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    Meredith 6.9.2009 at 10:29 am |

    “With women being stoned, raped, abused, battered, mutilated, and slaughtered on a daily basis across the globe, violence that is so often perpetrated in the name of religion, the most our president can speak about is protecting their right to wear the hijab? I would have been much more heartened if the preponderance of the speech had been about how in the 21st century, we CANNOT tolerate the pervasive abuse of our mothers and sisters and daughters.”

    The only sensible-ish reason I can think of for the omission is that Obama is aware that a lot of that happens in the U.S. every day? It might have been an even stronger speech had he acknowledged violence against women across the globe, including our own country.

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    tinfoil hattie 6.9.2009 at 10:36 am |

    “This is what a feminist looks like”?

    Ha.

    Is anyone really surprised by this? He’s no friend to women, never has been.

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    Geek 6.9.2009 at 10:56 am |

    What is a good solution to the problem that will solve the problem, not perpetuate it or extend it or make the US into even more of a meddler?

    Education will work, although it will take far too long. We can try to condemn these countries that stone women to death in the meantime, and maybe they’ll pretend to listen.

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    yeuxdefeu 6.9.2009 at 11:08 am |

    i actually really liked that he emphasized that women face issues of inequality all over the world, including within the US, which is often held up as the location of purely liberated women, in contrast with the ‘sadly oppressed’ women of other countries (particularly those countries that are predominantly muslim, or predominantly people of colour, or ‘developing’).

    i think that that kind of rhetoric (as in the kind he avoids) has led to an erasure of the specificity and power of local women’s organizing that does not have the same context as north american feminist movements, and a sense that north american (and often white) feminists need to swoop in and ‘save’ people who never asked for saving.

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    malathion 6.9.2009 at 12:08 pm |

    I think this is an unfair criticism. He spent many word on the concept of equality, and addressed the matter with a some welcome nuance by pointing out that just because a Muslim woman choses to wear a hijab does not mean she is not equal. It’s obvious to me, anyway, that the “women’s equality” of which he speaks includes the right not to be assaulted on the basis of gender. This was NOT just a speech about wearing hijab.

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    Daniel 6.9.2009 at 1:16 pm |

    It seems to me that this speech has been misread, significantly. Because you can’t boil it down to just being about women wearing hijabs without ignoring what Obama was talking about, with lines (quoted by Mr Daou, in fact!) about

    their [women's] choice

    in what they do, about the fact that

    [o]ur daughters can contribute just as much to society as our sons, and our common prosperity will be advanced by allowing all humanity – men and women – to reach their full potential.

    Mr Obama was explicit about women’s full equality and their rights, he was vocal about it, and didn’t talk about women’s rights in a nonexplicit way but mentioned specific areas and policies. Perhaps most important he talked clearly about the most significant longterm area for women’s right, education:

    a woman who is denied an education is denied equality

    If that’s being ambivalent about women’s rights, one point in a speech that was only an hour long and covered a wide variety of subjects, what would you prefer?

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    GallingGalla 6.9.2009 at 3:17 pm |

    example #bazillion why i consider obama to be center-right. and he seems to be drifting further right.

    still better than mccain, but very frustrating.

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    Fatemeh 6.9.2009 at 4:29 pm |

    I wrote a piece about this for DoubleX.

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    mark 6.9.2009 at 6:15 pm |

    Jill panted for Obama over Hillary, so please, why exactly should women listen to you now?
    I Doubt you will have the courage to post this (you refuse any comment critical of you), but perhaps you will put women first today, over your crushing on Obama ego.

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    octogalore 6.9.2009 at 7:37 pm |

    Yup.

    In addition to Daou’s point re the hijab language, some thoughts regarding the prosperity justification regarding women’s full education.

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    shah8 6.9.2009 at 8:47 pm |

    I’m not very simpathetic to the thrust of this post. Others have already said much I’d have said. I have a really hard time saying anything particularly unique except that people aren’t really thinking through what he said. He is a really good writer, and he is saying more than some here are giving him credit for. I just don’t know how to push that notion, though.

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    shah8 6.9.2009 at 8:48 pm |

    Well, I just read Fatemeh‘s post…

    yeah, that.

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    Natalie 6.10.2009 at 12:53 pm |

    The speech bothered me for exactly this reason. Obama said that he “was just saying what everyone knows”– and then adopted a faux disingenuity when talking about women’s rights.

    The issue of women wearing the hijab (a word Obama couldn’t even bother to pronounce correctly) does not exist in the middle east, that’s a problem in western europe and some parts of the US. Obama only affirmed a woman’s right to choose traditional choices– wearing a hijab and staying home. Everyone in the ME thinks women should have that right, conservatives, liberals, everyone. What is less clear is whether women have the opposite right.

    It’s well and good for Obama to talk about women’s education, but what if a woman is prohibited from working? Why would she “choose” education then? Is that, then, really a choice to stay home?

    It seemed to me that Obama was playing it extremely safe while using rhetoric to make it seem like he’s a reformer when he wasn’t acting like one.

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    Morningstar 6.10.2009 at 3:59 pm |

    “The issue of women wearing the hijab (a word Obama couldn’t even bother to pronounce correctly)”

    That was actually pretty funny, but I think it was more him trying too hard to pronounce it correctly, not him being blissfully ignorant.

    People started following his correct pronounciation of Pakistan but now my biggest fear in the world is that everyone will start calling the hijab the hijeeb.

    Ugh, big demerits for that.

    And Fatemah – I read your article a few days ago, it’s great.

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    mark 6.10.2009 at 5:41 pm |

    Jill says :
    Yes, I supported Obama in the primaries. Yes, I voted for him in the general election. But I’ve hardly turned a blind eye to his more problematic moments. I certainly haven’t put him “before” women — if you look through our archives, I rarely write about him. Next.

    being wrong counts for a lot, Jill. hindsight is nothing. you were just another of the so boring starstuck sexist girls voting your daddy card. the 90s is So over!

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