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	<title>Comments on: Lateisha Green&#8217;s Killer Dwight DeLee Convicted of Manslaughter as a Hate Crime</title>
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		<title>By: Condenado com 25 anos de prisão por ter matado transexual &#124; Gay.Com.Br</title>
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		<dc:creator>Condenado com 25 anos de prisão por ter matado transexual &#124; Gay.Com.Br</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: g531</title>
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		<dc:creator>g531</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The increase in hate crimes over the recent years, has been appalling and calls for the necessity of the bill recently passed in the Senate to receive greater attention and support. Hate crime assaults that had taken place in Eastern Washington in October had, in fact, prompted support for WA hate crime legislation. It is not enough, however, that states have different guidelines regarding the issues, especially when the tendency is that states with less strict laws may in fact suffer greater occurrences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The increase in hate crimes over the recent years, has been appalling and calls for the necessity of the bill recently passed in the Senate to receive greater attention and support. Hate crime assaults that had taken place in Eastern Washington in October had, in fact, prompted support for WA hate crime legislation. It is not enough, however, that states have different guidelines regarding the issues, especially when the tendency is that states with less strict laws may in fact suffer greater occurrences.</p>
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		<title>By: UPDATE: Justice for Lateisha Green : Not In Our Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>UPDATE: Justice for Lateisha Green : Not In Our Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] high rates of discrimination and violence.  Posts at Transgriot, Questioning Transphobia, and Feministe address the issues of pronoun usage, the lack of protection for trans people under New York hate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Just Some Trans Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Some Trans Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The family will use their own language to define their situation and define their child. They knew Teish, they raised Teish. We didn’t. It’s about respect and the family’s preference.&quot;

@ Syracuse
I&#039;d like to echo some of eastsidekate&#039;s comments on this.  If I, gods forbid, were to be murdered tomorrow, I have no doubt that my family would refer to me using the wrong name and the wrong pronouns.  They would say that they had lost a daughter, not a son.  I&#039;m not thrilled that they refer to me in this way, but they&#039;re my family, and I love them.  We all make our compromises.

But even if it would hurt or embarass them to see and hear me referred to as a man, to hear my correct name used in news articles, I would still want those articles to use the correct name and correct pronouns.  Because I love my family, yes, but that doesn&#039;t trump my sense of self and my identity.  Respect for my family doesn&#039;t trump respect for me.

I don&#039;t know what Lateishs Green would have wanted, and in no way will I speak for her.  But I did want to offer my perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The family will use their own language to define their situation and define their child. They knew Teish, they raised Teish. We didn’t. It’s about respect and the family’s preference.&#8221;</p>
<p>@ Syracuse<br />
I&#8217;d like to echo some of eastsidekate&#8217;s comments on this.  If I, gods forbid, were to be murdered tomorrow, I have no doubt that my family would refer to me using the wrong name and the wrong pronouns.  They would say that they had lost a daughter, not a son.  I&#8217;m not thrilled that they refer to me in this way, but they&#8217;re my family, and I love them.  We all make our compromises.</p>
<p>But even if it would hurt or embarass them to see and hear me referred to as a man, to hear my correct name used in news articles, I would still want those articles to use the correct name and correct pronouns.  Because I love my family, yes, but that doesn&#8217;t trump my sense of self and my identity.  Respect for my family doesn&#8217;t trump respect for me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what Lateishs Green would have wanted, and in no way will I speak for her.  But I did want to offer my perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Hate Crime Legislation and Teish Green&#8217;s Murder &#171; Questioning Transphobia</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/lateisha-greens-killer-dwight-delee-convicted-of-manslaughter-as-a-hate-crime/#comment-253696</link>
		<dc:creator>Hate Crime Legislation and Teish Green&#8217;s Murder &#171; Questioning Transphobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a comment &#187;  So I was reading about Dwight DeLee&#8217;s trial and conviction for the murder of Teish Green, about how the jury found that he was guilty of intent [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gina</title>
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		<dc:creator>gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@315: FYI, Sylvia Guerrero, Gwen Araujo&#039;s mom, only called her by her birth name and referred to her as &#039;her son&#039; before and during the first trial. She later called her Gwen, my daughter and petitioned to have her child&#039;s name changed to Gwen after the second trial. It&#039;s a process. FYI, the Post-Standard, especially writer Jim O&#039;Hara, who wrote most of their stories about the trial, really only wrote about Moses Cannon and pretty much mentioned how Teish &quot;sometimes dressed in women&#039;s clothes (sic) and referred to herself as Lateisha.&quot; Yes, Roxanne Green did mention she had two gay sons... as I stated in my earlier post (and you didn&#039;t address) some segments of the black community tend to use gay when referring to trans people, but they still certainly know the difference between gender variant people and people who are gay by virtue of their sexual orientation. I see no sign the DA did anything during the trial with the family in mind. Long after the family only referred to her as Lateisha and as a daughter/sister, the DA in his closing arguments said, &quot;make no mistake, Moses Cannon WAS a gay man.&quot; 

