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	<title>Comments on: New Hampshire! [is not as great as I thought.  See update below.]</title>
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		<title>By: Aleisha</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/30/new-hampshire/#comment-240070</link>
		<dc:creator>Aleisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 16:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;but to the bill’s own sponsors to vote against the bill, when they didn’t need to, feels like a pointless betrayal. &lt;/i&gt;

Because the hate campaign was so successful they were afraid of having a yes vote haunt them down the road, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but to the bill’s own sponsors to vote against the bill, when they didn’t need to, feels like a pointless betrayal. </i></p>
<p>Because the hate campaign was so successful they were afraid of having a yes vote haunt them down the road, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: drakyn</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/30/new-hampshire/#comment-240000</link>
		<dc:creator>drakyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 01:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the bill’s own sponsors to vote against the bill, when they didn’t need to, feels like a pointless betrayal.

I just don’t get it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My thoughts exactly. 

Yeah Lauren, and maybe the folks getting so upset are the ones who like to peek at their neighbor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the bill’s own sponsors to vote against the bill, when they didn’t need to, feels like a pointless betrayal.</p>
<p>I just don’t get it.</p></blockquote>
<p>My thoughts exactly. </p>
<p>Yeah Lauren, and maybe the folks getting so upset are the ones who like to peek at their neighbor?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/30/new-hampshire/#comment-239942</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 18:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Have you not heard of the concept of stalls?&lt;/em&gt;

Ha!  No kidding!  Bathroom politics are perplexing.  Transphobic, absolutely, and FUCKING NOSEY.  I don&#039;t want to know who or what is going on behind any stall, just like I hope nobody&#039;s uber-concerned about what kind of business I&#039;m doing in mine.  Whatever it is I&#039;m doing in there can just as easily be done behind the door with the skirt on it as the one with the pants.  Just get me to the john.

There&#039;s nothing I can imagine that compels a person to be THAT concerned about where anyone else shits and washes their hands than transphobia in its truest sense.  Fear fucking sells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Have you not heard of the concept of stalls?</em></p>
<p>Ha!  No kidding!  Bathroom politics are perplexing.  Transphobic, absolutely, and FUCKING NOSEY.  I don&#8217;t want to know who or what is going on behind any stall, just like I hope nobody&#8217;s uber-concerned about what kind of business I&#8217;m doing in mine.  Whatever it is I&#8217;m doing in there can just as easily be done behind the door with the skirt on it as the one with the pants.  Just get me to the john.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing I can imagine that compels a person to be THAT concerned about where anyone else shits and washes their hands than transphobia in its truest sense.  Fear fucking sells.</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/30/new-hampshire/#comment-239938</link>
		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 18:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t think the New Hampshire state senate is all composed of people who WANT to see more discrimination against trans people. But the bill also didn’t fail because it was poorly written. It failed, at least in the opinion of the SPONSORS of the Bill, who also voted against it, because the attack campaign mounted against it by right-wing opponents was so successful, in their take, that there wasn’t a bat’s chance in hell.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is there anyone else who just doesn&#039;t get this, or is it just me? Why would the sponsors of a bill vote against it? 

Even if it was going to fail, they could have prevented it from being a &lt;b&gt;unanimous &lt;/b&gt;vote permitting anti-trans discrimination. That would have still sucked -- but to the bill&#039;s own sponsors to vote against the bill, when they didn&#039;t need to, feels like a pointless betrayal. 

I just don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t think the New Hampshire state senate is all composed of people who WANT to see more discrimination against trans people. But the bill also didn’t fail because it was poorly written. It failed, at least in the opinion of the SPONSORS of the Bill, who also voted against it, because the attack campaign mounted against it by right-wing opponents was so successful, in their take, that there wasn’t a bat’s chance in hell.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is there anyone else who just doesn&#8217;t get this, or is it just me? Why would the sponsors of a bill vote against it? </p>
<p>Even if it was going to fail, they could have prevented it from being a <b>unanimous </b>vote permitting anti-trans discrimination. That would have still sucked &#8212; but to the bill&#8217;s own sponsors to vote against the bill, when they didn&#8217;t need to, feels like a pointless betrayal. </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/30/new-hampshire/#comment-239907</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 12:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill - yes, it is typical that even those doing their darnedest to be trans-friendly have to add a postscript like this. 

You&#039;re doing your best. You&#039;re showing genuine goodwill. I&#039;m sure this is a wake-up call to you, and you must be wondering &quot;how do I do better next time?&quot;

Don&#039;t sweat it, OK? Cut yourself some slack. By my book, you are so many light years ahead of the game that it would be unjust to expect 100% perfection.

