<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Mommy Dearest</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/</link>
	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:12:24 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	
	<item>
		<title>By: KellyK</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/#comment-246465</link>
		<dc:creator>KellyK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=12528#comment-246465</guid>
		<description>@bluey52, I don&#039;t think the point of what you quoted was that it&#039;s fine and good for a pregnant woman to take something that will harm the fetus. I thought the focus was on *women who may become pregnant* and the idea that the most important thing about a woman&#039;s health is her fertility--that her well-being as a person is far less important than her ability to bear children.

I also think there&#039;s a difference between taking precautions not to harm the fetus and obsessing about the effect of every move you make and every bite of food you put in your mouth.

Plus which, you have to consider your health and the fetus&#039;s both, not only the fetus&#039;s.  For example, I wouldn&#039;t assume that a pregnant woman who&#039;s had major issues with depression is an awful person if she looks at the risks and discusses it with her doctor and decides that staying on her SSRI is a better choice than going off it to decrease the risk of birth defects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bluey52, I don&#8217;t think the point of what you quoted was that it&#8217;s fine and good for a pregnant woman to take something that will harm the fetus. I thought the focus was on *women who may become pregnant* and the idea that the most important thing about a woman&#8217;s health is her fertility&#8211;that her well-being as a person is far less important than her ability to bear children.</p>
<p>I also think there&#8217;s a difference between taking precautions not to harm the fetus and obsessing about the effect of every move you make and every bite of food you put in your mouth.</p>
<p>Plus which, you have to consider your health and the fetus&#8217;s both, not only the fetus&#8217;s.  For example, I wouldn&#8217;t assume that a pregnant woman who&#8217;s had major issues with depression is an awful person if she looks at the risks and discusses it with her doctor and decides that staying on her SSRI is a better choice than going off it to decrease the risk of birth defects.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pregnant but perfect &#171; Maedchenmannschaft</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/#comment-236008</link>
		<dc:creator>Pregnant but perfect &#171; Maedchenmannschaft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 10:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=12528#comment-236008</guid>
		<description>[...] jezebel als auch feministe sind sich sicher, dass diese Fotos in der amerikanischen Vogue keine Chance gehabt hätten – so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] jezebel als auch feministe sind sich sicher, dass diese Fotos in der amerikanischen Vogue keine Chance gehabt hätten – so [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bluey512</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/#comment-235183</link>
		<dc:creator>bluey512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=12528#comment-235183</guid>
		<description>Oh, and also, I strongly disagree with this:

&lt;i&gt;As if a woman for whom certain products, pharmaceuticals, foods, and lifestyles might make a positive difference does not get to enjoy that positive difference if it would effect her ability to be a brood mare.&lt;/i&gt;

I figure, if you voluntarily choose to bring a fetus to term, then you are creating a human being.  It&#039;s not okay to do bodily harm to anyone - how is it okay to do it to your own children?  If you&#039;re not willing to accept the responsibility to treat your own children like human beings, then you ought to avoid becoming pregnant, or have an abortion if you do.

Moreover, I&#039;d say parents have a responsibility to try to be good parents.  That should not be in question.  I&#039;m on board with questioning whether any particular thing should be seen as a mark of good parenting or not (for instance setting a bedtime for your kid), and I definitely think it&#039;s wrong that the majority of the child-rearing-related pressure falls on mothers instead of fathers.  I also don&#039;t think parents should feel obligated to give up their entire lives for their kids.

But saying or implying that a woman who voluntarily becomes pregnant and wants to bring the fetus to term doesn&#039;t have a responsibility to not harm the fetus is like saying an elected politician shouldn&#039;t be accountable to their constituents because OH NOES it might be unpleasant and voters might have opinions about the way they do their job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and also, I strongly disagree with this:</p>
<p><i>As if a woman for whom certain products, pharmaceuticals, foods, and lifestyles might make a positive difference does not get to enjoy that positive difference if it would effect her ability to be a brood mare.</i></p>
<p>I figure, if you voluntarily choose to bring a fetus to term, then you are creating a human being.  It&#8217;s not okay to do bodily harm to anyone &#8211; how is it okay to do it to your own children?  If you&#8217;re not willing to accept the responsibility to treat your own children like human beings, then you ought to avoid becoming pregnant, or have an abortion if you do.</p>
<p>Moreover, I&#8217;d say parents have a responsibility to try to be good parents.  That should not be in question.  I&#8217;m on board with questioning whether any particular thing should be seen as a mark of good parenting or not (for instance setting a bedtime for your kid), and I definitely think it&#8217;s wrong that the majority of the child-rearing-related pressure falls on mothers instead of fathers.  I also don&#8217;t think parents should feel obligated to give up their entire lives for their kids.</p>
<p>But saying or implying that a woman who voluntarily becomes pregnant and wants to bring the fetus to term doesn&#8217;t have a responsibility to not harm the fetus is like saying an elected politician shouldn&#8217;t be accountable to their constituents because OH NOES it might be unpleasant and voters might have opinions about the way they do their job!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bluey512</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/#comment-235165</link>
		<dc:creator>bluey512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=12528#comment-235165</guid>
		<description>To me, this spread is reminiscent of shows like The Simpsons and Family Guy, the irreverence of which I personally enjoy.

