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		<title>By: Disability, Depression, and “Counting” &#171; Tlönista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disability, Depression, and “Counting” &#171; Tlönista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] while back, in early July, amandaw, guest-blogging for Feministe, wrote a post about models of disability: The medical model centers around the individual. The medical model defines disability in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: three rivers fog &#187; On mental illness</title>
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		<dc:creator>three rivers fog &#187; On mental illness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was called out on my next post for writing as though the mentally ill, and people with disabilities in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/02/thoughts-on-disability-and-respectful-language/#comment-249589</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my favourite guide to social model language &lt;a href=&quot;http://3.ly/AVR&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://3.ly/AVR&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my favourite guide to social model language <a href="http://3.ly/AVR" rel="nofollow">http://3.ly/AVR</a></p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the most part I liked what you had to say.  But on rereading the title &quot;Thoughts on disability and respectful language,&quot; I&#039;m reminded of a stance I took long ago in childhood.  By the time I was 11, I&#039;d gone through several labels already: I started out &quot;profoundly deaf&quot; but then that was derogatory, so then I became &quot;hard of hearing&quot; but that wasn&#039;t really accurate, so then they trotted out the term &quot;hearing impaired&quot; at which point I put my foot down and called myself deaf, which I have done since.  I am deaf, deaf, deaf.  No amount of word changing or tippytoeing around will change anything about me, or anything about the absurd stupid ways in which the world around me has tried to force me into their cubbyholes.  Changing language does not change actions nor perceptions of those around you.  

Which, really, ties into your last paragraph anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the most part I liked what you had to say.  But on rereading the title &#8220;Thoughts on disability and respectful language,&#8221; I&#8217;m reminded of a stance I took long ago in childhood.  By the time I was 11, I&#8217;d gone through several labels already: I started out &#8220;profoundly deaf&#8221; but then that was derogatory, so then I became &#8220;hard of hearing&#8221; but that wasn&#8217;t really accurate, so then they trotted out the term &#8220;hearing impaired&#8221; at which point I put my foot down and called myself deaf, which I have done since.  I am deaf, deaf, deaf.  No amount of word changing or tippytoeing around will change anything about me, or anything about the absurd stupid ways in which the world around me has tried to force me into their cubbyholes.  Changing language does not change actions nor perceptions of those around you.  </p>
<p>Which, really, ties into your last paragraph anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Deoridhe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deoridhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work with adults with persistent mental illness as my job, which gives me a different-from-mainstream but still not participant point of view on the lives of people who are in the mental health (ha!) system likely until they die.

I have found that one thing I do more than I ever expected was try to help my clients de-pathologize their normal, human responses to stress and trauma. There is a way in which people with mental disorders and conditions begin to consider everything a part of that condition (I love the word condition, by the way; I had never thought of it - illness gives me twitches though sometimes it seems accurate, and disorder seems more accurate but still stigmatizing). 

Like anxiety. It&#039;s huge for most of my clients. Some of them have unrealistic anxiety causes or responses (presumed inaccurate paranoia, or panic attacks from being on a street, for example) but a lot of times their anxiety is really rational and reasonable given their experiences. One role I stand in becomes being a person who shares what is normally covered up - for example about my own anxiety and some of the ways I cope with or cover it up - in an attempt to pass on as a visceral experience that these feelings are normal, human, reasonable, and something to manage, not to feel ashamed of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work with adults with persistent mental illness as my job, which gives me a different-from-mainstream but still not participant point of view on the lives of people who are in the mental health (ha!) system likely until they die.</p>
<p>I have found that one thing I do more than I ever expected was try to help my clients de-pathologize their normal, human responses to stress and trauma. There is a way in which people with mental disorders and conditions begin to consider everything a part of that condition (I love the word condition, by the way; I had never thought of it &#8211; illness gives me twitches though sometimes it seems accurate, and disorder seems more accurate but still stigmatizing). </p>
<p>Like anxiety. It&#8217;s huge for most of my clients. Some of them have unrealistic anxiety causes or responses (presumed inaccurate paranoia, or panic attacks from being on a street, for example) but a lot of times their anxiety is really rational and reasonable given their experiences. One role I stand in becomes being a person who shares what is normally covered up &#8211; for example about my own anxiety and some of the ways I cope with or cover it up &#8211; in an attempt to pass on as a visceral experience that these feelings are normal, human, reasonable, and something to manage, not to feel ashamed of.</p>
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		<title>By: denelian</title>
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		<dc:creator>denelian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, William</description>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; but is it not out-of-touch with reality to be suggesting that we need to change the language simply to avoid hurting feelings?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now, I don&#039;t mean to get all postmodern on you here, but could you please tell me what you mean by reality? I know, it sounds like a stupid question, everyone knows what reality means, right? Its whats REAL.

