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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I got married, I saw the withdrawal method as the way to go.  I am allergic to condoms and birth control pills made me moody, so I decided to give it a try.

Fast forward 6 years and I am completely, completely miserable because of it.  After I got pregnant with our planned son/honeymoon baby, the honeymoon was OVER.  My husband has a spotless record of control using withdrawal, which is the only reason I would recommend it.

I haven&#039;t had an orgasm in such a long, long time.  6 years to be exact.  Withdrawal ruins the connection that comes at the height of passion when your husband is suddenly ejaculating on his shirt instead of inside you.  Sex has become tedious especially with a husband who doesn&#039;t really believe in foreplay, except once every 6 months or so.  Withdrawal=Glorified masturbation in my world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I got married, I saw the withdrawal method as the way to go.  I am allergic to condoms and birth control pills made me moody, so I decided to give it a try.</p>
<p>Fast forward 6 years and I am completely, completely miserable because of it.  After I got pregnant with our planned son/honeymoon baby, the honeymoon was OVER.  My husband has a spotless record of control using withdrawal, which is the only reason I would recommend it.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had an orgasm in such a long, long time.  6 years to be exact.  Withdrawal ruins the connection that comes at the height of passion when your husband is suddenly ejaculating on his shirt instead of inside you.  Sex has become tedious especially with a husband who doesn&#8217;t really believe in foreplay, except once every 6 months or so.  Withdrawal=Glorified masturbation in my world.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ_Relic</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ_Relic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is an incredibly informative comment thread, and totally unexpected because I have a certain bias against the pull-out method. My ex-husband used withdrawal with previous partners, and of course I found out after we got married that he had two kids. I&#039;m assuming now that he was doing it way way wrong. My current partner uses withdrawal on top of condoms on top of me having the non-hormonal IUD. Lets just say he is a tad paranoid of parenthood, and I appreciate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is an incredibly informative comment thread, and totally unexpected because I have a certain bias against the pull-out method. My ex-husband used withdrawal with previous partners, and of course I found out after we got married that he had two kids. I&#8217;m assuming now that he was doing it way way wrong. My current partner uses withdrawal on top of condoms on top of me having the non-hormonal IUD. Lets just say he is a tad paranoid of parenthood, and I appreciate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ursula L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ursula L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That’s bizarre. It’s not like he really has anything to do with it aside from understanding and respecting that you’ll have to abstain or rubber up around the ovulation window. &lt;/i&gt; 

I expect that there is  a strong element of belief that you shouldn&#039;t be having sex unless your married, so if you don&#039;t have a husband, you don&#039;t need to know NFP/FAM methods.  

But also, I&#039;d think that the more that a partner understands about the method, the more likely they are to cooperate.  In general, people do better with things when they understand why, and when they feel part of the process.  The difference between &quot;you&#039;ll be rubbering up or abstaining when I tell you&quot; versus &quot;we both pay attention to the chart, and know when and how we&#039;ll be enjoying sex together.&quot;  Takes the pressure off the woman to always be the one saying &quot;no&quot; and and having to maintain self-control, and allows the partner to know what to expect, sexually, rather than being left frustrated or confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That’s bizarre. It’s not like he really has anything to do with it aside from understanding and respecting that you’ll have to abstain or rubber up around the ovulation window. </i> </p>
<p>I expect that there is  a strong element of belief that you shouldn&#8217;t be having sex unless your married, so if you don&#8217;t have a husband, you don&#8217;t need to know NFP/FAM methods.  </p>
<p>But also, I&#8217;d think that the more that a partner understands about the method, the more likely they are to cooperate.  In general, people do better with things when they understand why, and when they feel part of the process.  The difference between &#8220;you&#8217;ll be rubbering up or abstaining when I tell you&#8221; versus &#8220;we both pay attention to the chart, and know when and how we&#8217;ll be enjoying sex together.&#8221;  Takes the pressure off the woman to always be the one saying &#8220;no&#8221; and and having to maintain self-control, and allows the partner to know what to expect, sexually, rather than being left frustrated or confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Hershele Ostropoler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hershele Ostropoler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think FAM is acceptable because the Church is unwilling to demand that people have sex (procreative sex being, after all, less virtuous than abstinence). Also, apparently God can&#039;t tell the difference between using fertility awareness and not using contraception at all, but knows if you&#039;re using HBC.

