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		<title>By: Tati Tuesdays: Weeks of July 14-20 and July 21-27 &#171; A Lesbian and a Scholar</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/the-oppressor-within/#comment-258606</link>
		<dc:creator>Tati Tuesdays: Weeks of July 14-20 and July 21-27 &#171; A Lesbian and a Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an interesting post up at Feministe about racism and prejudice, heavily commented on as well.  I&#8217;ve been thinking about this a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an interesting post up at Feministe about racism and prejudice, heavily commented on as well.  I&#8217;ve been thinking about this a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Harney</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/the-oppressor-within/#comment-253089</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Harney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is to say, my reasons for seeking surgery had to do with comfort in my own body, not with what others expect of me. The problem isn&#039;t whether or not trans people seek surgery (this is &lt;em&gt;not a problem&lt;/em&gt;, but how such surgery is marked by cis people - how involuntary surgeries are invoked in opposition to surgeries that trans people voluntarily seek, how so much is weighted on what genitals look like, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is to say, my reasons for seeking surgery had to do with comfort in my own body, not with what others expect of me. The problem isn&#8217;t whether or not trans people seek surgery (this is <em>not a problem</em>, but how such surgery is marked by cis people &#8211; how involuntary surgeries are invoked in opposition to surgeries that trans people voluntarily seek, how so much is weighted on what genitals look like, and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Harney</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/the-oppressor-within/#comment-253081</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Harney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that even if there weren&#039;t a huge emphasis on genitals defining sex/gender that people would still get surgery. I don&#039;t believe that society is responsible for the existence of trans people, just responsible for how we&#039;re treated and (usually) objectified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that even if there weren&#8217;t a huge emphasis on genitals defining sex/gender that people would still get surgery. I don&#8217;t believe that society is responsible for the existence of trans people, just responsible for how we&#8217;re treated and (usually) objectified.</p>
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		<title>By: rioTgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/the-oppressor-within/#comment-253080</link>
		<dc:creator>rioTgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classism is the hardest for me to get through. I used to hold some very privileged ideas about race, but thanks to some early calling out I hope I am more able to STFU if POCs are discussing issues of race without centering the discussion on my hurt feelings and need for cookies (I really hope this is the case).

Issues of class are hard for me. I&#039;ve been destitute - one iffy circumstance from homelessness. Still, I have a middle-class background. I know how to navigate that word as it is my own. Even though I have a history of personal abuse at the hands of &quot;poor&quot; and rural men and I used that as a shield for my own messed up reactions to &quot;poor&quot; and white and especially rural folks. I can get past some serious &quot;gut-level&quot; reactions and assumptions (they will be ignorant, mean, angry, drunk, bad parents, prone to violence etc.) it&#039;s a tough one to work out for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classism is the hardest for me to get through. I used to hold some very privileged ideas about race, but thanks to some early calling out I hope I am more able to STFU if POCs are discussing issues of race without centering the discussion on my hurt feelings and need for cookies (I really hope this is the case).</p>
<p>Issues of class are hard for me. I&#8217;ve been destitute &#8211; one iffy circumstance from homelessness. Still, I have a middle-class background. I know how to navigate that word as it is my own. Even though I have a history of personal abuse at the hands of &#8220;poor&#8221; and rural men and I used that as a shield for my own messed up reactions to &#8220;poor&#8221; and white and especially rural folks. I can get past some serious &#8220;gut-level&#8221; reactions and assumptions (they will be ignorant, mean, angry, drunk, bad parents, prone to violence etc.) it&#8217;s a tough one to work out for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Vexing</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/the-oppressor-within/#comment-253050</link>
		<dc:creator>Vexing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;jemand&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;said:

I guess what I fight most is transphobia– because I have so internalized “don’t cut genitals” from my vehement opposition to FGM, male circumcision, doctor’s “sex assignment” at birth of the intersexed… it’s very hard for me to “turn that off” when the person in question is actually asking for GRS. Living as the other sex? sure. Hormones even? ok. Asking a doctor to conduct surgery on your genitals? aaaeeeiiiii!!&lt;/i&gt;

