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		<title>By: links for 2009-06-14 &#171; Embololalia</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/22/lady-looks-like-a-dude/#comment-246014</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-06-14 &#171; Embololalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feministe » Lady Looks Like a Dude Underneath the first level of explanation, there’s still a deeper problem. You can’t criticize Coulter or Obama for being “mannish,” for “not having much to flaunt,” or for failing at the game of being “pretty and feminine” without buying into the idea that you can and should grade people on these matters. For fuck’s sake, some of this “criticism” is about the shape of individual women’s skeletons: her jaw’s too square, she’s too tall and she shows off her arms! This is Feminism 101: the whole system of evaluation stinks to high heaven in the first place. If you choose to wield it as a weapon, and you won’t acknowledge the inherent problems even when you think your target is An Awful Person, well… you’re in the company of geniuses like Jay Mohr. Enjoy the gutter. (tags: obamafamily misogyny bodypolitics transphobia slurs)   Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Prosecuting an Ideology: Reflections on the Duke Lacrosse Rape CaseRapeshit Revisited: Cry Wolf, Fire, Rape, Whatever.The N-word: Whoâ€™s allowed? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Feministe » Lady Looks Like a Dude Underneath the first level of explanation, there’s still a deeper problem. You can’t criticize Coulter or Obama for being “mannish,” for “not having much to flaunt,” or for failing at the game of being “pretty and feminine” without buying into the idea that you can and should grade people on these matters. For fuck’s sake, some of this “criticism” is about the shape of individual women’s skeletons: her jaw’s too square, she’s too tall and she shows off her arms! This is Feminism 101: the whole system of evaluation stinks to high heaven in the first place. If you choose to wield it as a weapon, and you won’t acknowledge the inherent problems even when you think your target is An Awful Person, well… you’re in the company of geniuses like Jay Mohr. Enjoy the gutter. (tags: obamafamily misogyny bodypolitics transphobia slurs)   Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Prosecuting an Ideology: Reflections on the Duke Lacrosse Rape CaseRapeshit Revisited: Cry Wolf, Fire, Rape, Whatever.The N-word: Whoâ€™s allowed? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-06-13 &#171; Embololalia</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/22/lady-looks-like-a-dude/#comment-245914</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-06-13 &#171; Embololalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feministe » Lady Looks Like a Dude Underneath the first level of explanation, there’s still a deeper problem. You can’t criticize Coulter or Obama for being “mannish,” for “not having much to flaunt,” or for failing at the game of being “pretty and feminine” without buying into the idea that you can and should grade people on these matters. For fuck’s sake, some of this “criticism” is about the shape of individual women’s skeletons: her jaw’s too square, she’s too tall and she shows off her arms! This is Feminism 101: the whole system of evaluation stinks to high heaven in the first place. If you choose to wield it as a weapon, and you won’t acknowledge the inherent problems even when you think your target is An Awful Person, well… you’re in the company of geniuses like Jay Mohr. Enjoy the gutter. (tags: obamafamily misogyny bodypolitics transphobia slurs) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Feministe » Lady Looks Like a Dude Underneath the first level of explanation, there’s still a deeper problem. You can’t criticize Coulter or Obama for being “mannish,” for “not having much to flaunt,” or for failing at the game of being “pretty and feminine” without buying into the idea that you can and should grade people on these matters. For fuck’s sake, some of this “criticism” is about the shape of individual women’s skeletons: her jaw’s too square, she’s too tall and she shows off her arms! This is Feminism 101: the whole system of evaluation stinks to high heaven in the first place. If you choose to wield it as a weapon, and you won’t acknowledge the inherent problems even when you think your target is An Awful Person, well… you’re in the company of geniuses like Jay Mohr. Enjoy the gutter. (tags: obamafamily misogyny bodypolitics transphobia slurs) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Temporis</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/22/lady-looks-like-a-dude/#comment-243073</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Temporis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Budweiser better than Guinness?  Really?
We shouldn&#039;t make fun; he&#039;s obviously delusional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Budweiser better than Guinness?  Really?<br />
We shouldn&#8217;t make fun; he&#8217;s obviously delusional.</p>
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		<title>By: wiggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 23:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sort of OT but have any of y&#039;all seen Jay Mohr&#039;s stand-up? I watched a special he had on Comedy Central once and OMG what an idiot! Like he calls English guys (all of them) sissies for having English accents. He&#039;s that much of a tool. 
He also says Budweiser is better than Guinness. I mean seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of OT but have any of y&#8217;all seen Jay Mohr&#8217;s stand-up? I watched a special he had on Comedy Central once and OMG what an idiot! Like he calls English guys (all of them) sissies for having English accents. He&#8217;s that much of a tool.<br />
He also says Budweiser is better than Guinness. I mean seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: r.</title>
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		<dc:creator>r.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s always the dudes that are insecure in their masculinity who are so damned worried about policing the level of femininity in women.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

