Comments on: Asher Roth is everything that is wrong with the world, take two. http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:11:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: Patrick http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/#comment-241840 Patrick Fri, 15 May 2009 23:50:41 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13266#comment-241840 Now I'm a student at Full Sail, and I'm up for Recording Arts... with that being said I'm exposed to a vast assortment of different people from different places with different tastes in music. I can honestly say that some of the responses that were left are exactly what I expect to hear from any white male who doesn't listen, or care for rap music. For god sakes everybody used to rock out to 'Ice Ice Baby!' Vanilla Ice, so how the heck are you going to try and make race an issue. But it really is just a the fact of the matter that he isn't contributing to hip hop with his rap, he's criticizing and bad-mouthing. If Roth, grew up in a hard area and had to endure the struggles that black folks have to go through then he'd probably understand. (And I don't mean to pull that struggle card, but I'm a black male in college, and even in Orlando, I find myself going in the gas station to get gas and buy a drink, while I'm next up in line, the lady in front of me leaves, and 'whispers' to the cashier, "be careful their alot of them around here"..lls I'm like wtf I'm on E.Orlando and it's more spanish folks out here than anything... but these just one of the many petty shit we gotta put up with...) THE RAP GAME GETTING TO A POINT A FOLKS GETTING EXPOSED, AND BUDDY BETTER KEEP THIS STUFF RIGHT HERE ON THE LOW, CAUSE I DON'T THINK HE REALLY WANT'S ANYBODY INTHE RAP GAME TO MESS WITH HIM... WHEN DID RAP BECOME JUST FOR BLACK PEOPLE??? BLACK PEOPLE ARE MUSIC.. WHITE FOLKS MAD THEY CAN'T STAY ON THE BEAT, EVEN TO THE MUSIC THEY LOVE...LLS JK BUT I'M SERIOUS THOUGH LLS... Y'ALL TAKE CARE NOW Now I’m a student at Full Sail, and I’m up for Recording Arts… with that being said I’m exposed to a vast assortment of different people from different places with different tastes in music. I can honestly say that some of the responses that were left are exactly what I expect to hear from any white male who doesn’t listen, or care for rap music. For god sakes everybody used to rock out to ‘Ice Ice Baby!’ Vanilla Ice, so how the heck are you going to try and make race an issue. But it really is just a the fact of the matter that he isn’t contributing to hip hop with his rap, he’s criticizing and bad-mouthing. If Roth, grew up in a hard area and had to endure the struggles that black folks have to go through then he’d probably understand. (And I don’t mean to pull that struggle card, but I’m a black male in college, and even in Orlando, I find myself going in the gas station to get gas and buy a drink, while I’m next up in line, the lady in front of me leaves, and ‘whispers’ to the cashier, “be careful their alot of them around here”..lls I’m like wtf I’m on E.Orlando and it’s more spanish folks out here than anything… but these just one of the many petty shit we gotta put up with…)
THE RAP GAME GETTING TO A POINT A FOLKS GETTING EXPOSED, AND BUDDY BETTER KEEP THIS STUFF RIGHT HERE ON THE LOW, CAUSE I DON’T THINK HE REALLY WANT’S ANYBODY INTHE RAP GAME TO MESS WITH HIM…

WHEN DID RAP BECOME JUST FOR BLACK PEOPLE??? BLACK PEOPLE ARE MUSIC.. WHITE FOLKS MAD THEY CAN’T STAY ON THE BEAT, EVEN TO THE MUSIC THEY LOVE…LLS JK BUT I’M SERIOUS THOUGH LLS…

Y’ALL TAKE CARE NOW

]]> By: Really? http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/#comment-241388 Really? Tue, 12 May 2009 07:34:12 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13266#comment-241388 Roxie I have seen the vid and he makes great points but you can joke and still have love for people. I think everyone jokes about race to some extent. It doesn't mean they don't care about what is going on. It does go too far every once in a while but I really do joke with my friends not just about race but other things too and of course we don't mean it. IDK perhaps we could tone it down? Maybe there really is a way to joke about race without being apathetic cause I totally do care about my friends and they know that. Roxie I have seen the vid and he makes great points but you can joke and still have love for people. I think everyone jokes about race to some extent. It doesn’t mean they don’t care about what is going on. It does go too far every once in a while but I really do joke with my friends not just about race but other things too and of course we don’t mean it. IDK perhaps we could tone it down? Maybe there really is a way to joke about race without being apathetic cause I totally do care about my friends and they know that.