But, as my handle suggests, I&#039;m not Catholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think FAM is acceptable because the Church is unwilling to demand that people have sex (procreative sex being, after all, less virtuous than abstinence). Also, apparently God can&#8217;t tell the difference between using fertility awareness and not using contraception at all, but knows if you&#8217;re using HBC.</p>
<p>But, as my handle suggests, I&#8217;m not Catholic.</p>
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		<title>By: FilthyGrandeur</title>
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		<dc:creator>FilthyGrandeur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 14:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in my last comment i meant that for jesse--not sure why i typed in jill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my last comment i meant that for jesse&#8211;not sure why i typed in jill</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
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		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 11:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another anecdotal story of &quot;It works for me&quot;.

My man &amp; I have used a combination of withdrawal &amp; condoms for 8 years, and no pregnancies.  He used it with his previous partner for 4 years.  He has excellent control, and also keeps himself less &quot;on edge&quot; by masturbating one or more times a day on average.
Plus, far nicer to have the semen wiped off my belly or back, than have to avoid a wet spot!  

He&#039;s always used it, even with condoms, just in case of breakage.  VERY rarely, he&#039;ll come inside a condom, IF it is a safe time of month.

I pay attention to my cervical mucus.  If it is clear &amp; slippery, we use a condom, or enjoy acts other than PVI.

I used to think I&#039;d never rely on withdrawal, but hormonal BC made me crazy/gave me major mood swings and crying; the cervical cap HURT when his penis bumped up against it, and condoms are expensive [and sometimes Really irritate my skin!]

I have had a friend who, not knowing my situation, said that women would NEVER choose withdrawal if they really had a choice, so I&#039;ve experienced the shame, too... and I&#039;m an educated woman.

Thanks to others for sharing their stories.  I&#039;m strongly considering an IUD, for more protection, but I&#039;m scared, too, of the pain.  Has to hurt less than a kid, though, right?   ;p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another anecdotal story of &#8220;It works for me&#8221;.</p>
<p>My man &amp; I have used a combination of withdrawal &amp; condoms for 8 years, and no pregnancies.  He used it with his previous partner for 4 years.  He has excellent control, and also keeps himself less &#8220;on edge&#8221; by masturbating one or more times a day on average.<br />
Plus, far nicer to have the semen wiped off my belly or back, than have to avoid a wet spot!  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s always used it, even with condoms, just in case of breakage.  VERY rarely, he&#8217;ll come inside a condom, IF it is a safe time of month.</p>
<p>I pay attention to my cervical mucus.  If it is clear &amp; slippery, we use a condom, or enjoy acts other than PVI.</p>
<p>I used to think I&#8217;d never rely on withdrawal, but hormonal BC made me crazy/gave me major mood swings and crying; the cervical cap HURT when his penis bumped up against it, and condoms are expensive [and sometimes Really irritate my skin!]</p>
<p>I have had a friend who, not knowing my situation, said that women would NEVER choose withdrawal if they really had a choice, so I&#8217;ve experienced the shame, too&#8230; and I&#8217;m an educated woman.</p>
<p>Thanks to others for sharing their stories.  I&#8217;m strongly considering an IUD, for more protection, but I&#8217;m scared, too, of the pain.  Has to hurt less than a kid, though, right?   ;p</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 03:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>artdyke: 
Um, ok. I hope you also judge anyone who uses a cervical cap or any other form of barrier method also, considering PERFECT use percentages are around 85% effective (less if you&#039;ve had a child). Also, why are people assuming that &quot;perfect use&quot; for condoms mean one thing, but something completely different for withdrawal? Seems like bias (probably from inaccurate sex ed or bc manufacturing propaganda). 

