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		<title>By: Mothers For Women's Lib</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/05/sacrifice-parenting-feminism/#comment-275184</link>
		<dc:creator>Mothers For Women's Lib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fourth Carnival of Feminist&#160;Parenting...&lt;/strong&gt;

Welcome to the September 13 14, 2009 edition of the Carnival of Feminist Parenting. Sorry it&#8217;s late, I was finding it hard to type yesterday due to having decapitated my finger with a potato peeler (don&#8217;t ask).
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<p>Welcome to the September 13 14, 2009 edition of the Carnival of Feminist Parenting. Sorry it&#8217;s late, I was finding it hard to type yesterday due to having decapitated my finger with a potato peeler (don&#8217;t ask).<br />
There have been precisely two&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/05/sacrifice-parenting-feminism/#comment-267710</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good lord, it took me ages to get through all the comments. Anyway, I first read about men breastfeeding here: http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/20193.html

When I casually asked my husband if he would consider BF, he responded &quot;no&quot; without thinking. I&#039;m not entirely sure if it&#039;s because he&#039;s seen how much work is involved in BF or because it&#039;s just something that women do, but the idea that men would refuse to use their own bodies to nourish their own children while being supportive of BF mothers is ridiculous to me. But of course he&#039;s willing to feed our son with BM in a bottle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord, it took me ages to get through all the comments. Anyway, I first read about men breastfeeding here: <a href="http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/20193.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/20193.html</a></p>
<p>When I casually asked my husband if he would consider BF, he responded &#8220;no&#8221; without thinking. I&#8217;m not entirely sure if it&#8217;s because he&#8217;s seen how much work is involved in BF or because it&#8217;s just something that women do, but the idea that men would refuse to use their own bodies to nourish their own children while being supportive of BF mothers is ridiculous to me. But of course he&#8217;s willing to feed our son with BM in a bottle.</p>
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		<title>By: plain(s)feminist</title>
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		<dc:creator>plain(s)feminist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cristy - I think these discussions are happening, to some extent, in the Journal and other publications of the Association for Research on Mothering.  I also think that Ariel Gore and the zine she founded, Hip Mama, take on some of these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cristy &#8211; I think these discussions are happening, to some extent, in the Journal and other publications of the Association for Research on Mothering.  I also think that Ariel Gore and the zine she founded, Hip Mama, take on some of these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: TeenDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeenDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m now 19 and experiencing being a dad. I must say although it feels good it&#039;s still hard. I knew it wouldn&#039;t be easy but to be honest, the hard part is having to balance time. My daughter is great and makes managing her never dreadful. -Teen dad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m now 19 and experiencing being a dad. I must say although it feels good it&#8217;s still hard. I knew it wouldn&#8217;t be easy but to be honest, the hard part is having to balance time. My daughter is great and makes managing her never dreadful. -Teen dad</p>
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		<title>By: Cristy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. As a feminist, attachment parenting mother this post really spoke to me. I would also love to see more of an exploration of the issue that you raised at the end - the overly individualistic focus of white middle-class feminism and how this almost places babies in the position of &#039;enemies to feminism&#039;. A feminism that, instead, demanded more from the community in terms of supporting mothers, children, and (involved) fathers would be far more useful in my opinion...

To be clear: I think that this feminism does exist, but that the more individualist one tends to get more air time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. As a feminist, attachment parenting mother this post really spoke to me. I would also love to see more of an exploration of the issue that you raised at the end &#8211; the overly individualistic focus of white middle-class feminism and how this almost places babies in the position of &#8216;enemies to feminism&#8217;. A feminism that, instead, demanded more from the community in terms of supporting mothers, children, and (involved) fathers would be far more useful in my opinion&#8230;</p>
<p>To be clear: I think that this feminism does exist, but that the more individualist one tends to get more air time.</p>
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		<title>By: akeeyu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/05/sacrifice-parenting-feminism/#comment-267359</link>
		<dc:creator>akeeyu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The idea that you can’t take a walk without the baby? Feed the child then go (assuming you have a partner or community to help), you’ve got at least an hour, usually more time than that, to get out and go for a walk, take a long shower, etc. &quot;

...that&#039;s a pretty big assumption.

Also, some of us don&#039;t leave our kids with babysitters or daycare because our children have atypical physical challenges (read: they&#039;re sick, and not in an acute or temporary way) that means that babysitters aren&#039;t qualified and no daycare would accept the liability involved.

I&#039;m not granola enough for the AP crowd, but granola enough that the non-AP crowd thinks I&#039;m weird.  For me, the helpful part of AP is the idea that you don&#039;t always have to &#039;fix&#039; your child, or train them like a dog.  You don&#039;t have to teach your child how to sleep or when to eat, you just kind of roll with it.  

It&#039;s not so much a lack of discipline as it is an acceptance of how babies ARE, which is kind of annoying and inconvenient sometimes (no matter how zen you are, I do not believe you if you tell me that  you do not mind growth spurts, when your child wakes you up 5 times in one night to eat or play or just cry, and you have to work in the morning, AND you have the flu), but that&#039;s a feature, not a bug.  Babies are needy because they have NEEDS, not because they&#039;ve been raised wrong.

