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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/28/14925/#comment-259756</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I long for the day when you don&#039;t have to hide privately what you do publicly, when you don&#039;t have to cater to hypocrites, liars, abusers &amp; thieves because their bigotry is sanctioned by a social structure which worships the love of power, not of people. Peace - there are folks who can and do think for ourselves - 
you are not alone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I long for the day when you don&#8217;t have to hide privately what you do publicly, when you don&#8217;t have to cater to hypocrites, liars, abusers &amp; thieves because their bigotry is sanctioned by a social structure which worships the love of power, not of people. Peace &#8211; there are folks who can and do think for ourselves &#8211;<br />
you are not alone!</p>
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		<title>By: Hexy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/28/14925/#comment-259284</link>
		<dc:creator>Hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry, Ren! &lt;a href = &quot;http://www.findingmygoddess.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;THIS DUDE&lt;/a&gt; is totally cool with dating sex workers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry, Ren! <a href = "http://www.findingmygoddess.com/" rel="nofollow">THIS DUDE</a> is totally cool with dating sex workers!</p>
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		<title>By: nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/28/14925/#comment-259199</link>
		<dc:creator>nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always really happy and excited for escorts who are able to maintain meaningful sexual relationships with their significant others/whatever while they are working. I clung to that idea while I was a full service escort, hoping that it would get better. The truth is, for me, that I didn&#039;t want to be touched sexually in most cases because I was being touched sexually by people every day of my life for pay. The money was addicting, but what it did to my relationship was not. I do wish I could be an escort again so I could make in one hour what I now make in two weeks, but it&#039;s not worth it for me. Cheers to those who are able to make relationships work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always really happy and excited for escorts who are able to maintain meaningful sexual relationships with their significant others/whatever while they are working. I clung to that idea while I was a full service escort, hoping that it would get better. The truth is, for me, that I didn&#8217;t want to be touched sexually in most cases because I was being touched sexually by people every day of my life for pay. The money was addicting, but what it did to my relationship was not. I do wish I could be an escort again so I could make in one hour what I now make in two weeks, but it&#8217;s not worth it for me. Cheers to those who are able to make relationships work!</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/28/14925/#comment-259067</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jannet:

I think there are different kinds of prejudice- as in the topless dancer or pro domme takes slightly less crap  than folk who actually have sex for money (escorting/porn), but they ALL take crap.  Iguess it depends on the people really.   I know some folk were shocked with me dancing, but mortified about the porn thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jannet:</p>
<p>I think there are different kinds of prejudice- as in the topless dancer or pro domme takes slightly less crap  than folk who actually have sex for money (escorting/porn), but they ALL take crap.  Iguess it depends on the people really.   I know some folk were shocked with me dancing, but mortified about the porn thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jannet</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/28/14925/#comment-259065</link>
		<dc:creator>Jannet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is so spot on.  When working, I&#039;ve always been honest about being married in the hopes of avoiding anyone trying to get &quot;close&quot; to me (I usually don&#039;t mention that we&#039;re also poly... ::devilish grin::).  I often get this:  &quot;Wow!  If I was your husband, there&#039;s no way I&#039;d let you do this!&quot;  me: &quot;Yeah, well, I probably wouldn&#039;t marry you.&quot;  This always gets a big laugh -- from me, anyway!  XD 

I usually don&#039;t tell anyone that I&#039;ve worked as a &quot;companion.&quot;  Even my really progressive friends who are okay with dancing would feel iky about that.  My closest friends know, but we don&#039;t often talk about it.  I feel like they find it distasteful.  And I&#039;m so tired of being analyzed, when there&#039;s really nothing worth analyzing there.  

Also, I have three kids.  One of whom was taken from me by my ex and his family for a year because they found out I was employed by an escort agency.  I actually signed over custody to my ex instead of facing a judge -- it was just too dehumanizing and I felt it was obvious that NOBODY was on my side.  Bad time.  It&#039;s taken me three years and finally I&#039;m starting to heal. (btw, I have standard visitaion with my child, now, and my ex and I are starting to work things out.)  

The argument that being a sex worker is OBVIOUSLY DANGEROUS to a child is so pervasive.  I hardly ever tell anyone the real details of my story because I know that all the injustices I&#039;ve been through would be washed over, and the other side would be instantly justified in any horrible thing they did (including completely alienating and cutting off a 2yr old from a parent, something that many child psychologists will label as child abuse).  This has happened:  &quot;Well, I&#039;m sorry that happened to you, but I understand their point of view...&quot;  WHAT?!  ... I&#039;ve just given up looking for support.  I&#039;ve got my mom and partner and that&#039;s all I need.

