saying “well clearly they’re gone, huh?” Indeed they are.
Back in 1977, we see Sawyer reunite with Jack, Kate and Hurley. Take notice of the fact that Hurley is “Kong,” Jack is still “Doc,” but Kate is suddenly Kate again, not “Freckles.” Well at least he seems to have intentions to stay faithful to Juliet. They get to have the awkward conversation about why Sawyer and Jin are in Dharma jumpsuits. Sawyer angrily asks Jin why he didn’t tell them, and Jin basically said “haha Mr. LEADER, that can be your job.” So Sawyer tells them that they’re back in 1977, and the people still alive from when the Oceanic 6 left are working for Dharma. Jack, Kate and Hurley take this surprisingly well. Since, you know, this is the show where people remain unconcerned about the most ridiculous things.
Except for when Jack says that Sun was also on the plane with them. Then Jin is very concerned indeed, and rushes off to go find Radzinsky, who would know where the crashed plane is. Radzinsky? You mean, Kelvin’s ex-Swan Station buddy who ended up a blood splatter on the ceiling? Seemingly so.
Sawyer rushes home to get realistic 70s attire for Jack, Kate and Hurley, since this is obviously the most pressing concern. He tells Juliet what is going on, and after getting over her shock, she explains that a submarine full of new recruits are coming in very soon. Meaning that they can pretend those three were on it. Sawyer goes with the plan, and after Jack impotently tries to protest that they need to find the rest of the plane, they go with Sawyer — seeing as how he’s now in charge.
Meanwhile, Jin goes to see Radzinsky at the Flame. Radzinsky is in the middle of building a model for the Swan Station, which is still being constructed. Interesting. But Jin demands to know whether or not a plane crashed on the island, and after resorting to violence, he gets Radzinsky to agree. No plane found, but a hostile does enter the perimeter! Oh no!
Jin, realizing that it could be Sun, rushes out frantically looking for whoever has entered the perimeter. Instead, he finds Sayid, wandering around still in his handcuffs. They have an exchange that goes something like this:
Jin: Sayid????
Sayid: Jin?????
Together: OMG WTF, it’s so good to see you man, how have you been! So much catching up to do!
Jin: Have you seen Sun?
Sayid: No, I am deeply sorry to say that I have not.
(Radzinsky appears from out in the jungle)
Jin: GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES HOSTILE OR I WILL KILL YOU RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.
Sayid: GOD, I’M SORRY I DON’T KNOW WHERE SUN IS. Take things personal, much?
Meanwhile, back in more modern times, the Ajira people are standing around figuring out what to do. Lapidus tries to take a leadership role, saying that the radio is broken, but someone will figure out where they are soon. (Ha!) Cesar jumps in, demanding to know where they are, and saying that there’s another island visible in the distance, that there are animal cages and buildings out in the jungle, and basically asserting that he’s going to be the real boss around here like a major JACK-ass.
As this conversation goes on, Ben starts wandering out into the jungle, and Sun follows him. When she catches up, Ben says that he’s going back to “our” island, and asks Sun if she wants to come with. She reluctantly agrees. But Lapidus catches up, and tries repeatedly to talk Sun out of it. As they arrive at the boats, Ben swivels around to tell off Lapidus with something about how he has a plan, and here’s what he’s going to do, and here’s why it’s a great idea. So, like a major badass, Sun lifts up a boat paddle and whacks him upside the head from behind, knocking him unconscious. She out Ben-ed him! Seriously folks, don’t fuck with Sun. Remember when she also killed that woman who was stupid enough to talk to her in a patronizing tone while she was holding a gun? Sun doesn’t play around.
Back to 1977, Juliet is checking on Amy, who just had her baby — but is really just stealing the submarine manifest from her. Juliet asks Amy if they’ve decided what to name the baby yet, and Amy smiles and says “Ethan.” As my husband said: Kill it! Kill it now!
Juliet doesn’t have time to kill babies who will eventually grow into evil adults, though, because she’s got a manifest to “update.” Sawyer dumps Jack, Kate and Hurley in with the new recruits, tells them to act doped up and rest assured that no one will know they weren’t on the sub, because everyone was unconscious for the whole ride. They proceed to orientation, where Jack gets the wonderful job of being a janitor from Dr. Candle — I swear that Sawyer did that on purpose — and Kate gets rescued from having to answer difficult questions when Juliet arrives just in time.
