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	<title>Comments on: With Dr. Tiller&#8217;s clinic closed, anti-choicers lack a target</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/08/with-dr-tillers-clinic-closed-anti-choicers-lack-a-target/#comment-245073</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That is, that there is no need for further moral consideraton.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Morality is between an individual and their god(s). I can&#039;t really argue whether any abortion is moral or immoral. Painting the discussion as one of moral consideration is a red herring. This is a discussion about rights. SCOTUS held that Neo-Nazis had the legal right to march through the largest community of holocaust survivors in the country. I think few people would make the case that such behavior was morally right, but the fact of the matter is that it is legally protected because some rights cannot be abridged unless their exercise causes material harm to a real and discrete individual. 

Like it or not, the law doesn&#039;t consider a fetus a person. Even if it did theres the competing right of the mother who might not want another person using her bodily resources and holing up in her abdomen for three quarters of a year. You couldn&#039;t demand the use of my spare bedroom because you were homeless, regardless of your relation to me. If you tried to enter my home by force I&#039;d be well within my rights to resist with violent (and lethal) force. The legal theory espoused by forced birth proponents essentially demands that women and a fetus have a legally unique relationship in which the needs or desires of the woman always (or almost always) come second.</description>
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<p>Morality is between an individual and their god(s). I can&#8217;t really argue whether any abortion is moral or immoral. Painting the discussion as one of moral consideration is a red herring. This is a discussion about rights. SCOTUS held that Neo-Nazis had the legal right to march through the largest community of holocaust survivors in the country. I think few people would make the case that such behavior was morally right, but the fact of the matter is that it is legally protected because some rights cannot be abridged unless their exercise causes material harm to a real and discrete individual. </p>
<p>Like it or not, the law doesn&#8217;t consider a fetus a person. Even if it did theres the competing right of the mother who might not want another person using her bodily resources and holing up in her abdomen for three quarters of a year. You couldn&#8217;t demand the use of my spare bedroom because you were homeless, regardless of your relation to me. If you tried to enter my home by force I&#8217;d be well within my rights to resist with violent (and lethal) force. The legal theory espoused by forced birth proponents essentially demands that women and a fetus have a legally unique relationship in which the needs or desires of the woman always (or almost always) come second.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is, that there is no need for further moral consideraton.</description>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of &quot;pro-life&quot; people who are not hypocrites, just as there are plenty of &quot;pro-choice&quot; people who consider abortion regrettable in most cases. The raving fringe of each group insists there is no moral issue at all here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of &#8220;pro-life&#8221; people who are not hypocrites, just as there are plenty of &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; people who consider abortion regrettable in most cases. The raving fringe of each group insists there is no moral issue at all here.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weirdly, I do think that Operation Rescue nutbar is sad that Tiller is gone. Because that clinic wasn&#039;t just Dr. Tiller&#039;s livelihood. It was Operation Rescue&#039;s. 

Newman arranged his entire life around that clinic--he uprooted his family and his &quot;business&quot; to revolve around it.

What a sad and pathetic waste of his time and energy, really. If he cared anything for the &quot;unborn&quot; he&#039;d work tirelessly to prevent unwanted pregnancy and make adoption more affordable for the middle class. But that goes for the lot of the &quot;pro-life&quot; community, hypocrites all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weirdly, I do think that Operation Rescue nutbar is sad that Tiller is gone. Because that clinic wasn&#8217;t just Dr. Tiller&#8217;s livelihood. It was Operation Rescue&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Newman arranged his entire life around that clinic&#8211;he uprooted his family and his &#8220;business&#8221; to revolve around it.</p>
<p>What a sad and pathetic waste of his time and energy, really. If he cared anything for the &#8220;unborn&#8221; he&#8217;d work tirelessly to prevent unwanted pregnancy and make adoption more affordable for the middle class. But that goes for the lot of the &#8220;pro-life&#8221; community, hypocrites all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaleesa</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/08/with-dr-tillers-clinic-closed-anti-choicers-lack-a-target/#comment-244902</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaleesa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering the same thing as bluedancer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering the same thing as bluedancer.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He is a terrorist. He admits knowledge of other pending terrorist operations. What will the administration do about this terrorist conspiracy?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If recent history is any indication they&#039;ll call for concilliation and dialog in order to find &quot;common ground,&quot; &quot;heal the wounds of our nation,&quot; and contribute to the recovery of the economy by stimulating the sagging Platitudes sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He is a terrorist. He admits knowledge of other pending terrorist operations. What will the administration do about this terrorist conspiracy?</p></blockquote>
<p>If recent history is any indication they&#8217;ll call for concilliation and dialog in order to find &#8220;common ground,&#8221; &#8220;heal the wounds of our nation,&#8221; and contribute to the recovery of the economy by stimulating the sagging Platitudes sector.</p>
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		<title>By: bluedancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluedancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand how the behavior described in the Rolling Stone article can be legal. Isn&#039;t that practically a textbook description of harassment and stalking? Are the laws that different in Kansas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how the behavior described in the Rolling Stone article can be legal. Isn&#8217;t that practically a textbook description of harassment and stalking? Are the laws that different in Kansas?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is a terrorist.  He admits knowledge of other pending terrorist operations.  What will the administration do about this terrorist conspiracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is a terrorist.  He admits knowledge of other pending terrorist operations.  What will the administration do about this terrorist conspiracy?</p>
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		<title>By: lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps stalking laws should be rewritten. What they are doing is harassment and stalking, clear and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps stalking laws should be rewritten. What they are doing is harassment and stalking, clear and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Rolling Stone article is profoundly disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Rolling Stone article is profoundly disturbing.</p>
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