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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/23/standing-with-amanda-terkel/#comment-233763</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to get off the real subject but, how is Mel Gibson a anti-semite?  Just because he produced a movie which reflects exactly what the bible has written?  Come on, lets not get too dirty with labeling people because they tell the truth others don&#039;t like to hear because it smears a certain religion.  Quite frankly, the concept correlates with the book burnings done under the most evil man the world has ever seen...  history is painful, why not learn from it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to get off the real subject but, how is Mel Gibson a anti-semite?  Just because he produced a movie which reflects exactly what the bible has written?  Come on, lets not get too dirty with labeling people because they tell the truth others don&#8217;t like to hear because it smears a certain religion.  Quite frankly, the concept correlates with the book burnings done under the most evil man the world has ever seen&#8230;  history is painful, why not learn from it..</p>
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		<title>By: Kanye East</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/23/standing-with-amanda-terkel/#comment-233659</link>
		<dc:creator>Kanye East</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Okay Mr. East, but here’s the problem with that: Being a perfect lady showing proper “prudence” ain’t never stopped a rapist or harasser. Many sober and properly dressed women have been assaulted by strange men, sometimes in broad daylight. Let’s not even get into the subject of men who rape women they know or are related to.&lt;/i&gt;

True enough, but I think we can both agree that one is far less likely to land a lunker throwing a bare hook into a mud puddle in front of one&#039;s home than a juicy fly into a hatchery pond.  It&#039;s not blaming the victim to say the victim acted with little regard to her own safety in this case.  And let&#039;s not forget that Moore&#039;s rapist/killer had a female accomplice in raping and murdering his victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Okay Mr. East, but here’s the problem with that: Being a perfect lady showing proper “prudence” ain’t never stopped a rapist or harasser. Many sober and properly dressed women have been assaulted by strange men, sometimes in broad daylight. Let’s not even get into the subject of men who rape women they know or are related to.</i></p>
<p>True enough, but I think we can both agree that one is far less likely to land a lunker throwing a bare hook into a mud puddle in front of one&#8217;s home than a juicy fly into a hatchery pond.  It&#8217;s not blaming the victim to say the victim acted with little regard to her own safety in this case.  And let&#8217;s not forget that Moore&#8217;s rapist/killer had a female accomplice in raping and murdering his victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Yolanda C.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/23/standing-with-amanda-terkel/#comment-233502</link>
		<dc:creator>Yolanda C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s hard to disagree with the charge that O’Reilly is a self-important gasbag, but there is kernel of truth in what he’s saying.In a perfect world, nothing would have happened to this poor lass other than perhaps a gallant fellow giving her a ride home. But we live in a fallen world, not utopia, and must show some prudence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Okay Mr. East, but here&#039;s the problem with that: Being a perfect lady showing proper &quot;prudence&quot; ain&#039;t never stopped a rapist or harasser. Many sober and properly dressed women have been assaulted by strange men, sometimes in broad daylight. Let&#039;s not even get into the subject of men who rape women they know or are related to.