Sawyer can’t be around to help out, because he has to deal with the “hostile” that Jin and Radzinsky captured, and Radzinsky won’t leave them alone. Sawyer demands that Sayid identifies himself as a hostile, “reminding” him that this is a requirement of the truce, and Sayid busts out with some really clever shit, saying “well, we do not call ourselves hostiles. But yes, I am one of them.” Sawyer then takes Sayid prisoner, having little other choice. As he is escorted past Jack, Kate and Hurley at their orientation and welcoming ceremony, he gets a look on his face that says “wait a minute! They get hamburgers, and cookies, and koolaid, and leis, and cool 70s clothes!!! And I just get this crappy gun held to my head??? Not fair!” Jack, Kate and Hurley look back at him like “yeah, that sucks for you”
Back to Sun and Frank, they arrive at Dharma Central, but find it abandoned. Just as they are about to turn around and go back to the little work island, Christian appears in one of the homes. Seeming unfazed by this, they ask if he knows where Jin is. Christian says “yeah, I know alright,” and displaying an old photograph of the 1977 recruits (including Jack, Kate and Hurley), explains that he’s back in time. Sun looks vaguely shocked and Christian explains that she has “a long journey ahead” of her.
Jack goes to see Sawyer and discuss what the hell they’re going to do about poor locked up Sayid. He knocks on Sawyer’s door, and Juliet answers. And they have an awkward moment where Jack is basically like “Sooo . . . you and Sawyer, huh? That’s nice for you. Remember that time we made out, even though I was really in love with Kate? That was cool. This is more awkward than it really should be, isn’t it?” And Juliet said “Nope! This isn’t awkward for me at all, you’re just being really weird. Come in!”
Then Sawyer and Jack have a really good interaction, where Sawyer lets Jack know that a) he was a really crappy leader who didn’t think things through and got everyone killed and b) he’s in charge now anyway, so get out of his damn house so he can think and save Sayid. Jack doesn’t take this particularly well, but leaves anyway. As Sawyer angrily escorts him out, he sees Kate standing on a porch adjacent to his own house. He waves like “Oh, hey. So me and Juliet. That’s nice for us. Remember that time when we were in love and had sex a lot, even though you were also kind of in love with Jack just a little bit? That was cool. This is about as awkward as it should be, isn’t it?” And Kate waved back like “yup.”
Finally, as the episode comes to a close, we see a boy, probably around the age of 13 (?) go to deliver a sandwich to Sayid. He’s very polite, telling Sayid that he can get him some mustard if he likes. Sayid thanks him and declines, and then gives him a suspicious look, asking what his name is. The kid says: “oh, me? I’m MINI-BEN!” And Sayid said: “WTF? Am I living in the 70s? And don’t you grow up to be evil?” And my husband said: “Kill it! Kill it now!”
Whew. I told you that was a lot of shit.
QUESTIONS: Why is Sun in the present? I cannot come up with a compelling reason why she would not have also been zapped back into the past. And what does Christian mean by “you’ve got a long journey ahead of you”? Is there a way for them (or just Sun) to go back? Wouldn’t it make sense to just try to get the others back to the present instead?
Why did the plane go somewhere that it’s daytime? Did the rest of them travel in time, too? Are they in the future somewhere (since we know they’re not in the past)? Is it just the fact that “time travels differently” on the island? Seriously, what was that?
Why do people always get doped up coming to and from the island? We know that Alpert did this to Juliet, but it seems that it was Dharma practice as well. So what’s the deal?
What happened to Faraday? When Jack asked if Faraday was still with them, Sawyer said “not anymore.” So, what the hell? We know, as we saw in the first episode of this season, that he was helping to build the Swan Station. What happened? Did he die somehow? Join the hostiles? And is he coming back? Because while I really do dig Miles, Faraday is my favorite of the freighter people.
Why does Sayid look more like he needs a shower than when he was living on a desert island for months on end? Why did he shave the beard, despite how hot it made him look? What are Jack, Kate and Hurley going to do for clothes when they’re not wearing Dharma jumpsuits, and how will they explain their lack of luggage? Is Jin going to have a nervous breakdown if he can’t find Sun soon? Is Lapidus ever going to clean the blood off his head?
Questions, questions, questions! Leave your answers in the comments.