I believe part of this might have also had to do with the sophistication level (?) of the jury... some of whom might not have known the difference between gay and trans, sexual orientation and gender. It&#039;s doubtful people who were in any way trans aware (or who had a trans person in their lives) would have even be permitted to serve on the jury by the defense attorney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@315: FYI, Sylvia Guerrero, Gwen Araujo&#8217;s mom, only called her by her birth name and referred to her as &#8216;her son&#8217; before and during the first trial. She later called her Gwen, my daughter and petitioned to have her child&#8217;s name changed to Gwen after the second trial. It&#8217;s a process. FYI, the Post-Standard, especially writer Jim O&#8217;Hara, who wrote most of their stories about the trial, really only wrote about Moses Cannon and pretty much mentioned how Teish &#8220;sometimes dressed in women&#8217;s clothes (sic) and referred to herself as Lateisha.&#8221; Yes, Roxanne Green did mention she had two gay sons&#8230; as I stated in my earlier post (and you didn&#8217;t address) some segments of the black community tend to use gay when referring to trans people, but they still certainly know the difference between gender variant people and people who are gay by virtue of their sexual orientation. I see no sign the DA did anything during the trial with the family in mind. Long after the family only referred to her as Lateisha and as a daughter/sister, the DA in his closing arguments said, &#8220;make no mistake, Moses Cannon WAS a gay man.&#8221; </p>
<p>I believe part of this might have also had to do with the sophistication level (?) of the jury&#8230; some of whom might not have known the difference between gay and trans, sexual orientation and gender. It&#8217;s doubtful people who were in any way trans aware (or who had a trans person in their lives) would have even be permitted to serve on the jury by the defense attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: little egg</title>
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		<dc:creator>little egg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@eastsidekate -- GENDA in NY state includes hate crimes protections because that&#039;s how the act is written. The individuals who wrote it wanted to add &#039;gender identity&#039; as a category throughout NY state law, wherever the other protected categories exist. It doesn&#039;t have to be that way; GENDA could be changed to not include hate crimes protections, and to only be an act that protects trans people under anti-discrimination law, which is what those of us who don&#039;t believe in enhanced hate crimes penalties would like.

It seems that for much of the life of the bill, like up until summer 2008, many people involved in organizing to pass GENDA didn&#039;t even realize that language was in the bill because it hadn&#039;t been publicized.  Several groups in the GENDA Coalition attempted to initiate a discussion about the possible removal of the hate crimes language from GENDA-- you can read about how that process went down here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://srlp.org/node/301&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://srlp.org/node/301&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@eastsidekate &#8212; GENDA in NY state includes hate crimes protections because that&#8217;s how the act is written. The individuals who wrote it wanted to add &#8216;gender identity&#8217; as a category throughout NY state law, wherever the other protected categories exist. It doesn&#8217;t have to be that way; GENDA could be changed to not include hate crimes protections, and to only be an act that protects trans people under anti-discrimination law, which is what those of us who don&#8217;t believe in enhanced hate crimes penalties would like.</p>
<p>It seems that for much of the life of the bill, like up until summer 2008, many people involved in organizing to pass GENDA didn&#8217;t even realize that language was in the bill because it hadn&#8217;t been publicized.  Several groups in the GENDA Coalition attempted to initiate a discussion about the possible removal of the hate crimes language from GENDA&#8211; you can read about how that process went down here: <a href="http://srlp.org/node/301" rel="nofollow">http://srlp.org/node/301</a></p>
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		<title>By: eastsidekate</title>
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		<dc:creator>eastsidekate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.. I noticed after my posting that you&#039;re right, you said the use of Teish&#039;s birth name was out of respect for the family.  I apologize for that, and admit to being fairly angry when I wrote.  I was inserting my interpretation that I didn&#039;t see how respecting Teish&#039;s identity during the trial could possibly be harder on the family than having to relive the night of Teish&#039;s death throughout the week.