And no, dear Mr. East---we don&#039;t live in a fallen world: We live in a world where assholes with privilege bully people who don&#039;t have privilege.  And as long as there&#039;s a such thing as heteromale privilege, women and queer folks will continue to be targets of rape and battering by straight men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s hard to disagree with the charge that O’Reilly is a self-important gasbag, but there is kernel of truth in what he’s saying.In a perfect world, nothing would have happened to this poor lass other than perhaps a gallant fellow giving her a ride home. But we live in a fallen world, not utopia, and must show some prudence.</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay Mr. East, but here&#8217;s the problem with that: Being a perfect lady showing proper &#8220;prudence&#8221; ain&#8217;t never stopped a rapist or harasser. Many sober and properly dressed women have been assaulted by strange men, sometimes in broad daylight. Let&#8217;s not even get into the subject of men who rape women they know or are related to.</p>
<p>And no, dear Mr. East&#8212;we don&#8217;t live in a fallen world: We live in a world where assholes with privilege bully people who don&#8217;t have privilege.  And as long as there&#8217;s a such thing as heteromale privilege, women and queer folks will continue to be targets of rape and battering by straight men.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/23/standing-with-amanda-terkel/#comment-233493</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I remember the story correctly, Jennifer Moore got into a yellow cab -- basic transportation in NY. I&#039;ve taken them home drunk many, many times. It&#039;s hardly an imprudent decision, and often touted as a &quot;safer&quot; alternative to walking home alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember the story correctly, Jennifer Moore got into a yellow cab &#8212; basic transportation in NY. I&#8217;ve taken them home drunk many, many times. It&#8217;s hardly an imprudent decision, and often touted as a &#8220;safer&#8221; alternative to walking home alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Kanye East</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kanye East</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to disagree with the charge that O&#039;Reilly is a self-important gasbag, but there is  kernel of truth in what he&#039;s saying.  In a perfect world, nothing would have happened to this poor lass other than perhaps a gallant fellow giving her a ride home.  But we live in a fallen world, not utopia, and must show some prudence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to disagree with the charge that O&#8217;Reilly is a self-important gasbag, but there is  kernel of truth in what he&#8217;s saying.  In a perfect world, nothing would have happened to this poor lass other than perhaps a gallant fellow giving her a ride home.  But we live in a fallen world, not utopia, and must show some prudence.</p>
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		<title>By: golublog</title>
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		<dc:creator>golublog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill O Reilly has always been a terrible bully, I feel he to generally has no respect for women. When a women commentator comes on his show he tries to intimidate them as much as possible. He brings up women&#039;s issues for easy ratings, and then tears apart any women who comes on the show to present an alternate opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill O Reilly has always been a terrible bully, I feel he to generally has no respect for women. When a women commentator comes on his show he tries to intimidate them as much as possible. He brings up women&#8217;s issues for easy ratings, and then tears apart any women who comes on the show to present an alternate opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the people at the Alexa Foundation were upset, well, &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; are the ones who asked a victim-blaming misogynist to raise money for their organization.  Crying foul because people are calling O&#039;Reilly (and them) on this is a bit much.

Also, nothing, NOTHING justifies Watters tailing Amanda Terkel on vacation and treating her the way she was treated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the people at the Alexa Foundation were upset, well, <i>they</i> are the ones who asked a victim-blaming misogynist to raise money for their organization.  Crying foul because people are calling O&#8217;Reilly (and them) on this is a bit much.</p>
<p>Also, nothing, NOTHING justifies Watters tailing Amanda Terkel on vacation and treating her the way she was treated.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon E. Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/23/standing-with-amanda-terkel/#comment-233294</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon E. Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Email sent to Watters:

Dear Mr. Watters,

While Anonymous appreciates that many people would like to get into the business of trolling we feel that it is important for you to understand that it is a serious business. Your attempts to troll Ms Terkel were sorely lacking in lulz and seemed more suited to a school yard bully than a professional journalist. As you failed to produce either meaningful information or good entertainment we would like to respectfully request that you stop harassing Ms. Terkel (or, as the kids at the far left website Ebaumsworld.com would say, GTFO). Further, we fail to see why you would volunteer to be Mr. O&#039;Reilly&#039;s personal army. Perhaps the incident would have been more entertaining had he shown up in person to attempt to troll Ms. Terkel, but his absence suggests that he feared that his performance might, as he famously said at his previous job, &quot;fucking suck.&quot; I would like to remind you that Mr. O&#039;Reilly has previously proven to be a rich source of lulz despite his procurement of dogs and a curtain, and that his continued unlulzy behavior reminds us of Hal Turner.