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“Why does Sayid look more like he needs a shower than when he was living on a desert island for months on end? Why did he shave the beard, despite how hot it made him look? ”
Great question: and WHY is he already wearing what looks like a 70s purple polyester shirt a la Prince? Poor Sayid: in jail, in cuffs, hanging with mini-Ben, and wearing the worst of the 70s clothes! (At least Kate got the cool hippy shirt!).
LMAO.
I wasn’t even going to go there with the shirt, but now that you have, I certainly cannot disagree.
“Why is Sun in the present? I cannot come up with a compelling reason why she would not have also been zapped back into the past. And what does Christian mean by “you’ve got a long journey ahead of you”? Is there a way for them (or just Sun) to go back? Wouldn’t it make sense to just try to get the others to get back to the present instead?”
The best theory I have heard? She is not pregnant anymore, as she was when she left the island. Everyone else is pretty much “as they were”.
“Why did the plane go somewhere that it’s daytime? Did the rest of them travel in time, too? Are they in the future somewhere (since we know they’re not in the past)? Is it just the fact that “time travels differently” on the island? Seriously, what was that?”
They went through a window in time, the one Faraday’s mother referred to.
“Is Lapidus ever going to clean the blood off his head?”
No way! Frank’s a bad-ass. :)
Huh? Why am I not remembering this? I’m thinking back to the conversation with Eloise, she talks about how the island moves, how they can calculate where it will be, and how you have to get all the factors just right to get there . . . but I’m not remembering anything about a window in time.
“Why is Sun in the present?”
I think that its because she was holding onto Jin’s ring on the plane. John Locke, Ben and the ring all go through the wagon wheel gateway thingy under the Orchid and they all end up in the present. If Sun hadn’t held the ring, I think she would be in the past with the other Losties.
I thought Sun got pregnant on the island, due to the incredible fertility-restoring effect it had on Jin. Or am I remembering that wrong?
I thought Sun got pregnant on the island, due to the incredible fertility-restoring effect it had on Jin. Or am I remembering that wrong?
That’s what I thought, too.
You’re right. Sun got pregnant ON the island, which is why she was so happy, because that means it was Jins (from the powers of the island, of course)
It also meant that they both knew she had to get OFF the island because, as Juliette kept telling everyone every chance she could get, pregant women don’t survive on the island.
Pre-returning in the 70′s of course, as we just saw Amy give birth to Evil Ethan these last 2 episodes.
“Huh? Why am I not remembering this? I’m thinking back to the conversation with Eloise, she talks about how the island moves, how they can calculate where it will be, and how you have to get all the factors just right to get there . . . but I’m not remembering anything about a window in time.”
I am presuming this relates to the “time moving differently”-when they moved through that “window” to reach the island, it was daytime at the island. Plus, daylight makes it easier to see the runway. :)
“I thought Sun got pregnant on the island, due to the incredible fertility-restoring effect it had on Jin. Or am I remembering that wrong?”
There is a theory that Juliette lied and Sun was pregnant by the guy she was having an affair with. I don’t subscribe to that. When Sun left the island, she was still pregnant. When she came back, she was not pregnant any longer. I did see a theory that her daughter is her constant-which kept her from being pulled through time.
Haha, good point. Those Others bastards didn’t install runway lighting, the jerks! (Then again, they also didn’t build a runway that was particularly long either)
Yeah, I don’t buy that either. It would require far too many lies re: Juliet being Sun’s doctor and trying to get her off the island, telling her when she had to do it by, etc. Although, if it’s true that men have a hugely higher sperm count on the island, there has been serious lack of pregnancies. I mean, it makes sense that Dharma would have contraception, but Kate and Sawyer sure didn’t seem to.
Yeah. Just neither of these is particularly convincing to me.
Okay, I have a theory, and it’s somewhat based on Superman. For those unfamiliar, Superman got his powers from the intensity of the Earth’s yellow sun. That’s what made him super. It could be argued that, with any more power, Superman would effectively implode from being so super. Anyway…
My theory goes like this: at some point between 1977 and 2006, the energy of the island changed and began to enhance or focus the super-humanizing energy of the island, which enabled infertile people to get pregnant, but has a side effect that causes something to happen between fetus and mother at some late stage of the pregnancy. The super-ness of the island may make the currently born heal faster, run faster, not lose weight despite severe rationing, and raise sperm count, but the combination of super-sperm and super-egg is too much for super-mom and ends up killing them both… much the same way that, if Lois got pregnant by Superman, “the kid would kick right through her stomach” to borrow a line from Mallrats.
