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  1. Colin Day
    Colin Day June 13, 2009 at 3:20 pm |

    Is Chaz Bono the son of Sonny and Cher?

  2. Evan
    Evan June 13, 2009 at 3:43 pm |

    I found this article on Chaz Bono to be quite respectful and informative.

  3. Mo
    Mo June 13, 2009 at 4:19 pm |

    Our police department isn’t exactly known for its sensitivity, and the Seattle Times did the same gender-term screwup in their article too. (of course I complained to the paper) This is an area of town known for crime, too.

  4. Melia
    Melia June 13, 2009 at 4:24 pm |

    I think this is the CNN article you were talking about:

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/06/11/ent.chastity.bono/index.html

  5. Colin Day
    Colin Day June 13, 2009 at 4:48 pm |

    Mo, how are the people of Seattle reacting?

  6. Renee
    Renee June 13, 2009 at 5:36 pm |

    Thanks for writing this up Cara, I had not heard about it, Incidents like this are why I speak so forcefully about hate speech. Language is an expression of our beliefs and when privileged people use the agents of socialization to present views that are necessarily homophobic, violence is the end result. How many times must it be said that speech comes at a cost, for people to understand that purposeful “othering” is paid for by marginalized bodies.

    It is also unhelpful when schools teach the young to internalize these ideas as normal. As a mother I cannot tell you how much time I must spend undoing the transphobic lessons that are taught dally. I often wonder how many parents let this incidents pass without realizing that they are passively approving of hate.

    My belief is that these crimes must be forcefully prosecuted and hate language must be penalized in someway. You don’t necessarily have to use the words “go out and beat someone” to incite violence. I further believe in more inclusive education. We teach children this hatred and if we spend half as much time teaching our young that all bodies matter, over time we would see progressive change in our societies.

  7. JessSnark
    JessSnark June 13, 2009 at 6:38 pm |

    Thank you for writing about this, Cara.

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  9. UnFit
    UnFit June 14, 2009 at 7:42 am |

    Renee, I’m not so sure parents are unaware “that they are passively approving of hate. ”
    I’m afraid you’re a little optimistic here. If you think of those kind of gender norms as perfectly normal and appropriate, why should you be concerned when they’re taught to your kids?
    That’s exactly the problem: it’s not that people are indifferent. They care, to the point of using violence to press people back into their norms.

  10. Jesurgislac
    Jesurgislac June 14, 2009 at 8:46 am |

    Violence doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Bigotry doesn’t happen in a vacuum. And kids don’t learn how to hate out of thin air.

    “I often wonder how many parents let this incidents pass without realizing that they are passively approving of hate. ”

    Even parents who think of themselves as liberal will pass on with apparent approval – and fail to apologize for – jokes in which the “point” is that women should look feminine, and women who don’t can be mocked for being transgendered (and that trans women are “really” men).

    I don’t know how to change this. These parents, I think, know they’re approving of hate – they just think that the hate they’re approving is only being directed towards the right targets. As in the examples above, where a liberal feminist parent sees no problem with repeating misogynist, transphobic jokes and abuse – so long as it’s directed at conservative women, who are apparently appropriate targets for misogynistic/transphobic abuse. I don’t see any difference between this and a conservative repeating racist/misogynistic jokes about Michelle Obama, and defending them on the grounds that they wouldn’t dream of telling such jokes randomly: they only tell them about Michelle Obama because she’s a Democratic First Lady.

    As I wrote here:

    But I do find transphobic jokes peculiarly horrible. Because the point of the jokes is not just to police women for not conforming to the patriarchal norms of “how women should look”, though that is clearly one of their functions. Nor is it just to make clear to women that, whatever our politics, it’s what we look like that’s really important, though that too is clearly one of their functions. The kind of person who would make fun of Ann Coulter for “looking mannish” is the same kind of person who would try to erase Sylvia Rae Rivera from the gay liberation movement because a trans woman isn’t the kind of hero you want remembered from the Stonewall Riots. Bigoted jokes are policing jokes – warning people who don’t conform to the norm what can happen to them if they don’t behave.

    And the known penalty is beatings and death. But because these liberal parents don’t see the beatings (and certainly don’t think of them as ever being directed towards their own children, or think about how their own children might become the abusers) they just tell the jokes. They’re the “good cop” half: but both cops are clear what can happen if you don’t conform to the proper gender roles.

  11. Mo
    Mo June 14, 2009 at 11:53 am |

    Colin- It was in the online edition of both papers, nowhere near the top. (the times and the P-I). I don’t recall hearing anything about it on local news nor overhearing anything while I was out. I haven’t checked any local LGBTQ pages, though, although I thought a follow-up article did say the little punk was arrested…

  12. Northeastern Elizabeth
    Northeastern Elizabeth June 14, 2009 at 2:57 pm |

    The official records that have been filed in this woman’s brutal assault purposely misgender her and attempt to dehumanize and degrade her in doing so

    Exactly! Sadly, in the comments section to the article, the reporter tries to justify Officer Johnson’s transphobia:


    Officers copy down information from identification cards. It seems from the report that the victim in this case presented identification for a man. He noted to the officer he was in the process of changing his name and appearance from a man to a woman.