Unfortunately, reality isn&#039;t nearly as solid as we would like to think. Thats especially true when we&#039;re talking about language. The way you decide to frame something, the words you use to describe it, the messages behind those words that you apply to it, these things effect that you might want to call reality. The way you see something, or hear it, or interact with it (even if you have the ability to do these things) changes how you experience it. Your observations, the basis for how we determine reality, are influenced by your beliefs, fears, and desires.

So when you ask if something is &quot;out of touch with reality&quot; what you&#039;re really asking is if it is in touch with your experience. The fact that you&#039;re able to describe your subjective frame as &quot;reality&quot; is a privilege that comes with sharing that frame with a large enough portion of society that you no longer recognize it is your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> but is it not out-of-touch with reality to be suggesting that we need to change the language simply to avoid hurting feelings?</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t mean to get all postmodern on you here, but could you please tell me what you mean by reality? I know, it sounds like a stupid question, everyone knows what reality means, right? Its whats REAL.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, reality isn&#8217;t nearly as solid as we would like to think. Thats especially true when we&#8217;re talking about language. The way you decide to frame something, the words you use to describe it, the messages behind those words that you apply to it, these things effect that you might want to call reality. The way you see something, or hear it, or interact with it (even if you have the ability to do these things) changes how you experience it. Your observations, the basis for how we determine reality, are influenced by your beliefs, fears, and desires.</p>
<p>So when you ask if something is &#8220;out of touch with reality&#8221; what you&#8217;re really asking is if it is in touch with your experience. The fact that you&#8217;re able to describe your subjective frame as &#8220;reality&#8221; is a privilege that comes with sharing that frame with a large enough portion of society that you no longer recognize it is your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bialkowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Bialkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies in advance for the rambling, tl;dr nature of this comment:

My partner and I sometimes discuss the focus placed upon proper use of language by some individuals in the galaxy of activism and boundary-pushing.  I&#039;m usually OK with being described as a &quot;disabled person&quot; or even a &quot;(legally) blind person&quot;.  This may be my other privileges talking (white, male, Anglophone, etc.), but to me it falls into the same category as being described as, say, a white person, or a brown-haired person.  We tend to modify nouns with prefixed adjectives to save syllables; so long as the adjective itself is not inaccurate or intended as a pejorative (or, worse, patronizing), I&#039;m not one to complain about the order of the words being used.  I&#039;ll even refer to myself using a certain older term just to get a rise out of her.

What I do get worked up over is the overcompensation that tends to create insulting euphemisms.  No one has used the term &quot;differently abled&quot; around me in a very long time, but if it&#039;s ever used again, the person saying it will be told that if they want my &quot;different ability&quot;, they can have it.  &quot;Challenged&quot; also falls into this category.  I know a part of my body doesn&#039;t work as well as it does for most others; I&#039;d prefer people be realistic about it, give me some help when (and if) I ask for it, and treat it like any other physical or mental characteristic that makes up who and what I am.