I’m glad the show’s writers are admitting Jack was a bad leader. Jack had the brilliant idea to rescue Walt by leading Sawyer, Kate and Hurley into an ambush. That went as well as expected. Jack was obsessed with getting the Losties onto the freighter. BOOM.
The current time island looks bleak. Perhaps Widmore went round two with Richard.
I like Locke and Jack not being in the same time. Locke shines when Jack isn’t around. Jack doesn’t feel the need to compete for leadership. I’m sure that will change current Dharma Jack/Sawyer storyline.
I have never been a Kate fan. Is it me or the writers don’t know what to do with Kate post-Aaron? Kate has always rebeled against what people told her to do. Kate hates Jack and Locke. Why would she come back to the island? Kate would not come just to spite Jack and Locke. My take: Evageline Lilly is the female lead. The creators aren’t going to write her character out.
“in order to bang regular chicks, he’d have to use a kryptonite condom. But, of course, that would kill him.”
Sorry, unfeminist though it may be, Mallrats is one of my favorite movies ever. I could totally quote it all day.
Friends don’t let friends watch Kevin Smith movies and blog. Smith helped unleash the Affleck virus. Any movie with Ben Affleck in it will automatically suck.
Kate hates Jack?
That’s news to me, especially since they were living together and essentially raising Aaron after making off the island…
Oh, and the fact that they just slept together the night before getting back on the plane.
Yeah, Kate does not hate Jack.
I wish Kate and Jack would just go away, anyway.
I’m thinking Sun is in present day because she got pregnant on the island. Something to do with that, I’m not exactly sure what. That is the only obvious thing that differentiates her from the other Losties. Maybe the island was done with her?
OR
Could Sun be dead?
She could be dead, but I don’t think that’s it. It’d make everyone from the plane dead, and I’m not buying it.
I mean, in actuality, I think they just wanted someone in the present while the rest were in the past so that they could fuck around with it! Ha. But of course they have to come up with an explanation at some point. Or so we would assume.
when we saw daniel at the begining of the season, he was helping build the orchid, not the swan station ;)
For goodness sake stop with all the Jack hate!! Sawyer blaming him for all the deaths that happened was ridiculous-all Jack ever did was try and protect everyone and get them off the island. He did not want to be the leader-in fact he ran away from it, but it was Locke and Kate who told him that people were looking to him for leadership. He did the best he could in a situation where there were neither supplies, nor security and no one knoew what on earth was going on. Sawyer may be all smug and mighty in the comfort pf his own home, where he can sit and read and think, but can you imagine if Jack had done that on the beach? “Jack, Jack-Boone is dying!” “Hang on guys, nearly finished this chapter-tell him to hang on in the caves till then”. It’s not fair to blame Jack for how he handled things-he practically created a civilization on the beach finding food, water, creating shelter. In comparison Sawyer has had it pretty easy. Also Jack was in charge of 47 clueless people who didn’t know what was going on. By the time Sawyer is leader he has what 4 people (Juliet, Jin, Miles and Faraday) who are all pretty much aware of how wierd the island is. And just because Sawyer has become a good man now, all his past actions and troublemaking on the beach seem to be forgiven, yet every little mistake Jack made is thrown back at him, and no one lets him forget.
Huh. Are you sure? I was pretty much entirely positive that it was the Swan Station. But then I just thought about it, and realized that for some reason I thought that because they ran into that magnetic force. But I guess that there would be some kind of crazy ass force under the Orchid, too — probably even more so than Swan. And they did talk about time travel. Anyone got a confirmation on that?
Anon –
Obviously no, Jack could not sit around and wait while Boone was dying. But Sawyer didn’t sit around and wait and go back to sleep while Jack, Kate and Hurley showed up, nor did he say “hang on, I’m dealing with Jack, Kate and Hurley” while Sayid had a gun to his head. Not everything that Jack did was terrible, surely, but that doesn’t make him a good leader.
