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		<title>By: Singaporean</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/14/the-oppressor-and-victim-is-who-and-what-now/#comment-259728</link>
		<dc:creator>Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TKB says: 

&quot;July 28th, 2009 at 1:18 pm - Edit

Is Thio’s doctorate for real? Is that indicative of the level of intellectual rigour of whatever university it was she attended?&quot;

...not so much the university she attended, but the local culture of Singapore. Haven&#039;t you heard?...Singapore, 1st world country, 3rd world mentality. Not everyone, but definite majority. Don&#039;t be fooled by the exterior of Singapore. Spend some time here and you&#039;ll know what I mean.</description>
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<p>&#8220;July 28th, 2009 at 1:18 pm &#8211; Edit</p>
<p>Is Thio’s doctorate for real? Is that indicative of the level of intellectual rigour of whatever university it was she attended?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;not so much the university she attended, but the local culture of Singapore. Haven&#8217;t you heard?&#8230;Singapore, 1st world country, 3rd world mentality. Not everyone, but definite majority. Don&#8217;t be fooled by the exterior of Singapore. Spend some time here and you&#8217;ll know what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: TKB</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/14/the-oppressor-and-victim-is-who-and-what-now/#comment-258460</link>
		<dc:creator>TKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant brilliant brilliant BRILLIANT rebuttal Jill.
So clear and concise and clear-headed.
It just makes the 18-point rant look even weaker.

Is Thio&#039;s doctorate for real? Is that indicative of the level of intellectual rigour of whatever university it was she attended? 

I love how this is turning out. These &quot;intelligent&quot; bigots just end up tripping over themselves in public eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant brilliant brilliant BRILLIANT rebuttal Jill.<br />
So clear and concise and clear-headed.<br />
It just makes the 18-point rant look even weaker.</p>
<p>Is Thio&#8217;s doctorate for real? Is that indicative of the level of intellectual rigour of whatever university it was she attended? </p>
<p>I love how this is turning out. These &#8220;intelligent&#8221; bigots just end up tripping over themselves in public eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/14/the-oppressor-and-victim-is-who-and-what-now/#comment-258048</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then perhaps, Dr. Manuka, you can explain how a professor who

a. does not believe in human rights
b. discriminates against LGBT students in violation of a university&#039;s code of conduct

is qualified to teach a course on human rights at that university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then perhaps, Dr. Manuka, you can explain how a professor who</p>
<p>a. does not believe in human rights<br />
b. discriminates against LGBT students in violation of a university&#8217;s code of conduct</p>
<p>is qualified to teach a course on human rights at that university.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Salvador Manuka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Salvador Manuka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TYPO: What I meant to write is that I absolutely disagree WITH Dr. Thio’s position...etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TYPO: What I meant to write is that I absolutely disagree WITH Dr. Thio’s position&#8230;etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Salvador Manuka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Salvador Manuka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &lt;b&gt;absolutely&lt;/b&gt; disagree Dr. Thio&#039;s position regarding the criminalization of consentual sex between gay males, but you&#039;re argument here fails on so many levels that, if anything, it is your argument itself--or rather, your inability to resist the temptation to sink into punditry--that speaks the foulest volumes about the law program at New York University.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <b>absolutely</b> disagree Dr. Thio&#8217;s position regarding the criminalization of consentual sex between gay males, but you&#8217;re argument here fails on so many levels that, if anything, it is your argument itself&#8211;or rather, your inability to resist the temptation to sink into punditry&#8211;that speaks the foulest volumes about the law program at New York University.</p>
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		<title>By: Number6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Number6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking over the quality of her argument here, I would say that nothing is lost in her decision to bow out.  Even for those who may think there is value in bigoted people teaching at a University, they should be able to put forward a more well thought out cogent argument than this mess suggests she is capable of.  

The crucial piece on the substance to me is the difference between threatening violence (throwing people in jail is pretty violent) against those you disagree with and yelling at people you disagree with.  Someone who simply yells, insults and boycotts those who threaten to throw you in jail is showing incredible restraint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking over the quality of her argument here, I would say that nothing is lost in her decision to bow out.  Even for those who may think there is value in bigoted people teaching at a University, they should be able to put forward a more well thought out cogent argument than this mess suggests she is capable of.  </p>
<p>The crucial piece on the substance to me is the difference between threatening violence (throwing people in jail is pretty violent) against those you disagree with and yelling at people you disagree with.  Someone who simply yells, insults and boycotts those who threaten to throw you in jail is showing incredible restraint.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to thank Jill for blogging about this and all the intelligent responses from everyone who have contributed to the rebuttals.  

I have mixed feelings about this. I didn&#039;t want tla to have NYU in her portfolio. At the same time, it would have done her good to be there. In Singapore, she is a member of the English-educated right wing christian literati. She is not used to rebuttal and disagreement. Usually, she makes statements and people are silenced because of her status and position in society. Obviously she has no courage to face the challenge to her prejudiced and bigoted views. 

It is really embarrassing that a supposedly qualified legal lecturer from the island of Singapore has that kind of response to mere disagreement with and rebuttal to statements she made. Says alot about the qualities and caliber of the academia in Singapore. It is obvious she has had no practice in legal and logical argument and her deep-seated prejudices are religious and cultural in nature. 