I find that I do tend to modify my behaviour to forestall challenging queries about how &quot;disabled&quot; I am.  I like to listen to music while taking public transit.  I find myself removing my headphones whenever I board a vehicle, as I worry whether a given driver will be suspicious upon seeing a person wearing headphones flashing a pass used by blind and visually impaired passengers*.  Mind you, the headset sits around my neck, so it&#039;s not as if I&#039;m doing anything &lt;i&gt;useful&lt;/i&gt; to hide it, but I worry that a driver will choose to act upon their own assumptions about how a visually impaired person should act in front of multiple people and make me prove I&#039;m disabled or something equally degrading.

I&#039;m afraid to look at the Wikipedia article; the thought of a &quot;market model&quot; framework for dealing with disabilities makes me gag.  Frakking Randroids...

OK, done taking up bytes for now.

*yay TTC and CNIB for one thing, at least!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies in advance for the rambling, tl;dr nature of this comment:</p>
<p>My partner and I sometimes discuss the focus placed upon proper use of language by some individuals in the galaxy of activism and boundary-pushing.  I&#8217;m usually OK with being described as a &#8220;disabled person&#8221; or even a &#8220;(legally) blind person&#8221;.  This may be my other privileges talking (white, male, Anglophone, etc.), but to me it falls into the same category as being described as, say, a white person, or a brown-haired person.  We tend to modify nouns with prefixed adjectives to save syllables; so long as the adjective itself is not inaccurate or intended as a pejorative (or, worse, patronizing), I&#8217;m not one to complain about the order of the words being used.  I&#8217;ll even refer to myself using a certain older term just to get a rise out of her.</p>
<p>What I do get worked up over is the overcompensation that tends to create insulting euphemisms.  No one has used the term &#8220;differently abled&#8221; around me in a very long time, but if it&#8217;s ever used again, the person saying it will be told that if they want my &#8220;different ability&#8221;, they can have it.  &#8220;Challenged&#8221; also falls into this category.  I know a part of my body doesn&#8217;t work as well as it does for most others; I&#8217;d prefer people be realistic about it, give me some help when (and if) I ask for it, and treat it like any other physical or mental characteristic that makes up who and what I am.</p>
<p>I find that I do tend to modify my behaviour to forestall challenging queries about how &#8220;disabled&#8221; I am.  I like to listen to music while taking public transit.  I find myself removing my headphones whenever I board a vehicle, as I worry whether a given driver will be suspicious upon seeing a person wearing headphones flashing a pass used by blind and visually impaired passengers*.  Mind you, the headset sits around my neck, so it&#8217;s not as if I&#8217;m doing anything <i>useful</i> to hide it, but I worry that a driver will choose to act upon their own assumptions about how a visually impaired person should act in front of multiple people and make me prove I&#8217;m disabled or something equally degrading.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid to look at the Wikipedia article; the thought of a &#8220;market model&#8221; framework for dealing with disabilities makes me gag.  Frakking Randroids&#8230;</p>
<p>OK, done taking up bytes for now.</p>
<p>*yay TTC and CNIB for one thing, at least!</p>
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		<title>By: Novidades do dia 05/07/2009 &#8211; Ano IV &#171; agência para promoção da inclusão</title>
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		<dc:creator>Novidades do dia 05/07/2009 &#8211; Ano IV &#171; agência para promoção da inclusão</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thoughts on disability and respectful language http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/02/thoughts-on-disability-and-respectful-language/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been diagnossed and hospitalized several times for manic episodes (and a couple suicide attempts)... I&#039;ve tried 7 or 8 medications and ECT.  I used to think that this was a part of who I am, I now realize that it is a (disease, disorder, or illness) and I should make all possible effort to &quot;cure&quot; it, or put it down to a reasonable level.  (I&#039;m 31 and have not met any of my goals in life)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been diagnossed and hospitalized several times for manic episodes (and a couple suicide attempts)&#8230; I&#8217;ve tried 7 or 8 medications and ECT.  I used to think that this was a part of who I am, I now realize that it is a (disease, disorder, or illness) and I should make all possible effort to &#8220;cure&#8221; it, or put it down to a reasonable level.  (I&#8217;m 31 and have not met any of my goals in life)</p>
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