... or otherwise it&#039;s the women who enjoy that they may benefit from putting down others for not coming up to par femininity-wise. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Stereotype sure, but no less true.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

yes, even if they&#039;re stereotypes, they illuminate the basic mechanism at work here: these kinds of &quot;jokes&quot; are all about people choosing to perpetuate a gender dynamic that&#039;s fucked up. even when they&#039;re aware it&#039;s fucked up, people collude with it all the time. and if we ever wonder how that happens, &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt;, right here, is an example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s always the dudes that are insecure in their masculinity who are so damned worried about policing the level of femininity in women.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; or otherwise it&#8217;s the women who enjoy that they may benefit from putting down others for not coming up to par femininity-wise. </p>
<blockquote><p>Stereotype sure, but no less true.</p></blockquote>
<p>yes, even if they&#8217;re stereotypes, they illuminate the basic mechanism at work here: these kinds of &#8220;jokes&#8221; are all about people choosing to perpetuate a gender dynamic that&#8217;s fucked up. even when they&#8217;re aware it&#8217;s fucked up, people collude with it all the time. and if we ever wonder how that happens, <em>this</em>, right here, is an example.</p>
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		<title>By: On joy, jokes, transphobic jokes, and apologies &#171; Jesurgislac&#8217;s Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/05/22/lady-looks-like-a-dude/#comment-242844</link>
		<dc:creator>On joy, jokes, transphobic jokes, and apologies &#171; Jesurgislac&#8217;s Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 16:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] people feel free to mock a trans person for being &#8220;a big tranny bastard&#8221;, for being lady looks like a dude. Yet for a trans person finally to be able to break out of the cocoon, spread their wings, and be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] people feel free to mock a trans person for being &#8220;a big tranny bastard&#8221;, for being lady looks like a dude. Yet for a trans person finally to be able to break out of the cocoon, spread their wings, and be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sophonisba</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophonisba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 01:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee: I absolutely agree that mainstream American femininity is a rigged and racist game; sorry I didn&#039;t convey it well but that&#039;s what I meant to imply, that there is nothing meaningfully feminine about long hair, straight hair, straightened hair, or white women&#039;s hair.  

I used the word in scare quotes because femininity as it is applied to immutable physical characteristics isn&#039;t real; it&#039;s not even a meaningful cultural construct the way silks and velvets and the color pink can be said to be feminine--when people talk about naturally occurring bodies and hair types being feminine,  rather than female, all they&#039;re doing is extending or withdrawing the patronizing hand of patriarchal approval. It&#039;s only about power, not aesthetics, whatever they claim. So I sometimes feel like stressing how white women aren&#039;t any more feminine than anybody else lends a false legitimacy to the very concept of the physical feminine, which I do not like to do. But I nevertheless see that you are right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee: I absolutely agree that mainstream American femininity is a rigged and racist game; sorry I didn&#8217;t convey it well but that&#8217;s what I meant to imply, that there is nothing meaningfully feminine about long hair, straight hair, straightened hair, or white women&#8217;s hair.  </p>
<p>I used the word in scare quotes because femininity as it is applied to immutable physical characteristics isn&#8217;t real; it&#8217;s not even a meaningful cultural construct the way silks and velvets and the color pink can be said to be feminine&#8211;when people talk about naturally occurring bodies and hair types being feminine,  rather than female, all they&#8217;re doing is extending or withdrawing the patronizing hand of patriarchal approval. It&#8217;s only about power, not aesthetics, whatever they claim. So I sometimes feel like stressing how white women aren&#8217;t any more feminine than anybody else lends a false legitimacy to the very concept of the physical feminine, which I do not like to do. But I nevertheless see that you are right.</p>
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		<title>By: Femmostroppo Reader - May 24, 2009 &#8212; Hoyden About Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Femmostroppo Reader - May 24, 2009 &#8212; Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 23:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amandaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>amandaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 20:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Policing the boundaries of gender: a beloved feminist passtime.

We are spending our time telling people they don&#039;t conform well enough to society&#039;s standards of gender presentation. This is, of course, a totally worthwhile endeavor for someone committed to gender justice.

It sure is funny when a person tries to pretend to be something they&#039;re not!

You know, because Ann Coulter is &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; a MAN but is pathetically trying to look female.

What does this say about how we really think of transfolk? What are you &quot;really&quot;? Do we really support your right to self-determination if we&#039;re busy using your image as a weapon against people we find distasteful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Policing the boundaries of gender: a beloved feminist passtime.</p>
<p>We are spending our time telling people they don&#8217;t conform well enough to society&#8217;s standards of gender presentation. This is, of course, a totally worthwhile endeavor for someone committed to gender justice.</p>
<p>It sure is funny when a person tries to pretend to be something they&#8217;re not!</p>
<p>You know, because Ann Coulter is <i>really</i> a MAN but is pathetically trying to look female.</p>
<p>What does this say about how we really think of transfolk? What are you &#8220;really&#8221;? Do we really support your right to self-determination if we&#8217;re busy using your image as a weapon against people we find distasteful?</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 20:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sophonisba
&lt;blockquote&gt;Meanwhile, Michelle Obama has as classic an hourglass shape as a woman can have, a pretty face, dresses in tailored skirts and dresses much of the time, and has long, salon-treated “feminine” hair. Even inasmuch as traditional femininity is defined by white stylistic norms, she even lives up to those when she chooses.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Okay I get where you were going with this but even in quotation marks the &quot;feminine hair&quot; routine is problematic.  Black hair that is untreated is just as feminine and desirable; it is whiteness that has chosen to see difference as less than.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sophonisba</p>
<blockquote><p>Meanwhile, Michelle Obama has as classic an hourglass shape as a woman can have, a pretty face, dresses in tailored skirts and dresses much of the time, and has long, salon-treated “feminine” hair. Even inasmuch as traditional femininity is defined by white stylistic norms, she even lives up to those when she chooses.</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay I get where you were going with this but even in quotation marks the &#8220;feminine hair&#8221; routine is problematic.  Black hair that is untreated is just as feminine and desirable; it is whiteness that has chosen to see difference as less than.</p>
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