Also, the initial media reports did use the Lateisha&#039;s birth name, and I&#039;m assuming that the family&#039;s initial statements (along with police reports) had something to do with this.  However, that was nearly 9 months ago, and the public statement&#039;s I&#039;ve seen coming from the family recently haven&#039;t tended to use Teish&#039;s birth name.  Even if you accept the premise that the family owns Teish&#039;s identity (see gina&#039;s comment above), I see ample reason to think that the media could have changed.  For instance, I noticed that the CBS/NBC affiliates&#039; coverage was largely respectful, whereas the Post-Standard and News10Now&#039;s remained pretty awful throughout the trial.  Clearly, the media had enough material, time and education available to be respectful if it so chose. 

That said, while I regret the tone of my comment, I don&#039;t regret the content.  Perhaps we could have a respectful and healthy discussion.  However, as far as I can tell, you seem to be premising that discussion on the idea that because you&#039;re an LGBT advocate who was at the trial, your opinion holds some extra weight.  We both witnessed the trial, and we both advocate on behalf of the LGBT community.  My point was given that you seem so ready to dismiss Teish&#039;s identity on the basis of what others may have thought of her (including the bureaucracy), you&#039;re probably missing talking for trans people, rather than listening to them.  I&#039;m not sure that this means that I&#039;m &quot;erasing&quot; you as a trans advocate.  Rather, it means I&#039;m doubting whether you have the perspective to be an effective advocate for trans and gender non-conforming people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.. I noticed after my posting that you&#8217;re right, you said the use of Teish&#8217;s birth name was out of respect for the family.  I apologize for that, and admit to being fairly angry when I wrote.  I was inserting my interpretation that I didn&#8217;t see how respecting Teish&#8217;s identity during the trial could possibly be harder on the family than having to relive the night of Teish&#8217;s death throughout the week.</p>
<p>Also, the initial media reports did use the Lateisha&#8217;s birth name, and I&#8217;m assuming that the family&#8217;s initial statements (along with police reports) had something to do with this.  However, that was nearly 9 months ago, and the public statement&#8217;s I&#8217;ve seen coming from the family recently haven&#8217;t tended to use Teish&#8217;s birth name.  Even if you accept the premise that the family owns Teish&#8217;s identity (see gina&#8217;s comment above), I see ample reason to think that the media could have changed.  For instance, I noticed that the CBS/NBC affiliates&#8217; coverage was largely respectful, whereas the Post-Standard and News10Now&#8217;s remained pretty awful throughout the trial.  Clearly, the media had enough material, time and education available to be respectful if it so chose. </p>
<p>That said, while I regret the tone of my comment, I don&#8217;t regret the content.  Perhaps we could have a respectful and healthy discussion.  However, as far as I can tell, you seem to be premising that discussion on the idea that because you&#8217;re an LGBT advocate who was at the trial, your opinion holds some extra weight.  We both witnessed the trial, and we both advocate on behalf of the LGBT community.  My point was given that you seem so ready to dismiss Teish&#8217;s identity on the basis of what others may have thought of her (including the bureaucracy), you&#8217;re probably missing talking for trans people, rather than listening to them.  I&#8217;m not sure that this means that I&#8217;m &#8220;erasing&#8221; you as a trans advocate.  Rather, it means I&#8217;m doubting whether you have the perspective to be an effective advocate for trans and gender non-conforming people.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syracuse315 -- a person telling you how your words have been hurtful and damaging to them is not &quot;silencing,&quot; and so we are not going down that road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syracuse315 &#8212; a person telling you how your words have been hurtful and damaging to them is not &#8220;silencing,&#8221; and so we are not going down that road.</p>
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		<title>By: Syracuse315</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syracuse315</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@eastsidekate: I did not use the word &quot;traumatizing&quot; nor did I think that it was traumatizing. I believe I used the word respect. When news articles first broke in the Post-Standard, the family used Moses Cannon. This is what the local media here used because that is what they had to work with. 

I think it&#039;s interesting that you would try to silence me as a trans advocate or even try to have a respectful discussion with me about my comment or what I witnessed at the trial. Rather than having a healthy discussion, you would silence someone who is helping this family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@eastsidekate: I did not use the word &#8220;traumatizing&#8221; nor did I think that it was traumatizing. I believe I used the word respect. When news articles first broke in the Post-Standard, the family used Moses Cannon. This is what the local media here used because that is what they had to work with. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s interesting that you would try to silence me as a trans advocate or even try to have a respectful discussion with me about my comment or what I witnessed at the trial. Rather than having a healthy discussion, you would silence someone who is helping this family.</p>
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