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		<title>By: Daily Femmostroppo Reader - March 22, 2009 &#8212; Hoyden About Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Femmostroppo Reader - March 22, 2009 &#8212; Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Preach it, Judith Warner [...]</description>
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		<title>By: larkspur</title>
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		<dc:creator>larkspur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make ends meet by  house-sitting, dog-walking, and doing various odd jobs (like helping someone organize a linen closet, or assisting someone with an out-of-state move).  Luckily for me, so far, so good.  But &quot;life-style enhancing&quot; tasks like mine are kind of low-hanging fruit.  The same household that cut me back from six dog walks a week also cut back their house-cleaner to twice a month, rather than weekly.

Now, this household is not comprised of the sort of people who would bravely announce these frugal changes as something kinda heroic.  And I totally get it that a cautious person would do sensible things like getting their highlights done four times a year instead of eight times a year, or cutting back dinners out to a couple a month instead of once or twice a week.

The thing that really bugs me is when people announce such economic restraint as being somehow noble, or at least really clever, especially when their other purchases and expenditures remain profligate.

So what do I want?  I guess just a collective acknowledgment that we&#039;re all in this together.  And also, that not spending $60 a week means something different depending on the person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make ends meet by  house-sitting, dog-walking, and doing various odd jobs (like helping someone organize a linen closet, or assisting someone with an out-of-state move).  Luckily for me, so far, so good.  But &#8220;life-style enhancing&#8221; tasks like mine are kind of low-hanging fruit.  The same household that cut me back from six dog walks a week also cut back their house-cleaner to twice a month, rather than weekly.</p>
<p>Now, this household is not comprised of the sort of people who would bravely announce these frugal changes as something kinda heroic.  And I totally get it that a cautious person would do sensible things like getting their highlights done four times a year instead of eight times a year, or cutting back dinners out to a couple a month instead of once or twice a week.</p>
<p>The thing that really bugs me is when people announce such economic restraint as being somehow noble, or at least really clever, especially when their other purchases and expenditures remain profligate.</p>
<p>So what do I want?  I guess just a collective acknowledgment that we&#8217;re all in this together.  And also, that not spending $60 a week means something different depending on the person.</p>
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		<title>By: Tricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is this really a trend out in the media?&lt;/i&gt;

I believe it is. I just wrote NPR&#039;s Morning edition earlier this week. Because they&#039;ve been doing at least two stories a week about the poor, sad, rich people, and almost none about middle or lower class struggles. It&#039;s been all &quot;Woe is me! I&#039;ll have to sell the vacay home in Spain.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is this really a trend out in the media?</i></p>
<p>I believe it is. I just wrote NPR&#8217;s Morning edition earlier this week. Because they&#8217;ve been doing at least two stories a week about the poor, sad, rich people, and almost none about middle or lower class struggles. It&#8217;s been all &#8220;Woe is me! I&#8217;ll have to sell the vacay home in Spain.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: idyllicmollusk</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/20/preach-it-judith-warner/#comment-232483</link>
		<dc:creator>idyllicmollusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holla, Judith Warner!

And you called it, Veronica.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holla, Judith Warner!</p>
<p>And you called it, Veronica.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/20/preach-it-judith-warner/#comment-232468</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Times, especially in the Style section, has been a leader in the &quot;me and my friends&quot; school of journalism. It would be nice if they followed up on this with more stories about the families who are truly living on the edge.  I don&#039;t expect anything out of the guilty-pleasure Style section, but stories in the &quot;real&quot; sections of the paper should be more inclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times, especially in the Style section, has been a leader in the &#8220;me and my friends&#8221; school of journalism. It would be nice if they followed up on this with more stories about the families who are truly living on the edge.  I don&#8217;t expect anything out of the guilty-pleasure Style section, but stories in the &#8220;real&#8221; sections of the paper should be more inclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: PeggyLuWho</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeggyLuWho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing I must have missed some other op eds or blogs bemoaning the wealthy stay at homes having to go back to work or something?   Maybe because I&#039;m over here working my butt off.  I am so behind on my reading. 

Is this really a trend out in the media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing I must have missed some other op eds or blogs bemoaning the wealthy stay at homes having to go back to work or something?   Maybe because I&#8217;m over here working my butt off.  I am so behind on my reading. </p>
<p>Is this really a trend out in the media?</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How ironic, coming from the New York Times!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How ironic, coming from the New York Times!</p>
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		<title>By: preying mantis</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/20/preach-it-judith-warner/#comment-232450</link>
		<dc:creator>preying mantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The kicker is that insecurity about work (no paid sick leave, no paid family leave, etc.) translates into insecurity about spending.  Backing off on workers&#039; rights because it&#039;s &quot;too expensive&quot; translates into more of those same workers backing off on parting with any pay they don&#039;t absolutely have to, which is probably the more serious blow to a consumer-driven economy.  

It&#039;s kind of like the excuse to not do equal pay for equal work reviews because the economy is crap.  Apparently ponying up with the pay owed to women is the equivalent of chucking into a furnace or shoving it out the back of a helicopter in the middle of Iraq to pay off a dubious contact.  Given how frequently women shoulder more caregiver responsibility than men do and how that translates into less capacity for savings, you probably get a little bit more economic bang for your buck with women&#039;s pay than you do men&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kicker is that insecurity about work (no paid sick leave, no paid family leave, etc.) translates into insecurity about spending.  Backing off on workers&#8217; rights because it&#8217;s &#8220;too expensive&#8221; translates into more of those same workers backing off on parting with any pay they don&#8217;t absolutely have to, which is probably the more serious blow to a consumer-driven economy.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like the excuse to not do equal pay for equal work reviews because the economy is crap.  Apparently ponying up with the pay owed to women is the equivalent of chucking into a furnace or shoving it out the back of a helicopter in the middle of Iraq to pay off a dubious contact.  Given how frequently women shoulder more caregiver responsibility than men do and how that translates into less capacity for savings, you probably get a little bit more economic bang for your buck with women&#8217;s pay than you do men&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right direction, I think, but it bothers me that Warner writes that we should &quot;make sure we remember who’s really suffering. And give their stories their due,&quot; and yet, the only women in her piece who get to tell their own stories in their own words (although recycled from previous, other news coverage) are the wealthy women highlighted at the beginning of the piece. Some commentary directly from the women Warner is referring to (whether quoted from elsewhere or newly gathered) would have been fitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right direction, I think, but it bothers me that Warner writes that we should &#8220;make sure we remember who’s really suffering. And give their stories their due,&#8221; and yet, the only women in her piece who get to tell their own stories in their own words (although recycled from previous, other news coverage) are the wealthy women highlighted at the beginning of the piece. Some commentary directly from the women Warner is referring to (whether quoted from elsewhere or newly gathered) would have been fitting.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinnamon</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/20/preach-it-judith-warner/#comment-232444</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinnamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brother who is a manager at a local pizza shop works nights, cleans house, and takes care of his son during the day so his girlfriend can continue going to nursing school. Her biggest regret of their situation is that he&#039;s told her she&#039;s going to have to learn to cook when she graduates. They&#039;ve worked out what works for them, like so many others have. And I think the article is great at directing the attention where it needs to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother who is a manager at a local pizza shop works nights, cleans house, and takes care of his son during the day so his girlfriend can continue going to nursing school. Her biggest regret of their situation is that he&#8217;s told her she&#8217;s going to have to learn to cook when she graduates. They&#8217;ve worked out what works for them, like so many others have. And I think the article is great at directing the attention where it needs to be.</p>
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