Interestingly, I had a more negative reaction to this spread than I normally do to the portrayals of awful fathering in those shows, probably because there is a double standard in this society regarding parenting and I&#039;ve absorbed it.  When fathers mistreat their children, it&#039;s funny.  It&#039;s clearly just a joke.  The children aren&#039;t real.  But when mothers mistreat their children, it seems ugly and wrong.  

Now, you can certainly argue that it&#039;s wrong to normalize mistreatment of children.  You can say this isn&#039;t something we should be poking fun at.  Just check your biases and try not to apply the double standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, this spread is reminiscent of shows like The Simpsons and Family Guy, the irreverence of which I personally enjoy.</p>
<p>Interestingly, I had a more negative reaction to this spread than I normally do to the portrayals of awful fathering in those shows, probably because there is a double standard in this society regarding parenting and I&#8217;ve absorbed it.  When fathers mistreat their children, it&#8217;s funny.  It&#8217;s clearly just a joke.  The children aren&#8217;t real.  But when mothers mistreat their children, it seems ugly and wrong.  </p>
<p>Now, you can certainly argue that it&#8217;s wrong to normalize mistreatment of children.  You can say this isn&#8217;t something we should be poking fun at.  Just check your biases and try not to apply the double standard.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bloix</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/#comment-235142</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=12528#comment-235142</guid>
		<description>Well, I shouldn&#039;t have said people&#039;s responses are hilarious, because that was just gratuitous nastiness.  But really, I find that these pictures make me genuinely angry and I&#039;m suprised, I guess, that most others don&#039;t have the same reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I shouldn&#8217;t have said people&#8217;s responses are hilarious, because that was just gratuitous nastiness.  But really, I find that these pictures make me genuinely angry and I&#8217;m suprised, I guess, that most others don&#8217;t have the same reaction.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Roving Thundercloud</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/#comment-235107</link>
		<dc:creator>Roving Thundercloud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=12528#comment-235107</guid>
		<description>Exactly, Bloix.  Which is why the lack of response to my question @#38 is no surprise, I guess.  I&#039;m disappointed that this spread was seen as challenging one confining view of women when all it really does is affirm another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, Bloix.  Which is why the lack of response to my question @#38 is no surprise, I guess.  I&#8217;m disappointed that this spread was seen as challenging one confining view of women when all it really does is affirm another.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/#comment-235106</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=12528#comment-235106</guid>
		<description>Pointing out body shaming is not trying to shut anyone up, it&#039;s trying to have a discussion about whatever the topic is without resorting to shaming women for their body.
You can point out that the fashion industry body shames women every day (something I doubt many people would object to) without resorting to body shaming yourself (assuming all models are anorexic and unhealthy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pointing out body shaming is not trying to shut anyone up, it&#8217;s trying to have a discussion about whatever the topic is without resorting to shaming women for their body.<br />
You can point out that the fashion industry body shames women every day (something I doubt many people would object to) without resorting to body shaming yourself (assuming all models are anorexic and unhealthy).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bloix</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/#comment-235091</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=12528#comment-235091</guid>
		<description>Actually, I think it&#039;s hilarious to read self-identified feminists praising the corporate fashion press&#039;s decision to print yet another spread of an anorexic, unhealthy woman with no clothes on.  Subverting the sentimentality of motherhood!  Hell, it would have been even better if they&#039;d given her a black eye and some needle tracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think it&#8217;s hilarious to read self-identified feminists praising the corporate fashion press&#8217;s decision to print yet another spread of an anorexic, unhealthy woman with no clothes on.  Subverting the sentimentality of motherhood!  Hell, it would have been even better if they&#8217;d given her a black eye and some needle tracks.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bloix</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/#comment-235089</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=12528#comment-235089</guid>
		<description>and multiple have not.  Just who is trying to shut up whom here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and multiple have not.  Just who is trying to shut up whom here?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/01/mommy-dearest-2/#comment-235079</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=12528#comment-235079</guid>
		<description>and multiple people have taken it as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and multiple people have taken it as such.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Minified using disk: basic
Page Caching using disk: basic
Database Caching 15/21 queries in 0.122 seconds using disk: basic

Served from: www.feministe.us @ 2012-02-10 04:03:41 -->
