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	<title>Comments on: More racially-charged images starring Gisele</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Harumph</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/06/more-racially-charged-images-starring-gisele/#comment-241488</link>
		<dc:creator>Harumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 04:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question of the &quot;social responsibility&quot; of art, in response to your question of dialogue versus indulgence, is a big one in the postmodern era.

Personally, I think art is that which is made to be seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of the &#8220;social responsibility&#8221; of art, in response to your question of dialogue versus indulgence, is a big one in the postmodern era.</p>
<p>Personally, I think art is that which is made to be seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Cola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 17:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art is nothing without context. I&#039;ve been discussing this concept with several other artists online lately in regard to whether our illustrations or art or not. I&#039;ve been insisting that my illustrations are not art, because in their context, they say nothing new or interesting and are purely self indulgent. Which is fine with me. I&#039;ve created art, I make art. There&#039;s not need for me to insist that everything I make is ART. 

And I mention all that just to make it clear to those who don&#039;t want to hear it that context isn&#039;t only important when race is concerned. It&#039;s always important (how else do you know the difference between your right hand and the right thing to do?). 

In our society, you can&#039;t ignore the context of these images. I know the photographers didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art is nothing without context. I&#8217;ve been discussing this concept with several other artists online lately in regard to whether our illustrations or art or not. I&#8217;ve been insisting that my illustrations are not art, because in their context, they say nothing new or interesting and are purely self indulgent. Which is fine with me. I&#8217;ve created art, I make art. There&#8217;s not need for me to insist that everything I make is ART. </p>
<p>And I mention all that just to make it clear to those who don&#8217;t want to hear it that context isn&#8217;t only important when race is concerned. It&#8217;s always important (how else do you know the difference between your right hand and the right thing to do?). </p>
<p>In our society, you can&#8217;t ignore the context of these images. I know the photographers didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: elle</title>
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		<dc:creator>elle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the absence of clothes - I think the &quot;fashion&quot; is swimsuits, and maybe more importantly jewelry?  If you look at the last picture shown at Racialicious, there&#039;s a lot of emphasis on the jewelry.  

In the context created by the other images, it made me think of the line from &lt;em&gt;Romeo and Juliet&lt;/em&gt;: &quot;she hangs upon the cheek of night / Like a rich jewel in an Ethiop&#039;s ear.&quot;

I wonder if that was part of the inspiration for the shoot?  I don&#039;t mean that to excuse it in any way - it&#039;s dehumanizing to the men, and it&#039;s obviously unacceptable to take your idea of race relations from the 16th century.  But I think that image captures two competing points here - yes, it&#039;s about visual contrast, but yes, it&#039;s also racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the absence of clothes &#8211; I think the &#8220;fashion&#8221; is swimsuits, and maybe more importantly jewelry?  If you look at the last picture shown at Racialicious, there&#8217;s a lot of emphasis on the jewelry.  </p>
<p>In the context created by the other images, it made me think of the line from <em>Romeo and Juliet</em>: &#8220;she hangs upon the cheek of night / Like a rich jewel in an Ethiop&#8217;s ear.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if that was part of the inspiration for the shoot?  I don&#8217;t mean that to excuse it in any way &#8211; it&#8217;s dehumanizing to the men, and it&#8217;s obviously unacceptable to take your idea of race relations from the 16th century.  But I think that image captures two competing points here &#8211; yes, it&#8217;s about visual contrast, but yes, it&#8217;s also racist.</p>
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		<title>By: UnFit</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnFit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doh! Quote thingy didn&#039;t work. What I was laughing at was summo&#039;s puzzlement at the lack of clothing in a fashion photograph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doh! Quote thingy didn&#8217;t work. What I was laughing at was summo&#8217;s puzzlement at the lack of clothing in a fashion photograph.</p>
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		<title>By: UnFit</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnFit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;I’ll always wonder how it can be a fashion photograph when there aren’t any, you know, clothes?&quot;&gt;

Hahaha, so true!&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<p>Hahaha, so true!</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: UnFit</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/06/more-racially-charged-images-starring-gisele/#comment-240775</link>
		<dc:creator>UnFit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, thanks for the little history lesson.
Partly, I&#039;ve been blinded by my own fixation on Europe as Northern Europe (well, okay, we *are* talking about a Norwegian photographer) and as someone pointed out, African slavery is not as much part of our cultural/delivere history.

Actually, the only reason I know that Germany even had colonies in Africa is tha a friend mof mine married a woman from Kamerun, and they were both heavily into post colonial politics. It&#039;s not something that is generally talked about here - definitely not in History class. 

But yes, all that said: the photographer being European doesn&#039;t make the whole thing one bit better, no matter if he lives in London or wherever.