]]> By: Roxie http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/#comment-241115 Roxie Sat, 09 May 2009 21:15:40 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13266#comment-241115 Really? Maybe Jay Smooth's video might help clear some things up for you http://www.illdoctrine.com/2009/05/asher_roth_and_the_racial_cros.html Really? Maybe Jay Smooth’s video might help clear some things up for you
http://www.illdoctrine.com/2009/05/asher_roth_and_the_racial_cros.html

]]> By: DMoney http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/#comment-241033 DMoney Sat, 09 May 2009 05:34:21 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13266#comment-241033 Latoya's post is great - I particularly like Levine's comments: http://socialsciencelite.blogspot.com/2009/04/asher-roth-is-anti-white-guilt.html Latoya’s post is great – I particularly like Levine’s comments: http://socialsciencelite.blogspot.com/2009/04/asher-roth-is-anti-white-guilt.html

]]> By: Really? http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/#comment-240827 Really? Fri, 08 May 2009 00:37:54 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13266#comment-240827 he knew that because he is skinny and white everyone would find it funny. he is not making fun of d'angelo. He's a huge fan of him. I have had white friends say something stupid to me and have had to call them out on it. It didn't mean that they were racist but they just didn't realize what they said could be offensive. My mother has said things in front of white people about white people and totally is not a racist. There is racism and there is racial stupidity. Most rappers are not from the suburbs so most of their audiences can not fully relate this is true. Why he racist for saying that? I am black and from the suburbs and I love Tupac. Dear Mama makes me cry everytime I hear it but my life and relationship with my mom is absolutely nothing like that but it isn't offensive when I say that? I think we should be teaching Asher Roth rather than making assumptions about someone we haven't really tried to get to know. I have his cd and read his interviews and he seems like a cool guy who does nothing but praise his favorite rap artists Mos Def and The Roots. If he was racist do you think The Roots of all people would invite him to perform with them? They are not stupid. It's not really Asher Roth I'm defending here, it's that we're calling this guy a racist because of what he has learned FROM Hip-Hop. How many black artists have trashed other black artists about not doing anything to help others and about being too flashy? All of a sudden a white guy says it and he is racist? IDK maybe it's because I'm 18 and most of (maybe not all) but most of the people my age that I know make fun of race all the time. I grew up watching comedians poke fun at race and being around my friends of many different races who can openly joke about and poke fun at race. Maybe it makes it harder for me to be super offended by some of this. Or maybe we're reading way too much into Asher Roth. IDK I just don't get a racist vibe from him and most of the young people I know don't either. They just think he is not that awesome of a rapper. (Which he is not. Have you ever heard him freestyle? If not, don't subject yourself to it. It is really a hard thing to watch.) he knew that because he is skinny and white everyone would find it funny. he is not making fun of d’angelo. He’s a huge fan of him. I have had white friends say something stupid to me and have had to call them out on it. It didn’t mean that they were racist but they just didn’t realize what they said could be offensive. My mother has said things in front of white people about white people and totally is not a racist. There is racism and there is racial stupidity. Most rappers are not from the suburbs so most of their audiences can not fully relate this is true. Why he racist for saying that? I am black and from the suburbs and I love Tupac. Dear Mama makes me cry everytime I hear it but my life and relationship with my mom is absolutely nothing like that but it isn’t offensive when I say that? I think we should be teaching Asher Roth rather than making assumptions about someone we haven’t really tried to get to know. I have his cd and read his interviews and he seems like a cool guy who does nothing but praise his favorite rap artists Mos Def and The Roots. If he was racist do you think The Roots of all people would invite him to perform with them? They are not stupid. It’s not really Asher Roth I’m defending here, it’s that we’re calling this guy a racist because of what he has learned FROM Hip-Hop. How many black artists have trashed other black artists about not doing anything to help others and about being too flashy? All of a sudden a white guy says it and he is racist? IDK maybe it’s because I’m 18 and most of (maybe not all) but most of the people my age that I know make fun of race all the time. I grew up watching comedians poke fun at race and being around my friends of many different races who can openly joke about and poke fun at race. Maybe it makes it harder for me to be super offended by some of this. Or maybe we’re reading way too much into Asher Roth. IDK I just don’t get a racist vibe from him and most of the young people I know don’t either. They just think he is not that awesome of a rapper. (Which he is not. Have you ever heard him freestyle? If not, don’t subject yourself to it. It is really a hard thing to watch.)

