Comments on: Denist Defends Sexual Assault of Patients as Medical Treatment http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/27/denist-defends-sexual-assault-of-patients-as-medical-treatment/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:11:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: Andrew Dobbs http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/27/denist-defends-sexual-assault-of-patients-as-medical-treatment/#comment-240161 Andrew Dobbs Mon, 04 May 2009 06:35:30 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13092#comment-240161 For a similar case, but involving a family practioner check out Jack Olsen's <i>Doc: The Rape of the Town of Lovell</i>. Olsen was maybe the best crime writer who ever lived, and the story will remind you of why Mormonism is an assault on women. Before anybody jumps on me for being a Mormon basher, I'll attack each and every religion on general terms and terms specific to each. As for the LDS, most of the women raped by the doctor in this book were LDS and thier church leaders tried to convince them they were at fault or were now unpure as a result and barred from the sacraments. Joseph Smith compared himself to Muhammad. Looks like his followers took a page from those of the other. Six years huh? Too bad he wasn't a drug dealer... For a similar case, but involving a family practioner check out Jack Olsen’s Doc: The Rape of the Town of Lovell. Olsen was maybe the best crime writer who ever lived, and the story will remind you of why Mormonism is an assault on women. Before anybody jumps on me for being a Mormon basher, I’ll attack each and every religion on general terms and terms specific to each. As for the LDS, most of the women raped by the doctor in this book were LDS and thier church leaders tried to convince them they were at fault or were now unpure as a result and barred from the sacraments.

Joseph Smith compared himself to Muhammad. Looks like his followers took a page from those of the other.

Six years huh? Too bad he wasn’t a drug dealer…

]]> By: stacy http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/27/denist-defends-sexual-assault-of-patients-as-medical-treatment/#comment-239993 stacy Sun, 03 May 2009 00:37:10 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13092#comment-239993 I am a patient advocate who personally has had TMJ disorder for 15 years, and helps many patients who also have it. Groping is NEVER a treatment for this (obviously) and VERY, VERY rarely is massaging anywhere below the neck. Usually dentists will refer to a massage therapist or physical therapist if other treatment is necessary. This guy is a criminal, there is no doubt about that. I am a patient advocate who personally has had TMJ disorder for 15 years, and helps many patients who also have it. Groping is NEVER a treatment for this (obviously) and VERY, VERY rarely is massaging anywhere below the neck. Usually dentists will refer to a massage therapist or physical therapist if other treatment is necessary. This guy is a criminal, there is no doubt about that.

]]> By: SmithingChick http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/27/denist-defends-sexual-assault-of-patients-as-medical-treatment/#comment-239743 SmithingChick Fri, 01 May 2009 17:53:56 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13092#comment-239743 Cara & evil_fizz, you are completely right. I didn't really think of it that way at all & I should have. Guys like the dentist described here get me angry beyond the point of rational thought- and in this case especially because my own experiences with TMJ tell me that he's *really* full of crap. There's no way rubbing someone's breasts would be considered a treatment even for severe TMJ (see the first part of my previous post- Back & shoulders? Yes. Breasts or chest area? No. It's a different muscle group). It isn't so much that I want vengeance exactly; it's that I want these guys to understand just what kind of hell they cause. Cara & evil_fizz, you are completely right. I didn’t really think of it that way at all & I should have.

Guys like the dentist described here get me angry beyond the point of rational thought- and in this case especially because my own experiences with TMJ tell me that he’s *really* full of crap. There’s no way rubbing someone’s breasts would be considered a treatment even for severe TMJ (see the first part of my previous post- Back & shoulders? Yes. Breasts or chest area? No. It’s a different muscle group).

It isn’t so much that I want vengeance exactly; it’s that I want these guys to understand just what kind of hell they cause.