Oh, and Belledame: we have those sweets too. Some time in the early 90&#039;s, they were renamed from &quot;negro kisses&quot; to &quot;chocolate kisses&quot;, but some people still use the old name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, thanks for the little history lesson.<br />
Partly, I&#8217;ve been blinded by my own fixation on Europe as Northern Europe (well, okay, we *are* talking about a Norwegian photographer) and as someone pointed out, African slavery is not as much part of our cultural/delivere history.</p>
<p>Actually, the only reason I know that Germany even had colonies in Africa is tha a friend mof mine married a woman from Kamerun, and they were both heavily into post colonial politics. It&#8217;s not something that is generally talked about here &#8211; definitely not in History class. </p>
<p>But yes, all that said: the photographer being European doesn&#8217;t make the whole thing one bit better, no matter if he lives in London or wherever.</p>
<p>Oh, and Belledame: we have those sweets too. Some time in the early 90&#8242;s, they were renamed from &#8220;negro kisses&#8221; to &#8220;chocolate kisses&#8221;, but some people still use the old name.</p>
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		<title>By: smmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>smmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t think fashion photography is being clueless and insular here, these pictures are a cynical ploy for attention. The industry groks trolling. These pictures deliberately flirt with controversy.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, this.  Bundchen is famously married to The Star ( White of Course ) Quarterback™  so nobody will worry that the sexuality depicted is to be taken seriously.  Phew, she&#039;s safe.  

I&#039;ll always wonder how it can be a fashion photograph when there aren&#039;t any, you know, clothes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t think fashion photography is being clueless and insular here, these pictures are a cynical ploy for attention. The industry groks trolling. These pictures deliberately flirt with controversy.</i></p>
<p>Yes, this.  Bundchen is famously married to The Star ( White of Course ) Quarterback™  so nobody will worry that the sexuality depicted is to be taken seriously.  Phew, she&#8217;s safe.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll always wonder how it can be a fashion photograph when there aren&#8217;t any, you know, clothes?</p>
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		<title>By: piny</title>
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		<dc:creator>piny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You also can’t just “whitewash” a scene like this by having the woman smile. The scene of a black male figure carrying off a white female figure is laden with centuries and centuries of baggage. Just putting on a smile doesn’t break that. There’s no story here, no complexity, just an image. And a positive expression just confuses things, doesn’t resolve them. (plus yeah, what belledame and snowdropexplodes said. of course.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What Holly said in all, but to add on to the quoted bit:

We also have to remember that &quot;rape&quot; is not always defined as injury of a woman--in fact, the traditional definition of rape was theft or vandalism of male property.  Rape was often depicted with the kind of terror and horror that you&#039;d expect from any victim of assault, but I think this had as much to do with virtuous womanhood than with acknowledging female subjectivity.  

Alongside that, though, there was a lot of male paranoia about what women might get up to if they weren&#039;t properly controlled.  They didn&#039;t own their bodies, so they didn&#039;t have independent interest in chastity.  Maintaining the purity of the white woman also meant regulating white women--and constructing female sexuality as permanently selfless and virginal.  And a culture that sees female sexuality as fulfilled only in passive submission to men will have complicated suspicions about what women might want.  

In other words, a happy expression on the face of Gisele doesn&#039;t necessarily release this image from the history of white male paranoia about black men and black male sexuality.  It might latch onto an even more pernicious set of fears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You also can’t just “whitewash” a scene like this by having the woman smile. The scene of a black male figure carrying off a white female figure is laden with centuries and centuries of baggage. Just putting on a smile doesn’t break that. There’s no story here, no complexity, just an image. And a positive expression just confuses things, doesn’t resolve them. (plus yeah, what belledame and snowdropexplodes said. of course.)</p></blockquote>
<p>What Holly said in all, but to add on to the quoted bit:</p>
<p>We also have to remember that &#8220;rape&#8221; is not always defined as injury of a woman&#8211;in fact, the traditional definition of rape was theft or vandalism of male property.  Rape was often depicted with the kind of terror and horror that you&#8217;d expect from any victim of assault, but I think this had as much to do with virtuous womanhood than with acknowledging female subjectivity.  </p>
<p>Alongside that, though, there was a lot of male paranoia about what women might get up to if they weren&#8217;t properly controlled.  They didn&#8217;t own their bodies, so they didn&#8217;t have independent interest in chastity.  Maintaining the purity of the white woman also meant regulating white women&#8211;and constructing female sexuality as permanently selfless and virginal.  And a culture that sees female sexuality as fulfilled only in passive submission to men will have complicated suspicions about what women might want.  </p>
<p>In other words, a happy expression on the face of Gisele doesn&#8217;t necessarily release this image from the history of white male paranoia about black men and black male sexuality.  It might latch onto an even more pernicious set of fears.</p>
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		<title>By: Otown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stunning, yes. Creepy, yes. Not to derail, but whatever PhotoMagic they did to make his right quad the size of Kentucky- distracts from the other conflicting reactions to the photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stunning, yes. Creepy, yes. Not to derail, but whatever PhotoMagic they did to make his right quad the size of Kentucky- distracts from the other conflicting reactions to the photo.</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
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		<dc:creator>belledame222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And they would never ever make any openly racist slurs. After all, they *love* it that we’re different, right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, absolutely.  Which is totally why as recently as at least last decade (could still be true for all I know), you could buy a (rather delicious, but still) round chocolate and meringue confection in a Parisian bakery with the moniker &quot;tete de negre.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And they would never ever make any openly racist slurs. After all, they *love* it that we’re different, right?</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, absolutely.  Which is totally why as recently as at least last decade (could still be true for all I know), you could buy a (rather delicious, but still) round chocolate and meringue confection in a Parisian bakery with the moniker &#8220;tete de negre.&#8221;</p>
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