If there wasn&#039;t this MASSIVE emphasis on genitalia defining who we are as a person, trans men and women wouldn&#039;t have to undergo these radical surgeries to conform to YOUR expectations.
If society could accept women with little estrogenised penises and men with the capacity to have babies, then this would all be a non issue.
Unfortunately the first questions a pregnant woman is asked is &quot;Do you know if it&#039;s a boy or a girl?&quot; and the answer is based on the genitals seen in a scan.
If schools were to stop teaching &quot;Boys have penises and girls have vaginas&quot; then once again, this issue would cease to exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>jemand</b> <i>said:</p>
<p>I guess what I fight most is transphobia– because I have so internalized “don’t cut genitals” from my vehement opposition to FGM, male circumcision, doctor’s “sex assignment” at birth of the intersexed… it’s very hard for me to “turn that off” when the person in question is actually asking for GRS. Living as the other sex? sure. Hormones even? ok. Asking a doctor to conduct surgery on your genitals? aaaeeeiiiii!!</i></p>
<p>If there wasn&#8217;t this MASSIVE emphasis on genitalia defining who we are as a person, trans men and women wouldn&#8217;t have to undergo these radical surgeries to conform to YOUR expectations.<br />
If society could accept women with little estrogenised penises and men with the capacity to have babies, then this would all be a non issue.<br />
Unfortunately the first questions a pregnant woman is asked is &#8220;Do you know if it&#8217;s a boy or a girl?&#8221; and the answer is based on the genitals seen in a scan.<br />
If schools were to stop teaching &#8220;Boys have penises and girls have vaginas&#8221; then once again, this issue would cease to exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Harney</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/the-oppressor-within/#comment-252985</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Harney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the purpose of my post wasn&#039;t to call Bint out, but to point to certain problematic statements that are routinely made about trans people (and trans women specifically) that were stated in this thread.

Also, if I didn&#039;t post about it, my head was going to explode.

I don&#039;t actually regret the pingback, but at the time I was  worried about disrupting the process more than I needed to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the purpose of my post wasn&#8217;t to call Bint out, but to point to certain problematic statements that are routinely made about trans people (and trans women specifically) that were stated in this thread.</p>
<p>Also, if I didn&#8217;t post about it, my head was going to explode.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t actually regret the pingback, but at the time I was  worried about disrupting the process more than I needed to be.</p>
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		<title>By: cacophonies</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/the-oppressor-within/#comment-252984</link>
		<dc:creator>cacophonies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What kinds of bigotry are the easiest for you to spot others engaging in?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I’m often most aware of sexism, homophobia, and transphobia.  This is likely because, as a female, I am a frequent recipient of sexist behavior, and I have been close with/am related to/have friends that are homosexual or transgender.  Other bigoted behaviors likely don&#039;t cross my mind as often because I&#039;m not as exposed to them.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you have a tendency to exhibit certain kinds of bigoted behavior? Ablism? Racism? Transphobia? Classism? Sexism? Homophobia? Xenophobia? Something else?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is a very tough question—not because I can’t think of anything, but because it forces the person answering the question to admit behaving in a prejudiced way.

I most often find myself not necessarily outwardly exhibiting, but definitely thinking, through a fatphobic lens.  I find myself continuing to slip into the “it’s unhealthy,” “you can take the stairs up one flight, get off the damn elevator,” etc., mentality.  Even typing it makes me feel kind of queasy.  

Thank you for this post; I know a lot of people have expressed concern over problematic comments, but I think that ultimately, admitting bigoted behavior like that “out loud” is a really good reminder of how ultimately terrible prejudices like the ones expressed here are to the person that holds them, and serves as an impetus for change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What kinds of bigotry are the easiest for you to spot others engaging in?</p></blockquote>
<p>I’m often most aware of sexism, homophobia, and transphobia.  This is likely because, as a female, I am a frequent recipient of sexist behavior, and I have been close with/am related to/have friends that are homosexual or transgender.  Other bigoted behaviors likely don&#8217;t cross my mind as often because I&#8217;m not as exposed to them.  </p>
<blockquote><p>Do you have a tendency to exhibit certain kinds of bigoted behavior? Ablism? Racism? Transphobia? Classism? Sexism? Homophobia? Xenophobia? Something else?</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a very tough question—not because I can’t think of anything, but because it forces the person answering the question to admit behaving in a prejudiced way.</p>
<p>I most often find myself not necessarily outwardly exhibiting, but definitely thinking, through a fatphobic lens.  I find myself continuing to slip into the “it’s unhealthy,” “you can take the stairs up one flight, get off the damn elevator,” etc., mentality.  Even typing it makes me feel kind of queasy.  </p>
<p>Thank you for this post; I know a lot of people have expressed concern over problematic comments, but I think that ultimately, admitting bigoted behavior like that “out loud” is a really good reminder of how ultimately terrible prejudices like the ones expressed here are to the person that holds them, and serves as an impetus for change.</p>
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		<title>By: shah8</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/the-oppressor-within/#comment-252978</link>
		<dc:creator>shah8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case this ever makes it through....

http://ciderpress.livejournal.com/214072.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case this ever makes it through&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://ciderpress.livejournal.com/214072.html" rel="nofollow">http://ciderpress.livejournal.com/214072.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: shah8</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/the-oppressor-within/#comment-252913</link>
		<dc:creator>shah8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t even respond, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t even respond, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: DaisyDeadhead</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/17/the-oppressor-within/#comment-252906</link>
		<dc:creator>DaisyDeadhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS:  One of my posts is still in moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS:  One of my posts is still in moderation.</p>
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