You added a postscript. Most wouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill &#8211; yes, it is typical that even those doing their darnedest to be trans-friendly have to add a postscript like this. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re doing your best. You&#8217;re showing genuine goodwill. I&#8217;m sure this is a wake-up call to you, and you must be wondering &#8220;how do I do better next time?&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t sweat it, OK? Cut yourself some slack. By my book, you are so many light years ahead of the game that it would be unjust to expect 100% perfection.</p>
<p>You added a postscript. Most wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: drakyn</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/30/new-hampshire/#comment-239847</link>
		<dc:creator>drakyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 00:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To echo &lt;a href=&quot;http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/you-cis-people-really-are-obsessed-with-toilets-arent-you/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Helen&lt;/a&gt;, why the hell are cis* people so obsessed with their precious bathrooms?
Have you not heard of the concept of &lt;i&gt;stalls&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To echo <a href="http://birdofparadox.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/you-cis-people-really-are-obsessed-with-toilets-arent-you/" rel="nofollow">Helen</a>, why the hell are cis* people so obsessed with their precious bathrooms?<br />
Have you not heard of the concept of <i>stalls</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: We&#8217;re* Not An Afterthought &#171; Little Lambs Eat Ivy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/30/new-hampshire/#comment-239825</link>
		<dc:creator>We&#8217;re* Not An Afterthought &#171; Little Lambs Eat Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 22:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Not An&#160;Afterthought  I&#8217;m not impressed with some of the big feminist blogs&#8217; handling of Wednesday&#8217;s events in the New Hampshire [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GallingGalla</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/30/new-hampshire/#comment-239818</link>
		<dc:creator>GallingGalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aleisha@35: i gorra run off and listen to that song, thanks for the reminder.  however, before i do, here&#039;s some lyrics for corwin&#039;s puny mind to chew on:

&lt;i&gt;Queer sex is great, it&#039;s fun as shit don&#039;t worry 
Jesus is dead and God don&#039;t exist and swearing is fun, 
it&#039;s funner than piss, that&#039;s it&#039;s stupid is a cruel and classist myth. 
Queer sex is great, it&#039;s fun as shit, 
Don&#039;t kill yourself cause people can&#039;t deal with your brilliance 
Sometimes I can&#039;t remember why i want to live 
Then i think of all the freaks and i don&#039;t want to miss this 
It&#039;s just like Donna said it depends where you&#039;re at in your head.&lt;/i&gt;

hi, corwin, i&#039;m one of Donna Dresch&#039;s freaks.  pleased to meet you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aleisha@35: i gorra run off and listen to that song, thanks for the reminder.  however, before i do, here&#8217;s some lyrics for corwin&#8217;s puny mind to chew on:</p>
<p><i>Queer sex is great, it&#8217;s fun as shit don&#8217;t worry<br />
Jesus is dead and God don&#8217;t exist and swearing is fun,<br />
it&#8217;s funner than piss, that&#8217;s it&#8217;s stupid is a cruel and classist myth.<br />
Queer sex is great, it&#8217;s fun as shit,<br />
Don&#8217;t kill yourself cause people can&#8217;t deal with your brilliance<br />
Sometimes I can&#8217;t remember why i want to live<br />
Then i think of all the freaks and i don&#8217;t want to miss this<br />
It&#8217;s just like Donna said it depends where you&#8217;re at in your head.</i></p>
<p>hi, corwin, i&#8217;m one of Donna Dresch&#8217;s freaks.  pleased to meet you!</p>
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		<title>By: anarchafemme</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/30/new-hampshire/#comment-239808</link>
		<dc:creator>anarchafemme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>corwin @30: this may involve you having to do too much of that thinking thing that you pretend to be so big on, but how do you propose that, in this system, we fulfil our basic rights to food, shelter, clothing, and health care without employment? And how hard is it to differentiate between an anti-discrimination law prohibiting an employer from not hiring someone or firing them because of something that has nothing to do with their job and handing someone a job at a set salary.

A guaranteed minimum salary no matter what the circumstances, independent of corporations being willing to make a profit of you would be a different argument.

Kristen J.: yeah, discrimination is economically inefficient in that it reduces the amount produced and the value of what is produced, but it also serves to keep wages down by maintaining a permanent state of underemployment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>corwin @30: this may involve you having to do too much of that thinking thing that you pretend to be so big on, but how do you propose that, in this system, we fulfil our basic rights to food, shelter, clothing, and health care without employment? And how hard is it to differentiate between an anti-discrimination law prohibiting an employer from not hiring someone or firing them because of something that has nothing to do with their job and handing someone a job at a set salary.</p>
<p>A guaranteed minimum salary no matter what the circumstances, independent of corporations being willing to make a profit of you would be a different argument.</p>
<p>Kristen J.: yeah, discrimination is economically inefficient in that it reduces the amount produced and the value of what is produced, but it also serves to keep wages down by maintaining a permanent state of underemployment.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleisha</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/30/new-hampshire/#comment-239784</link>
		<dc:creator>Aleisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now-to really fit in,I should scatter a few “Fucks” around.&quot;

Don&#039;t make me quote Team Dresch lyrics at you!  And, really, focusing on the profanity instead of addressing any of the points made is intellectually weak. 

Thanks again for all the trans women speaking the truth about LGB&#039;s and getting to the T &#039;later.&#039; That&#039;s a tired, tired song, and I think we&#039;re all quite done with it. 

I think I&#039;m done doing any work with people who identify as SSM activists, or if they do my first question will be about what activism they&#039;ve done outside of LGB or even T issues. Single-Issue activists are self-focused and their word isn&#039;t worth shit.

Ut-oh, I swore again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now-to really fit in,I should scatter a few “Fucks” around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t make me quote Team Dresch lyrics at you!  And, really, focusing on the profanity instead of addressing any of the points made is intellectually weak. </p>
<p>Thanks again for all the trans women speaking the truth about LGB&#8217;s and getting to the T &#8216;later.&#8217; That&#8217;s a tired, tired song, and I think we&#8217;re all quite done with it. </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m done doing any work with people who identify as SSM activists, or if they do my first question will be about what activism they&#8217;ve done outside of LGB or even T issues. Single-Issue activists are self-focused and their word isn&#8217;t worth shit.</p>
<p>Ut-oh, I swore again.</p>
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