Further, if I had my pick of leaders on that island, I sure as hell wouldn’t have chosen either Jack or Sawyer. I would have chosen Sayid in a heartbeat. Sure, he’s a torturer and trained killer, and that makes him incredibly unsavory. But on the plus side, you’re living on an island with crazy people and no legal system, and he’s a torturer and trained killer. With hardcore survival training. Further, he’s always been incredibly loyal, unlike Sawyer, and he’s a million times smarter than Jack. The problem is that Jack was wrong all the fucking time. And a vast majority of the time, the person who was right? It wasn’t Sawyer, and it was Kate a lot of the time, but it was mainly, almost always Sayid. I can think of approximately one time that he was wrong (when he didn’t anticipate the Others trying to capture Sun on the boat). You can’t say that for either Sawyer or Jack.
Jack is and was best at being the doctor. Period.
The whole kill it, kill it now is exactly what I was thinking when I saw mini Ben. They know that he is evil. I also love the fact that Sun takes no prisoners. Good to see a kick ass woman in prime time.
“Jack is and was best at being the doctor. Period.”
Not according to his aptitude test. ;)
@cara:
yep, i’m sure. some worker was showing piere chang a scan of what was behind the wall they were trying to dig through, and you could see the frozen donkey wheel on it. and on his way back out he kinda ran into daniel. so the orchid it was.
lostpedia is your friend for all lost-related queries:
(taken from daniel faraday’s page)
“Daniel became a construction worker for the Initiative. He witnessed the early construction of the Orchid station, and passed Pierre Chang in an underground shaft there. (“Because You Left”)”
i wish i had known about this site before this season!
Ah, thanks Katrinaholloway. I apparently somehow missed the whole bit with the donkey wheel, by the way.
Re: “Pierre Chang” — how do we know that’s his real name? I always call him Dr. Candle (one of his aliases, the one you see most often), and don’t remember him ever being referred to as Pierre Chang, and couldn’t find anything on the lostpedia page about how they came to determine that this was his name.
Also, anyone remember how he introduced himself to Jack? I remember him saying Dr. Candle for some reason, but he remembers it was something different (though he can’t remember what).
Kate hates Jack?
That’s news to me, especially since they were living together and essentially raising Aaron after making off the island…
Oh, and the fact that they just slept together the night before getting back on the plane.
I think Kate wanted to get laid. Her attitude towards jack post-alcoholism has been contempt. However, the writers just might have wanted a sex scene. The Smoke Monster makes more sense than Kate’s story arch?
What is Kate angry at Locke for? Killing Naomi? The freighter people tried to kill Kate and Kate isn’t one to judge in the murder department.
I think the name Pierre Chang came from the Comic-Con video they mention at Lostpedia here: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pierre_Chang. They don’t directly quote it or seem to have the video up, but I think he said on it that that was his real name.
“I think Kate wanted to get laid. Her attitude towards jack post-alcoholism has been contempt. ”
Perhaps. But, I am also not ignoring them playing house either after they left the island. Or how she accepted his engagement ring, if I recall.
And, after his pill popping ways…ANYONE would have contempt but no, Kate does not hate Jack.
I find the debate over who hates whom (as in which characters are hated by viewers, not which characters hate other characters) interesting. It seems to me a point most viewers are missing when they take some serious standpoint pro or con toward a character (such as the pro-Jack/anti-Jack debate here) is that these characters are all very flawed…thus highlighting their utter humanity. I think all of the great time and effort the writers have spent crafting the backstories for each of these characters really highlights that fact. These people come from normal backgrounds (meaning, all too often, really screwed up) and as a result have a lot of issues themselves. But they are doing the best they know how, and learning constantly (if sometimes slowly.)
That’s one of the things I actually like most about this show…. The mixture of admirable vs. despicable, endearing vs annoying, pragmatic vs. hopeful, intelligent vs. bone-headed etc….There is a very true and natural seeming distribution of some very real human characteristics. These are all deeply flawed humans (as so many of us tend to be) trying their hardest to make it through life as best they know how. Sometimes they make great choices, sometimes they screw up monumentally…most of the time the outcome lies somewhere in the middle.
LOST has taken a random mixture of utterly human people and placed them in some really extraordinary circumstances…what we get to witness as viewers of this show is their humanity playing out under circumstances that have almost begun to feel normal, in spite of their extraordinariness.