]]> By: brista http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/27/denist-defends-sexual-assault-of-patients-as-medical-treatment/#comment-239288 brista Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:37:50 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13092#comment-239288 <i>“Anderson said he was sorry that the women he’s convicted of molesting didn’t realize he was simply providing treatment.”</i> Sounds like the ol' non-apology apology "I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt." "I'm sorry you misunderstood." Not, "I'm sorry I did something wrong." “Anderson said he was sorry that the women he’s convicted of molesting didn’t realize he was simply providing treatment.”

Sounds like the ol’ non-apology apology “I’m sorry if your feelings were hurt.” “I’m sorry you misunderstood.” Not, “I’m sorry I did something wrong.”

]]> By: Cara http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/27/denist-defends-sexual-assault-of-patients-as-medical-treatment/#comment-239266 Cara Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:54:03 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13092#comment-239266 Yes, self-defense. Yes, self-defense.

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]]> By: Jill http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/27/denist-defends-sexual-assault-of-patients-as-medical-treatment/#comment-239061 Jill Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:47:10 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13092#comment-239061 Kathryn, self-defense would be one. Kathryn, self-defense would be one.

]]> By: Kathryn http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/27/denist-defends-sexual-assault-of-patients-as-medical-treatment/#comment-239056 Kathryn Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:02:30 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13092#comment-239056 "1. Murder is sometimes justified, while rape never is. That’s not to say that murder for vengeance is a good idea or that I’m promoting it. But that at least cases where killing someone is justifiable exist" i know it's off topic, but I wondered what instances you were referring to as I can't think of any? “1. Murder is sometimes justified, while rape never is. That’s not to say that murder for vengeance is a good idea or that I’m promoting it. But that at least cases where killing someone is justifiable exist”

i know it’s off topic, but I wondered what instances you were referring to as I can’t think of any?

]]> By: amandaw http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/27/denist-defends-sexual-assault-of-patients-as-medical-treatment/#comment-239051 amandaw Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:20:36 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13092#comment-239051 RD, point def taken. RD, point def taken.

]]> By: Cara http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/27/denist-defends-sexual-assault-of-patients-as-medical-treatment/#comment-239034 Cara Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:51:24 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13092#comment-239034 Which is to say (very quickly because I'm headed out the door): 1. Murder is sometimes justified, while rape never is. That's not to say that murder for vengeance is a good idea or that I'm promoting it. But that at least cases where killing someone is justifiable <i>exist</i> 2. Prison rape isn't a joke. At all. Rape is rape, and while it's incredibly difficult to feel bad for a rapist, we have to remember all of those non-violent criminals who have been raped in prison, and also remember that no one ever deserves to be raped and to pretend otherwise only undermines victim-blaming and hurts our own arguments. 3. Many people, primarily women, actually are raped in what they are at least told is an act of "revenge." I think the idea of rape as revenge is actually a part of rape culture. Not the biggest part, but certainly a part. Which isn't to say that I don't understand the desire for vengeance -- oh trust me, as a rape survivor, I sure as hell do -- but that comments about hoping someone is raped in turn for their rapes/sexual assaults, and especially those about being raped in prison since that's actually a not distance possibility, are never cool in my mind. I see them a lot, but I always find them upsetting. Which is to say (very quickly because I’m headed out the door):

1. Murder is sometimes justified, while rape never is. That’s not to say that murder for vengeance is a good idea or that I’m promoting it. But that at least cases where killing someone is justifiable exist

2. Prison rape isn’t a joke. At all. Rape is rape, and while it’s incredibly difficult to feel bad for a rapist, we have to remember all of those non-violent criminals who have been raped in prison, and also remember that no one ever deserves to be raped and to pretend otherwise only undermines victim-blaming and hurts our own arguments.

3. Many people, primarily women, actually are raped in what they are at least told is an act of “revenge.” I think the idea of rape as revenge is actually a part of rape culture. Not the biggest part, but certainly a part.

Which isn’t to say that I don’t understand the desire for vengeance — oh trust me, as a rape survivor, I sure as hell do — but that comments about hoping someone is raped in turn for their rapes/sexual assaults, and especially those about being raped in prison since that’s actually a not distance possibility, are never cool in my mind. I see them a lot, but I always find them upsetting.

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