Ren, have you noticed different kinds of prejudice re: marriage in different areas of sex work?  For instance, do you see a comparable stigma against prostitutes and porn performers who are married/have children?  Is it generally more acceptable for one&#039;s spouse to dance in a topless club than an all nude club?   etc.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is so spot on.  When working, I&#8217;ve always been honest about being married in the hopes of avoiding anyone trying to get &#8220;close&#8221; to me (I usually don&#8217;t mention that we&#8217;re also poly&#8230; ::devilish grin::).  I often get this:  &#8220;Wow!  If I was your husband, there&#8217;s no way I&#8217;d let you do this!&#8221;  me: &#8220;Yeah, well, I probably wouldn&#8217;t marry you.&#8221;  This always gets a big laugh &#8212; from me, anyway!  XD </p>
<p>I usually don&#8217;t tell anyone that I&#8217;ve worked as a &#8220;companion.&#8221;  Even my really progressive friends who are okay with dancing would feel iky about that.  My closest friends know, but we don&#8217;t often talk about it.  I feel like they find it distasteful.  And I&#8217;m so tired of being analyzed, when there&#8217;s really nothing worth analyzing there.  </p>
<p>Also, I have three kids.  One of whom was taken from me by my ex and his family for a year because they found out I was employed by an escort agency.  I actually signed over custody to my ex instead of facing a judge &#8212; it was just too dehumanizing and I felt it was obvious that NOBODY was on my side.  Bad time.  It&#8217;s taken me three years and finally I&#8217;m starting to heal. (btw, I have standard visitaion with my child, now, and my ex and I are starting to work things out.)  </p>
<p>The argument that being a sex worker is OBVIOUSLY DANGEROUS to a child is so pervasive.  I hardly ever tell anyone the real details of my story because I know that all the injustices I&#8217;ve been through would be washed over, and the other side would be instantly justified in any horrible thing they did (including completely alienating and cutting off a 2yr old from a parent, something that many child psychologists will label as child abuse).  This has happened:  &#8220;Well, I&#8217;m sorry that happened to you, but I understand their point of view&#8230;&#8221;  WHAT?!  &#8230; I&#8217;ve just given up looking for support.  I&#8217;ve got my mom and partner and that&#8217;s all I need.</p>
<p>Ren, have you noticed different kinds of prejudice re: marriage in different areas of sex work?  For instance, do you see a comparable stigma against prostitutes and porn performers who are married/have children?  Is it generally more acceptable for one&#8217;s spouse to dance in a topless club than an all nude club?   etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/28/14925/#comment-258785</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pretty much have contempt for the corporate and political mindset that one&#039;s spouse/SO/whatever was supposed to be part of their career. I never wanted a &quot;corporate wife&quot;, nor married Jane to get one. I never thought it was her job to have just the right opinions express just the right way. Nor, do I expect that my work or opinions or anything else should be a reflection on her.

That which applies here surely applies in your situation. I&#039;m glad the Mr. E, for the most part, rises to the situation. I wish his co-workers and friends would do so as well. It&#039;s not that hard to do really, once you get used to the idea that society isn&#039;t all that sharp at gauging what is important.

Then again, if society had any sort of sensible values, you&#039;d be appreciated for being industrious and productive. It&#039;s the fucked up polemics that deeply discounts (and often parades it&#039;s contempt for) sex that is half the problem here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pretty much have contempt for the corporate and political mindset that one&#8217;s spouse/SO/whatever was supposed to be part of their career. I never wanted a &#8220;corporate wife&#8221;, nor married Jane to get one. I never thought it was her job to have just the right opinions express just the right way. Nor, do I expect that my work or opinions or anything else should be a reflection on her.</p>
<p>That which applies here surely applies in your situation. I&#8217;m glad the Mr. E, for the most part, rises to the situation. I wish his co-workers and friends would do so as well. It&#8217;s not that hard to do really, once you get used to the idea that society isn&#8217;t all that sharp at gauging what is important.</p>
<p>Then again, if society had any sort of sensible values, you&#8217;d be appreciated for being industrious and productive. It&#8217;s the fucked up polemics that deeply discounts (and often parades it&#8217;s contempt for) sex that is half the problem here.</p>
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		<title>By: lilacsigil</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/28/14925/#comment-258776</link>
		<dc:creator>lilacsigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hexy - Yeah, obviously &quot;buying drugs&quot; isn&#039;t covered by other laws, let&#039;s have an extra one *just* for sex workers that can be used to harrass them other ways too! How special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hexy &#8211; Yeah, obviously &#8220;buying drugs&#8221; isn&#8217;t covered by other laws, let&#8217;s have an extra one *just* for sex workers that can be used to harrass them other ways too! How special.</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/28/14925/#comment-258733</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daisy Bond:  100% correct...het people who aren&#039;t sex workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daisy Bond:  100% correct&#8230;het people who aren&#8217;t sex workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazella Moore and Marriage in Florida &#124; Marriage</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/28/14925/#comment-258723</link>
		<dc:creator>Jazella Moore and Marriage in Florida &#124; Marriage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a writer on the Feministe blog and a sex worker herself, pens an excellent post about the ruckus that gets stirred up when people find out someone in the adult industry is (gasp) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hexy</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/07/28/14925/#comment-258711</link>
		<dc:creator>Hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What the hell do they think zie is doing with the money, then? Wearing it? Eating it? I can see that kind of law getting passed, nominally to prevent pimps, and then, as usual, being used to hassle the prostitutes themselves.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Spending it on a drug habit, probably. The stereotypes are pretty well represented in the minds of non-sex workers influencing law.

It&#039;s just not expected that sex workers have partners and children (and if they DO have children, the kids are probably neglected) or educations or mortgages... etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What the hell do they think zie is doing with the money, then? Wearing it? Eating it? I can see that kind of law getting passed, nominally to prevent pimps, and then, as usual, being used to hassle the prostitutes themselves.</p></blockquote>
<p>Spending it on a drug habit, probably. The stereotypes are pretty well represented in the minds of non-sex workers influencing law.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just not expected that sex workers have partners and children (and if they DO have children, the kids are probably neglected) or educations or mortgages&#8230; etc.</p>
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