    It looks like the officer went off the victim’s identification, which is normal for police reports.

    Both the officer and the reporter need to be immediately fired.

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  14. lynn
    lynn June 14, 2009 at 7:42 pm |

    I think the article up top was questionable too. I have no problem with using “person” if thats what reporters did in general but usually they say man or woman for cis people.

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  16. Ol'Froth
    Ol'Froth June 15, 2009 at 8:12 am |

    I’d be wary of jumping to conclusions that the officers pronoun use was a deliberate attempt to misgender an dehumanize the victim. Basic ignorance is a more likely culprit. I know in my own department there’s been no training on how to properly describe transgendered individuals. This is something that should be addressed.

  17. Ol'Froth
    Ol'Froth June 15, 2009 at 10:49 am |

    Ahh, I missed the part where she identifies herself as a woman. My bad.

  18. Laurie in Mpls.
    Laurie in Mpls. June 15, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

    Cara:
    Your last paragraph. Yes. Exactly. And so beautifully put. I may need to borrow it on occasion (with appropriate credit, of course.)

  19. kaninchen
    kaninchen June 15, 2009 at 12:43 pm |

    Violence doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Bigotry doesn’t happen in a vacuum. And kids don’t learn how to hate out of thin air.

    Fuck yes. People say “kids are cruel,” but children learn cruelty and hate. Children who see the people in their lives solving problems with violence learn that “violence never solves anything” is a lie. Some will have to work hard to unlearn hate and violence; others won’t bother.

    For all that this is depressing as hell and makes me realise just how lucky I am that my face and body match my stated gender pretty well, I’m glad for people like you and Renee who keep an eye out and spread the word. Thank you.

  20. Ol'Froth
    Ol'Froth June 15, 2009 at 3:49 pm |

    On further review…..

    There is nothing NOTHING in the links provided or the comments that indicates that this officer did anything wrong. The victim was interviewed, the actor identified, and the appropriate charges filed, including the all important hate crime charge. There is nothing indicating that the victim identified as female, and that the officer deliberatly ignored that. Please, if I’m wrong in that assesment, give me a link! I am man enough to admit when I’m wrong, but it looks like that this police officer did his job, identified the actor, filed the appropriate charges, and you are signalling him out for incorrect pronoun usage!

    As a police officer, I am the first to admit that training in interacting with the transgendered/gay community is seriously lacking, but that should start to improve. As a liberal, I want information on how to further improve interactions with oppressed segments of the population. As a front line supervisor, I am in a position to suggest ideas to the guys in charge, and educate the officers in my charge on how to properly interact. Throw me a bone here, help me help you!

  21. Ali
    Ali June 15, 2009 at 3:57 pm |

    Ol’Froth,

    The person, who told police she is in the process of changing her name and appearance to a woman

    From the 1st linked article the Cara quoted above. Looks to me that she identified as female and told the officers such.

    And what does being a man have to do with admitting when you are wrong?

  22. Ol'Froth
    Ol'Froth June 15, 2009 at 5:05 pm |

    Nothing at all Ali, but I think far too much emphasis is being placed on the officer who properly took the report. The criminals here are the actors who attacked this victim, and I want to see those people brought to justice for a vicious crime. And I read the first linked article and it is ambigous at best. Given that, what is SPD’s policy on describing transgendered persons? If the officer followed policy, LAY OFF! If not, then the criticism is valid, and direct outrage at those who set the policy, not those who are following directions. I am the first to admit that there are huge problems in how we interact with the public, and I am a liberal. I take a huge amount of shit from my more conservative colleagues, but guess what? I am their boss, and they follow my lead if I can frame the situation in a manner that appeals to their genuine patriotic/conservative ethos! PLEASE!!!! HELP ME HELP YOU!

  23. girl.trouble
    girl.trouble June 15, 2009 at 6:39 pm |

    froth, i think you are being a bit pollyannaish in this affair. i’m transgendered and have had plenty of run-ins with the SPD. like quite a few t-girls in this city, i’m a skater, and the gender that the officer uses in a report is very much up to their discretion. further, i have had a few officers who treat me with the respect i they show anyone, and many others who go out of their way to harass and even try to injure me.

    this idea that there is too much emphasis on the officer and the reporter’s commentary, is, i’m afraid, ridiculous. both are supposed to be impartial parties, who are charged with the protecting and educating the public. if they are biased, then how can i, a vulnerable, minority in seattle expect them to come to my aid? how can i be sure that they will protect and serve me? no, cara’s comments were not only astute, but important. these little things, these comments contribute to a greater view of transpeople being less than. less than worthy, less than human, and so on. it is no accident that the teen who attacked the transexual woman resorted to stereotyping in, i assume, an attempt to elicit the sympathies of the police officer. male identity is challenged by the very presence of transwomen, to think that the pronoun usage is irrelivant is to miss the undercurrent, and the motives of those involved. these things MUST be examined.

  24. Ali
    Ali June 16, 2009 at 10:28 am |

    Here, Ol’Froth, let me google that for you.

    And if you really wanted to be an ally, you would make the effort to do at least some research on your own. Not make demands on the oppressed to educate you.

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