I do not love doctors with forms like that. Sorry.

I see. I had no idea. Obviously. I thought it was inclusive. What would you have it say instead?

And yanno, telling someone to stfu and listen is fucking rude. At least when said someone has posted *before* the dissenting opinion.

1) the clinic’s accountability & explanation:
http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/the-response-from-nowhc/

2) queen emily’s subsequent apology:
http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/clarificatio/

3) bfp’s thoughts:
http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/06/30/1412/

and subsequent apologies
http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/06/30/an-open-letter-to/
http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/06/30/to/
http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/06/30/and-most-importantly-to/

4) belledame222 has also apologized:
http://fetchmemyaxe.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-also-want-to-apologize.html

Thank you to all these sisters for their apologia, self-reflection, and grace.

If we’re just going to go around calling oppressed people hateful bigots without bothering to learn wtf is really happening, without engaging one another like the complex people we all are, we will reproduce oppression and we will get NOWHERE.

It would be great if the feminist blogosphere was as passionate about engaging transformative community accountability work as it is being on the attack. Because, for real? You never know when you will fuck up (cuz it’s always when, never if) and the bloody swarm will come after your ass.

I’m not saying don’t address the fuck ups, or even the perceived fuck ups. All I’m saying is, it seems pretty clear that we need each other, and if we keep acting like this, we won’t get there from here.

A friend convinced me, although I can’t talk about it.

Holly, please place this prominently in your post

Plus, this idea that being trans or trans female puts you and all your organs and systems in an entirely different medical category from cis people or cis women? It’s not an assumption based in fact, first of all. Pap smears, mammograms, blood tests, safer-sex education and supplies, well-woman checkups: all this stuff is wholly modular.

More importantly, it’s an excuse for exclusion that should be familiar to any trans person who has tried to get medical care. Clinics, doctors, and insurance companies use it all the time. It even becomes a kind of panpathology, as trans patients are told that their exogenous hormones are clearly why they suffer from joint pain/stomach cramps/ingrown toenails. A cis analogy would be the fat patient whose doctor refuses to treat them as a whole person, and sources every medical concern from sinusitis to fibro back to a failure to be skinny.

It’s a silly way to treat human bodies, and a dangerous burden under which to access care. Whatever the intention behind it, it’s a misguided policy that helps shore up both cissexist attitudes towards trans bodies and transphobic mechanisms for diverting healthcare away from populations in need.

Why would so many people be so upset if this were about a clinic that simply does not serve anyone who could not give birth? They would not, of course, because trans women have better things to do with their time than that.

Even if what you suggest were the case, many women, trans and cis, require regular mammograms or at least breast exams, and a number of other types of care that may be folded into a pelvic exam visit.

There are enough resources. Excusing the clinic sight unseen is validating cissupremacy, and grossly inappropriate given your total lack of clue.

I have a screenshot of the web page in question, if anybody is interested. That way, commentors named after toxic insecticides and others might actually have some facts to go on before making blanket statements about excluding traditionally marginalized women without cause.

Treating 98%-99% of marginalized women and excluding the ones most hurt by exclusion is hateful, and unjustified by any rational economic measure of this world. This is a fact, and not something reasonable people will find debatable.

Anyways, what’s really sad is that there isn’t money for community health care clinics for everyone of every gender for all kinds of care, not just reproductive care.

I may be stupid and naive, but to assume I’m cissexist is unfair. That is the last I have to say here.

Thanks for the tip…I have Canadian contacts who are on the case. Thanks for confirming what they told me. I will def look into it.

engaging on the issue (whether or not Anna ignored criticism from transwomen and only took criticism from cis-women seriously).
This is exactly it, and reflective of her cissexism. Trust me, I have seen this shit enough to recognize it and call it out. You are a non authority on my experiences, no matter what yours are. Deal.

@GallinGalla everything you said, times 10001. experience talks, cis stupidity walks.

@Kristen thanks for being open to the possibility that we might actually know what the fuck we are talking about in our lives.

@Holly I am so sorry the crazy came chasing me and pissed all over your thread. If it will help get this thread out of cis-head-up-the-ass land, you can delete everything I wrote with my blessings. Naively, I expected better for this site than when I called for its boycott.

I now stand corrected.