]]> By: G.D. http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/#comment-240762 G.D. Thu, 07 May 2009 18:31:17 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13266#comment-240762 Well said, Opoponax. Well said, Opoponax.

]]> By: leia http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/#comment-240634 leia Thu, 07 May 2009 00:33:59 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13266#comment-240634 Also Roth is a D-Bag. Also Roth is a D-Bag.

]]> By: leia http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/#comment-240633 leia Thu, 07 May 2009 00:32:42 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13266#comment-240633 really?grow up about the nappy headed ho's comment? it would have been smart if he took another root, perhaps saying something about imus and not making the same damn joke! are you a black women or a women at all for that matter? if not you will never have the slightest clue of how that comment strikes a nerve you grow the hell up and listen. really?grow up about the nappy headed ho’s comment? it would have been smart if he took another root, perhaps saying something about imus and not making the same damn joke!

are you a black women or a women at all for that matter? if not you will never have the slightest clue of how that comment strikes a nerve you grow the hell up and listen.

]]> By: Jack M http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/#comment-240570 Jack M Wed, 06 May 2009 19:52:34 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13266#comment-240570 I don't really like Asher Roth at all but I see what he's saying regarding not relating to Hip Hop/Rap music. The problem was the rap/hip hop he was listening to, which is mainstream rap. Not all rappers talk about guns, ho's and money, but the mainstream does because it gets little white kids like Asher to buy it and think they're tough. At least he now can admit that, yeah he couldn't relate to it at all, and neither can 95% of people (white or black) who buy the CD's. I will say, people getting up in arms about his tweet about the nappy headed hos. Grow up people, you know he was mocking imus and to suggest that he was being racially insensitive is intellectually dishonest. I don’t really like Asher Roth at all but I see what he’s saying regarding not relating to Hip Hop/Rap music. The problem was the rap/hip hop he was listening to, which is mainstream rap. Not all rappers talk about guns, ho’s and money, but the mainstream does because it gets little white kids like Asher to buy it and think they’re tough.

At least he now can admit that, yeah he couldn’t relate to it at all, and neither can 95% of people (white or black) who buy the CD’s.

I will say, people getting up in arms about his tweet about the nappy headed hos. Grow up people, you know he was mocking imus and to suggest that he was being racially insensitive is intellectually dishonest.

]]> By: Thom http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/05/asher-roth-is-everything-that-is-wrong-with-the-world-take-two/#comment-240546 Thom Wed, 06 May 2009 17:06:07 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13266#comment-240546 --Nobody ever argues in these discussions that “rap is off-limits as a medium for white people or privileged people to participate in.” People only argue against it, pretending that that’s what other people are saying. -- Well, one of the people quoted in Latoya's excellent post pretty much does: [F]rom a certain angle, there’s just a shade of difference between white people rapping and white people telling nigger jokes. (written by Harry Allen) That's quite a blanket statement (though I will have to read his other writing alluded to in the quote, to see how the statement is nuanced). But other than that one person? I would have to agree. Especially considering people condemning Roth have brought up a number of white rappers who they see as legit rappers and worthy of being heard(hell, even if this had not happened, noone at either Feministe or Racialicious seem to be saying this as far as I can see). –Nobody ever argues in these discussions that “rap is off-limits as a medium for white people or privileged people to participate in.” People only argue against it, pretending that that’s what other people are saying. –

Well, one of the people quoted in Latoya’s excellent post pretty much does:
[F]rom a certain angle, there’s just a shade of difference between white people rapping and white people telling nigger jokes. (written by Harry Allen)

That’s quite a blanket statement (though I will have to read his other writing alluded to in the quote, to see how the statement is nuanced). But other than that one person? I would have to agree. Especially considering people condemning Roth have brought up a number of white rappers who they see as legit rappers and worthy of being heard(hell, even if this had not happened, noone at either Feministe or Racialicious seem to be saying this as far as I can see).

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