And you know, I don’t care WHY someone is abusive.

I don’t think trying to understand the psychology underlying a behavior is excusing it. What he did was inexcusable and abusive, but as you pointed out it really isn’t that unusual. Stalking and abuse are a real problem and they don’t develop in a vacuum. Understanding why abusers abuse can go a long way towards understanding what about our society makes them. Abuse is a motivated action, people do it for a reason. Its an exercise of power which nets the abuser some gain or helps them avoid some kind of undesirable affect or situation. Figuring out the psychology of a pattern of abuse, especially one as disturbingly common as Manson’s, can help us figure out how to protect future victims.

I don’t care that it could be the drugs or the alcohol. I don’t care that it could just be bravado. This type of behavior is often used by men to manipulate the women they are/were involved with, and it’s bullshit. (It sure as hell is NOT funny, then again, I’m one of those people who have been subjected to this crap.) And I’m frankly disgusted to see some of his fans here excuse it.

And you know, I don’t care WHY someone is abusive. That’s their problem. What I do know is that abusers don’t change, they do it because they can, because they are excused and pitied and given a pass by everyone around them who say what nice guys they are, or how they don’t really mean it, or they’re messed up themselves. As if these excuses somehow disappear the damage these shitstains have done to women. Fear not–we mean nothing, after all. Pay no attention to the bitches.

And FFS, the man is my age or older, and he’s going off on a 22-year-old? He’s trying to manipulate and punish someone half his age? Who he started dating when she was all of 19?? SERIOUSLY? Boy needs to grow up already.

in a world where women are murdered for the great foolishness of being born women, it doesn’t matter a God damn how much he hates himself and this covers up for that. It’s casual misogyny and it’s WRONG.

I don’t disagree in the slightest. Still, it happened and my tendency is to try to understand the psychology of things. Manson might be famous, but he isn’t really unique. What we have here is a chance to get some insight into what drives a specific kind of abuser. The point I was trying, and it would seem failing, to get at is that not all abuse of women and misogyny is going to be rooted in hating women. Its an important point because an abuser driven by self-loathing isn’t going to respond to education or punishment.

Theres a song on his new album called “WOW.” The general theme of the song seems to be that he could never respect someone who could have sex with him because he’s so loathsome. Theres other stuff there, some shock and hurt thats probably meant to distract, but the core motivation seems to be: If you love me then I hate you because I hate me. Thats a different kind of abuse, and I think its one worth trying to understand given how common it is.

He said some disturbing things but thats his sense of humor, he clearly does drugs and drinks a shit load of alcohol which could explain the crazier things he does. as for him being a product, who in the music industry isnt? the band are as much the product as the music hence concert DVDs and music videos. Manson has some cool songs but certainly isnt the messiah i once thought he was. i was a huge fan years ago. he does have some cool songs though (IMO).
sorry about the length of this BTW.

Don’t take it so personally. It’s his image and the audience he caters to – and I see that as a business decision. It doesn’t describe his entire audience.

But I, too, Alexis, used to think that he was smart, so you’re not alone in that. And you know, he might actually be for all I know. But unfortunately being smart doesn’t make you immune to being a misogynist, or an asshole, or an abuser, or any number of other such things.