It is also telling of her mindset that instead of engaging in what might have been an interesting and lively student-faculty debate, she chose to write a letter of complaint to the faculty and dean. That unfortunately is how the patriachal system of which is she an active member works. Students of NYU are right in deciding that she would not be able to contribute a qualified and dignified higher education in her time there. 

Well, unfortunately  she is back on this island and she is our problem. We did after all create the environment in which someone like her thrived and received support for her ideas. 

Warwick University from the UK rejected a place in Singapore because of they feared they would not be able to discuss openly sensitive issues like homosexuality here. Other than Malaysia and countries in Africa, we are one of the few ex-British colonies that have retained the anti-sodomy law for homosexuals. The same law was repealed for heterosexual sex in 2007. Even China is more open than we are. And now we have an anti-gay rights activist rejected by NYU. As a Singaporean, I have no idea where to &#039;put my face&#039;. 

Be kind. We are not all like that. We are trying to make changes too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to thank Jill for blogging about this and all the intelligent responses from everyone who have contributed to the rebuttals.  </p>
<p>I have mixed feelings about this. I didn&#8217;t want tla to have NYU in her portfolio. At the same time, it would have done her good to be there. In Singapore, she is a member of the English-educated right wing christian literati. She is not used to rebuttal and disagreement. Usually, she makes statements and people are silenced because of her status and position in society. Obviously she has no courage to face the challenge to her prejudiced and bigoted views. </p>
<p>It is really embarrassing that a supposedly qualified legal lecturer from the island of Singapore has that kind of response to mere disagreement with and rebuttal to statements she made. Says alot about the qualities and caliber of the academia in Singapore. It is obvious she has had no practice in legal and logical argument and her deep-seated prejudices are religious and cultural in nature. </p>
<p>It is also telling of her mindset that instead of engaging in what might have been an interesting and lively student-faculty debate, she chose to write a letter of complaint to the faculty and dean. That unfortunately is how the patriachal system of which is she an active member works. Students of NYU are right in deciding that she would not be able to contribute a qualified and dignified higher education in her time there. </p>
<p>Well, unfortunately  she is back on this island and she is our problem. We did after all create the environment in which someone like her thrived and received support for her ideas. </p>
<p>Warwick University from the UK rejected a place in Singapore because of they feared they would not be able to discuss openly sensitive issues like homosexuality here. Other than Malaysia and countries in Africa, we are one of the few ex-British colonies that have retained the anti-sodomy law for homosexuals. The same law was repealed for heterosexual sex in 2007. Even China is more open than we are. And now we have an anti-gay rights activist rejected by NYU. As a Singaporean, I have no idea where to &#8216;put my face&#8217;. </p>
<p>Be kind. We are not all like that. We are trying to make changes too.</p>
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		<title>By: Singaporean</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/14/the-oppressor-and-victim-is-who-and-what-now/#comment-256206</link>
		<dc:creator>Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Thio knew that if she didn&#039;t bow out, she would have been canned anyway. Just trying to save &quot;face&quot;. Face is very important in our neck of the woods. It often drives many to do silly things. 

As for the death threats, I bet my last dollar that she made it up...an excuse to justify a quick exit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Thio knew that if she didn&#8217;t bow out, she would have been canned anyway. Just trying to save &#8220;face&#8221;. Face is very important in our neck of the woods. It often drives many to do silly things. </p>
<p>As for the death threats, I bet my last dollar that she made it up&#8230;an excuse to justify a quick exit.</p>
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		<title>By: Huang Renxing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huang Renxing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m gay and I consider Singapore my home, but because of people like Ms Thio there are times when I really really hate it here. 

I&#039;ve been to NYC twice and I really liked it. I now love it and am so grateful for NYU students having voted with their feet and forcing Ms Thio to show, by her no show, what she really is, a coward for not daring to face an audience willing and able to show her up as a bigoted fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m gay and I consider Singapore my home, but because of people like Ms Thio there are times when I really really hate it here. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to NYC twice and I really liked it. I now love it and am so grateful for NYU students having voted with their feet and forcing Ms Thio to show, by her no show, what she really is, a coward for not daring to face an audience willing and able to show her up as a bigoted fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am just utterly in LOVE with her line

&quot;In Singapore, people do not really care whether someone is homosexual or not, as we tend to look at the merit of a person, for example, in the workplace.&quot;

REALLY, professor thio?

i happen to know, FOR A FACT, that the ministry of education is actively screening out teachers who are gay. of course, they would deny this when confronted with it. and when we declare our sexual orientation in the military (compulsory, not voluntary), our vocations are immediately changed to a much less &quot;sensitive&quot; one. 

i would be really at all ears to hear her arguement about sexual inequality that still very much exists in our so-termed  &quot;conservative asian society&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am just utterly in LOVE with her line</p>
<p>&#8220;In Singapore, people do not really care whether someone is homosexual or not, as we tend to look at the merit of a person, for example, in the workplace.&#8221;</p>
<p>REALLY, professor thio?</p>
<p>i happen to know, FOR A FACT, that the ministry of education is actively screening out teachers who are gay. of course, they would deny this when confronted with it. and when we declare our sexual orientation in the military (compulsory, not voluntary), our vocations are immediately changed to a much less &#8220;sensitive&#8221; one. </p>
<p>i would be really at all ears to hear her arguement about sexual inequality that still very much exists in our so-termed  &#8220;conservative asian society&#8221;</p>
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