Sincerely,
The internet hate machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Email sent to Watters:</p>
<p>Dear Mr. Watters,</p>
<p>While Anonymous appreciates that many people would like to get into the business of trolling we feel that it is important for you to understand that it is a serious business. Your attempts to troll Ms Terkel were sorely lacking in lulz and seemed more suited to a school yard bully than a professional journalist. As you failed to produce either meaningful information or good entertainment we would like to respectfully request that you stop harassing Ms. Terkel (or, as the kids at the far left website Ebaumsworld.com would say, GTFO). Further, we fail to see why you would volunteer to be Mr. O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s personal army. Perhaps the incident would have been more entertaining had he shown up in person to attempt to troll Ms. Terkel, but his absence suggests that he feared that his performance might, as he famously said at his previous job, &#8220;fucking suck.&#8221; I would like to remind you that Mr. O&#8217;Reilly has previously proven to be a rich source of lulz despite his procurement of dogs and a curtain, and that his continued unlulzy behavior reminds us of Hal Turner.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
The internet hate machine.</p>
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		<title>By: OutcrazyOphelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>OutcrazyOphelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an awful excuse for a human being. Somehow his words that blamed a woman who was raped and murdered for her own fate don&#039;t hurt victim&#039;s families, but pointing out that someone who does not believe in the humanity and dignity of all people regardless of gender is not the best person to speak at an event that will be attended by victims and their families is harmful and should be apologized for. It just goes to show that he has a knee jerk reaction to any dissent, no matter how well founded it is. I want to know how questioning his victim blaming hurts the organization? Does he think he&#039;s right? Is he going to speak about how women need to wear pants and not leave the house after dark at the event? Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an awful excuse for a human being. Somehow his words that blamed a woman who was raped and murdered for her own fate don&#8217;t hurt victim&#8217;s families, but pointing out that someone who does not believe in the humanity and dignity of all people regardless of gender is not the best person to speak at an event that will be attended by victims and their families is harmful and should be apologized for. It just goes to show that he has a knee jerk reaction to any dissent, no matter how well founded it is. I want to know how questioning his victim blaming hurts the organization? Does he think he&#8217;s right? Is he going to speak about how women need to wear pants and not leave the house after dark at the event? Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/03/23/standing-with-amanda-terkel/#comment-233251</link>
		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Apparently what happened was in the comments to Amanda’s original post, someone posted the link to the foundation O’Reilly was going to be addressing and encouraged people to e-mail them in protest. What upset O’Reilly and caused him to sic the stalk and attack dogs on Amanda was that (according to a representative of the family that was on O’Reilly’s show), alot of the e-mails to the foundation were harshly worded and it upset Alexa and her family. Not sure what any of that has to do with NBC News or even Amanda Terkel, but I think it clarifies the situation somewhat.&lt;/em&gt;

Well, yes, that is different from stalking a woman for daring to disagree with your views on proper female behavior.  

It&#039;s always hard to know whether someone is being an asshole on purpose or in the service of some dearly-held assholish principle.  However, the abusive handling of the confrontation, the refusal on Bill&#039;s part to accept any responsibility for his rape apology, and his categorical unwillingness to understand that one or two rape victims hear that crap pretty much continuously after the assault...all of these things plus his general personality make me very skeptical about his concern for the Alexa family.  

I think that women have every right to complain about sexist victim-blaming, especially under the pretence of victim-advocacy, and I don&#039;t think Terkel is responsible for the language used by some commenters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Apparently what happened was in the comments to Amanda’s original post, someone posted the link to the foundation O’Reilly was going to be addressing and encouraged people to e-mail them in protest. What upset O’Reilly and caused him to sic the stalk and attack dogs on Amanda was that (according to a representative of the family that was on O’Reilly’s show), alot of the e-mails to the foundation were harshly worded and it upset Alexa and her family. Not sure what any of that has to do with NBC News or even Amanda Terkel, but I think it clarifies the situation somewhat.</em></p>
<p>Well, yes, that is different from stalking a woman for daring to disagree with your views on proper female behavior.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s always hard to know whether someone is being an asshole on purpose or in the service of some dearly-held assholish principle.  However, the abusive handling of the confrontation, the refusal on Bill&#8217;s part to accept any responsibility for his rape apology, and his categorical unwillingness to understand that one or two rape victims hear that crap pretty much continuously after the assault&#8230;all of these things plus his general personality make me very skeptical about his concern for the Alexa family.  </p>
<p>I think that women have every right to complain about sexist victim-blaming, especially under the pretence of victim-advocacy, and I don&#8217;t think Terkel is responsible for the language used by some commenters.</p>
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