Comments on: Where were women in Obama’s Cairo speech? http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:14:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jill http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/#comment-245517 Jill Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:33:34 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13821#comment-245517 Again letting Mark's comment through for kicks. Mostly because I find it funny that he accuses me of voting the "daddy card," and then comes in here all Big Daddy-style to lecture the little women on how we voted wrong. Again letting Mark’s comment through for kicks. Mostly because I find it funny that he accuses me of voting the “daddy card,” and then comes in here all Big Daddy-style to lecture the little women on how we voted wrong.

]]> By: mark http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/#comment-245456 mark Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:41:54 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13821#comment-245456 Jill says : Yes, I supported Obama in the primaries. Yes, I voted for him in the general election. But I’ve hardly turned a blind eye to his more problematic moments. I certainly haven’t put him “before” women — if you look through our archives, I rarely write about him. Next. being wrong counts for a lot, Jill. hindsight is nothing. you were just another of the so boring starstuck sexist girls voting your daddy card. the 90s is So over! Jill says :
Yes, I supported Obama in the primaries. Yes, I voted for him in the general election. But I’ve hardly turned a blind eye to his more problematic moments. I certainly haven’t put him “before” women — if you look through our archives, I rarely write about him. Next.

being wrong counts for a lot, Jill. hindsight is nothing. you were just another of the so boring starstuck sexist girls voting your daddy card. the 90s is So over!

]]> By: Morningstar http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/#comment-245428 Morningstar Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:59:56 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13821#comment-245428 "The issue of women wearing the hijab (a word Obama couldn’t even bother to pronounce correctly)" That was actually pretty funny, but I think it was more him trying too hard to pronounce it correctly, not him being blissfully ignorant. People started following his correct pronounciation of Pakistan but now my biggest fear in the world is that everyone will start calling the hijab the hijeeb. Ugh, big demerits for that. And Fatemah - I read your article a few days ago, it's great. “The issue of women wearing the hijab (a word Obama couldn’t even bother to pronounce correctly)”

That was actually pretty funny, but I think it was more him trying too hard to pronounce it correctly, not him being blissfully ignorant.

People started following his correct pronounciation of Pakistan but now my biggest fear in the world is that everyone will start calling the hijab the hijeeb.

Ugh, big demerits for that.

And Fatemah – I read your article a few days ago, it’s great.

]]> By: Natalie http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/#comment-245342 Natalie Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:53:46 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13821#comment-245342 The speech bothered me for exactly this reason. Obama said that he "was just saying what everyone knows"-- and then adopted a faux disingenuity when talking about women's rights. The issue of women wearing the hijab (a word Obama couldn't even bother to pronounce correctly) does not exist in the middle east, that's a problem in western europe and some parts of the US. Obama only affirmed a woman's right to choose traditional choices-- wearing a hijab and staying home. Everyone in the ME thinks women should have that right, conservatives, liberals, everyone. What is less clear is whether women have the opposite right. It's well and good for Obama to talk about women's education, but what if a woman is prohibited from working? Why would she "choose" education then? Is that, then, really a choice to stay home? It seemed to me that Obama was playing it extremely safe while using rhetoric to make it seem like he's a reformer when he wasn't acting like one. The speech bothered me for exactly this reason. Obama said that he “was just saying what everyone knows”– and then adopted a faux disingenuity when talking about women’s rights.

The issue of women wearing the hijab (a word Obama couldn’t even bother to pronounce correctly) does not exist in the middle east, that’s a problem in western europe and some parts of the US. Obama only affirmed a woman’s right to choose traditional choices– wearing a hijab and staying home. Everyone in the ME thinks women should have that right, conservatives, liberals, everyone. What is less clear is whether women have the opposite right.

It’s well and good for Obama to talk about women’s education, but what if a woman is prohibited from working? Why would she “choose” education then? Is that, then, really a choice to stay home?

It seemed to me that Obama was playing it extremely safe while using rhetoric to make it seem like he’s a reformer when he wasn’t acting like one.

]]> By: Femmostroppo Reader - June 10, 2009 — Hoyden About Town http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/#comment-245212 Femmostroppo Reader - June 10, 2009 — Hoyden About Town Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:44:28 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13821#comment-245212 [...] Where were women in Obama’s Cairo speech? [...] [...] Where were women in Obama’s Cairo speech? [...]

]]> By: shah8 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/#comment-245199 shah8 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:48:53 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13821#comment-245199 Well, I just read <strong>Fatemeh</strong>'s post... yeah, that. Well, I just read Fatemeh‘s post…

yeah, that.

]]> By: shah8 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/#comment-245198 shah8 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:47:05 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13821#comment-245198 I'm not very simpathetic to the thrust of this post. Others have already said much I'd have said. I have a really hard time saying anything particularly unique except that people aren't really thinking through what he said. He is a really good writer, and he is saying more than some here are giving him credit for. I just don't know how to push that notion, though. I’m not very simpathetic to the thrust of this post. Others have already said much I’d have said. I have a really hard time saying anything particularly unique except that people aren’t really thinking through what he said. He is a really good writer, and he is saying more than some here are giving him credit for. I just don’t know how to push that notion, though.

]]> By: Jill http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/#comment-245195 Jill Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:25:36 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13821#comment-245195 Mark, you were banned a while ago, but I let your comment through for entertainment value. Perhaps I will put women first over my crushing Obama ego? Uh... you do realize that I've posted many, many times criticizing Obama -- including THIS VERY POST? Yes, I supported Obama in the primaries. Yes, I voted for him in the general election. But I've hardly turned a blind eye to his more problematic moments. I certainly haven't put him "before" women -- if you look through our archives, I rarely write about him. Next. Mark, you were banned a while ago, but I let your comment through for entertainment value. Perhaps I will put women first over my crushing Obama ego? Uh… you do realize that I’ve posted many, many times criticizing Obama — including THIS VERY POST?

Yes, I supported Obama in the primaries. Yes, I voted for him in the general election. But I’ve hardly turned a blind eye to his more problematic moments. I certainly haven’t put him “before” women — if you look through our archives, I rarely write about him. Next.

]]> By: octogalore http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/#comment-245179 octogalore Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:37:26 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13821#comment-245179 Yup. In addition to Daou's point re the hijab language, some <a href="http://octogalore.blogspot.com/2009/06/fairness.html" rel="nofollow">thoughts</a> regarding the prosperity justification regarding women's full education. Yup.

In addition to Daou’s point re the hijab language, some thoughts regarding the prosperity justification regarding women’s full education.

]]> By: mark http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/09/where-were-women-in-obamas-cairo-speech/#comment-245137 mark Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:15:18 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=13821#comment-245137 Jill panted for Obama over Hillary, so please, why exactly should women listen to you now? I Doubt you will have the courage to post this (you refuse any comment critical of you), but perhaps you will put women first today, over your crushing on Obama ego. Jill panted for Obama over Hillary, so please, why exactly should women listen to you now?
I Doubt you will have the courage to post this (you refuse any comment critical of you), but perhaps you will put women first today, over your crushing on Obama ego.

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