I think that’s one of the reasons people respond with such visceral reactions to the characters…amazingly enough they are real people…and real people have the power to both inspire and to annoy the hell out of us just by being human…often enough both being done by the same individual. I feel that even in terms of the two characters that seem to be most reviled around these parts:
Jack annoys me constantly the way his bone-headedness gets in the way of his intelligence… But I have been many times amazed at his tenacity in tough situations and the fact that you can tell he REALLY cares…in fact, he probably cares too much.
Kate annoys me because she is wishy washy and indecisive…but she can also be a pretty kick-ass kinda girl when she puts her mind to it. She reminds me of so many of the women in my life that I love- precisely because of those characteristics- they infuriate me to now end sometimes, but sometimes they amaze me with their reserves of power and strength and know-how.
I could go on with similar sorts of thoughts on every other character… they’re just so human. (Even if the proportion of hot people to normal looking people is just a little skewed.)
All that being said, I’m with Cara. I would have voted for Sayid as leader. And he needs to grow the beard back!
Well, hey now. Kate at least had a good reason for her murder. And while, in the end, Locke was right about the freighter, that wasn’t Naomi’s fault. And we didn’t know that at the time. And he is a little crazy. And to be fair, I wouldn’t listen to him either. Oh, and remember how we went and joined the Others? You know, people who kept them hostage, tried to kill Sawyer, etc.?
And hey, I’m not anti-Jack, at least not as a general rule — just anti-Jack as leader of any group that I’m personally going to belong to! I agree that the characters being flawed is what makes them so interesting and worth watching.
Who’s reacting with visceral?
We have different opinions on here…mine mostly based on the little my brain actually allow me to see. Hell, if I had Teevo I would actually see alot more..with perhas other opinions.
Either which way…no one is missing anything about the characters being flawd, thereby exposing their humanity. We get it. But that doesnt means we have to like everybody on the show..:P
@ cara:
i’m not so sure why we’re assuming that pierre chang’s his real name. i think that’s how he introduced himself to jack in this week’s episode. oh! again in “because you left”, someone interrupts his shooting of a dharma orientation video & calls him dr chang, so it might be from that too.
Before John left the island through orchid a la Christian McCreepyPants and the Wheel of Time, he specifically promised Jin that he would not bring Sun back. My guess is that because Locke was so “pivotal” to the return of the oceanic six, his promise was somehow binding and Sun didn’t flash to 1977 with the rest of them.
Compass Rose, I think that you totally figured that one out.
Husband and I were just discussing. John did promise to bring everyone back but her. And that’s exactly what he did. (Well, okay, except Aaron, but no one seems to care much about that kid anyway, including Kate.) Everyone is back but Sun. Sun is also the only one who he didn’t go see. Meaning that Sun is the only person who tried to get back to the island without John’s help.
Seriously, pending an actual explanation on the show, I think that’s it.
At first I thought Compass Rose was right, too, but Cara, I think you just pulled one of the great rhetorical “hey! look over there!” moments of all time. If the island is such a pedant that Sun wasn’t allowed to flash back to 1977 because of a promise Locke made, surely Aaron does in fact spoil Compass Rose’s otherwise excellent theory.
Unless the reason that Kate didn’t want Jack to ask her about Aaron ever again is that she ate him.
But do any of us really, honestly think that when talking about “everyone” they were talking about the baby? Other than the fact that no one still living has a relationship with the kid, the island doesn’t seem to want anything with him. He’s the one kid on the show that the Others didn’t try to take (remember, that was Rousseau), and who the island doesn’t seem to have much of a plan for. Also, Locke didn’t exactly go and see Aaron either.
I think the theory still stands.
Sure they did. Claire woke up in the middle of the night screaming because someone stuck her in her belly with a needle. They kidnapped her to one of the stations and did tests that she couldn’t quit remember, which they eventually found later all fixed up with a baby room.
They were PLANNING in taking her baby but if I recall, Ethan tried to kill Charlie (hung him in a tree) because he was trying to protect Claire from Ethan.
But, maybe he doesnt count anyway because he wasn’t even born before they got there. He wasn’t a separate person yet.
@groovybroad
I thought they were running all those tests and giving her the vaccine and all that jazz to see if she would be able to sustain her pregnancy on the island. I could be completely wrong, but I didn’t think they actually tried to take her baby at all. If that was the case, then wouldn’t they have actually tried to take him once he was born?