It&#039;s really irritating for people to be like, &quot;this is my experience, therefore, let me universalize to yours as well.&quot; Bc is a private decision, in which women make risk/benefit choices. Some people want a method that&#039;s 99.9% effective, some are fine with 98%, 97%, or 96%. If you&#039;re not, then pick a more effective method. If you are fine with a 4% (or 15% or 2%) chance of getting pregnant every year, fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>artdyke:<br />
Um, ok. I hope you also judge anyone who uses a cervical cap or any other form of barrier method also, considering PERFECT use percentages are around 85% effective (less if you&#8217;ve had a child). Also, why are people assuming that &#8220;perfect use&#8221; for condoms mean one thing, but something completely different for withdrawal? Seems like bias (probably from inaccurate sex ed or bc manufacturing propaganda). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really irritating for people to be like, &#8220;this is my experience, therefore, let me universalize to yours as well.&#8221; Bc is a private decision, in which women make risk/benefit choices. Some people want a method that&#8217;s 99.9% effective, some are fine with 98%, 97%, or 96%. If you&#8217;re not, then pick a more effective method. If you are fine with a 4% (or 15% or 2%) chance of getting pregnant every year, fine.</p>
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		<title>By: roses</title>
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		<dc:creator>roses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 02:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Don’t Catholics still do the rhythm method, which doesn’t work worth a hill of beans, rather than modern NFP/FAM, which does? &lt;/i&gt;

No.  We were taught NFP in sex ed class at my Catholic school.  The (current) rationale for NFP being okay and other methods not is that NFP is &quot;natural&quot; where other methods are &quot;artificial&quot;.  Why that makes a moral difference, I&#039;m not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Don’t Catholics still do the rhythm method, which doesn’t work worth a hill of beans, rather than modern NFP/FAM, which does? </i></p>
<p>No.  We were taught NFP in sex ed class at my Catholic school.  The (current) rationale for NFP being okay and other methods not is that NFP is &#8220;natural&#8221; where other methods are &#8220;artificial&#8221;.  Why that makes a moral difference, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: chingona</title>
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		<dc:creator>chingona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 02:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;4 out of every 100 times. how often do you have sex?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not 4 out of 100 times. It&#039;s 4 out of 100 sexually active women over a yearlong period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>4 out of every 100 times. how often do you have sex?</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not 4 out of 100 times. It&#8217;s 4 out of 100 sexually active women over a yearlong period.</p>
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		<title>By: chingona</title>
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		<dc:creator>chingona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 02:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t Catholics still do the rhythm method, which doesn’t work worth a hill of beans, rather than modern NFP/FAM, which does? I mean, the last Catholic justification for why rhythm method is okay is basically that it doesn’t fucking work, so it’s not really non-procreative sex.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have never received a satisfactory answer on the theology of it, but the FAM/NFP is okay by the Catholic Church. When my friend asked her provider about that method, she was referred to a nurse at a local Catholic hospital who runs the most comprehensive counseling session on how to use the method in our metro area. I have also in Latin America come across women doing community work for Catholic groups who teach women how to use NFP/FAM.

Again, I have asked many people to explain to me why that&#039;s okay but not condoms, and I have never received a good answer. The answer seems to be that it&#039;s working with your body and that you&#039;re still &quot;open&quot; to having a child (which technically would be true of any method if the woman believed she wouldn&#039;t have an abortion if she got pregnant, and you can argue that the pill works with your body, so, like I said, less than satisfactory, but I&#039;m not Catholic). 

Obviously, any women here who use FAM with condoms during the fertile period and a plan to have an abortion if they get pregnant are not doing it the way the Church had in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don’t Catholics still do the rhythm method, which doesn’t work worth a hill of beans, rather than modern NFP/FAM, which does? I mean, the last Catholic justification for why rhythm method is okay is basically that it doesn’t fucking work, so it’s not really non-procreative sex.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have never received a satisfactory answer on the theology of it, but the FAM/NFP is okay by the Catholic Church. When my friend asked her provider about that method, she was referred to a nurse at a local Catholic hospital who runs the most comprehensive counseling session on how to use the method in our metro area. I have also in Latin America come across women doing community work for Catholic groups who teach women how to use NFP/FAM.</p>
<p>Again, I have asked many people to explain to me why that&#8217;s okay but not condoms, and I have never received a good answer. The answer seems to be that it&#8217;s working with your body and that you&#8217;re still &#8220;open&#8221; to having a child (which technically would be true of any method if the woman believed she wouldn&#8217;t have an abortion if she got pregnant, and you can argue that the pill works with your body, so, like I said, less than satisfactory, but I&#8217;m not Catholic). </p>
<p>Obviously, any women here who use FAM with condoms during the fertile period and a plan to have an abortion if they get pregnant are not doing it the way the Church had in mind.</p>
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