Hey wingnuts, I am pro-life and oppose contraception.

You’re an idiot.

Just because I favor the legal protection of all life (and not just the powerful, as you do) does not mean that I would countenance illicit means for doing so, such as contraception. For example, I would not torture a Muslim even if by doing so I would magically end all abortions in America. Unlike you, I do not believe that the ends justify the means.

Wow, you’re really an idiot.

Until the pro-choice side begins to make rational arguments for its positions, I will not respect any of their lame-brain “ideas.”

sorry, still can’t agree. “male dominance” may be felt at a visceral level, but it still does not even approach having one’s body appropriated from one’s own control. and i would also argue that it is about patriarchal (not just male) dominance over women’s bodies. but the body comes first.

slavery was not “just as much” about whites. the final solution was not “just as much” about the nazis.

women need to be able to own their own bodies. that is bedrock. baseline. reproductive justice may be “about” male dominance, but it is FOUNDED on the inalienable personhood of women, and i will never concede any part of that to some asshole crying “what about the menz?” (not you, Sarah MC — the person who initially made the claim further up thread.)

By the way, I also am friends with the local PP manager. She manages three clinics, in two cities, often works more than 10 hours a day, six days a week, and gets paid less than $40,000. Money-maker, indeed.

Abortion is about money first and foremost

If abortion becomes less and less necessary they risk losing their livelihoods.

You do realise just how much money obstetricians make, right? I also wonder just how much the anti-choice industry receives in donations…

And you know, I’d far prefer for abortion providers and pro-choice organisations to make money than the alternative scenario, in which abortions were banned and lots of women ended up maimed and killed due to unsafe abortions. Then there’s the fact that, when abortion is banned, ‘underground’ abortion providers end up with a rather lucrative business…

If one is that concerned about the income of pro-choice organisations and activists, there’s a way to resolve that – if the right to access safe and legal abortion were no longer under constant threat, there wouldn’t be a need for organisations fighting to lobby to preserve that right.