We co-sleep because we sleep a lot better when we don&#039;t have to listen for a monitor or get out of bed when the babies cry.  Rolling over and patting a baby is much more convenient than dragging your bleary ass out of bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The idea that you can’t take a walk without the baby? Feed the child then go (assuming you have a partner or community to help), you’ve got at least an hour, usually more time than that, to get out and go for a walk, take a long shower, etc. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;that&#8217;s a pretty big assumption.</p>
<p>Also, some of us don&#8217;t leave our kids with babysitters or daycare because our children have atypical physical challenges (read: they&#8217;re sick, and not in an acute or temporary way) that means that babysitters aren&#8217;t qualified and no daycare would accept the liability involved.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not granola enough for the AP crowd, but granola enough that the non-AP crowd thinks I&#8217;m weird.  For me, the helpful part of AP is the idea that you don&#8217;t always have to &#8216;fix&#8217; your child, or train them like a dog.  You don&#8217;t have to teach your child how to sleep or when to eat, you just kind of roll with it.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not so much a lack of discipline as it is an acceptance of how babies ARE, which is kind of annoying and inconvenient sometimes (no matter how zen you are, I do not believe you if you tell me that  you do not mind growth spurts, when your child wakes you up 5 times in one night to eat or play or just cry, and you have to work in the morning, AND you have the flu), but that&#8217;s a feature, not a bug.  Babies are needy because they have NEEDS, not because they&#8217;ve been raised wrong.</p>
<p>We co-sleep because we sleep a lot better when we don&#8217;t have to listen for a monitor or get out of bed when the babies cry.  Rolling over and patting a baby is much more convenient than dragging your bleary ass out of bed.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh, the many facets of the breastfeeding exprience &#171; blue milk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh, the many facets of the breastfeeding exprience &#171; blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] August 6th, 2009 at 10:52 am -Breastfeeding is what it is: sometimes a welcome respite and sometimes a pain in the ass. And of course it is different things for different women, and I’m sure here at Feministe we can understand that not all women approach the same thing in the same way. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] August 6th, 2009 at 10:52 am -Breastfeeding is what it is: sometimes a welcome respite and sometimes a pain in the ass. And of course it is different things for different women, and I’m sure here at Feministe we can understand that not all women approach the same thing in the same way. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fantastic feminist motherhood discussion over at Feministe &#171; blue milk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fantastic feminist motherhood discussion over at Feministe &#171; blue milk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a blog but I can&#8217;t do both. Frustratingly I am missing all sorts of great discussion, and this one over at Feministe is exhibit number one. OK – so I’ve written all of that simply to get into the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a blog but I can&#8217;t do both. Frustratingly I am missing all sorts of great discussion, and this one over at Feministe is exhibit number one. OK – so I’ve written all of that simply to get into the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: antiprincess</title>
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		<dc:creator>antiprincess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know, as white and privileged (yet desperately culturally sensitive) as I am, I wouldn&#039;t use a stroller if Our Lord and Savior Great White Blue-Eyed Republican  Jesus himself invented it. And I get slightly pissy when I (whether personally or by generalization) catch crap for using an obviously better, cheaper, safer and saner alternative.

I like a carrier. I do a lot of walking and bus riding (I can&#039;t afford a car), and a stroller just isn&#039;t as maneuverable as my own two feet. Also, it doesn&#039;t make sense to me to push around x-whatever pounds of stroller in addition to however many pounds of baby I have to haul (even factoring in the fact it&#039;s on wheels). Further, the distance between me and the baby in a stroller makes me nervous. what if he stops breathing, or has some kind of seizure, or swallows a bee, or...? if the baby is right on me, I at least know he&#039;s still alive. as a frantic new mom, that&#039;s reassuring.

when I&#039;m on the bus and carrying my son in a ring sling, sometimes spanish-speaking bus passengers assume I speak Spanish. When I&#039;m using my wrap and the baby&#039;s on my back, West African bus riders tell me &quot;that is the way to do it, like we do back home.&quot;

of course, as I type this I realize that my average-white-mom&#039;s privileged pissiness doesn&#039;t really measure up against the cumulative effects of a lifetime of cultural insults.

But I am grateful for my carriers. they let me do stuff I couldn&#039;t otherwise do and go places I couldn&#039;t otherwise go. I can&#039;t pretend I&#039;m some sort of earth-mother goddess with magical mommy powers, but I am every day grateful for my global ancestors who make my own little mommy-bubble a saner place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know, as white and privileged (yet desperately culturally sensitive) as I am, I wouldn&#8217;t use a stroller if Our Lord and Savior Great White Blue-Eyed Republican  Jesus himself invented it. And I get slightly pissy when I (whether personally or by generalization) catch crap for using an obviously better, cheaper, safer and saner alternative.</p>
<p>I like a carrier. I do a lot of walking and bus riding (I can&#8217;t afford a car), and a stroller just isn&#8217;t as maneuverable as my own two feet. Also, it doesn&#8217;t make sense to me to push around x-whatever pounds of stroller in addition to however many pounds of baby I have to haul (even factoring in the fact it&#8217;s on wheels). Further, the distance between me and the baby in a stroller makes me nervous. what if he stops breathing, or has some kind of seizure, or swallows a bee, or&#8230;? if the baby is right on me, I at least know he&#8217;s still alive. as a frantic new mom, that&#8217;s reassuring.</p>
<p>when I&#8217;m on the bus and carrying my son in a ring sling, sometimes spanish-speaking bus passengers assume I speak Spanish. When I&#8217;m using my wrap and the baby&#8217;s on my back, West African bus riders tell me &#8220;that is the way to do it, like we do back home.&#8221;</p>
<p>of course, as I type this I realize that my average-white-mom&#8217;s privileged pissiness doesn&#8217;t really measure up against the cumulative effects of a lifetime of cultural insults.</p>
<p>But I am grateful for my carriers. they let me do stuff I couldn&#8217;t otherwise do and go places I couldn&#8217;t otherwise go. I can&#8217;t pretend I&#8217;m some sort of earth-mother goddess with magical mommy powers, but I am every day grateful for my global ancestors who make my own little mommy-bubble a saner place.</p>
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		<title>By: mama mia</title>
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		<dc:creator>mama mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to make one comment back on the topic of exoticizing.  It is absolutely true that there is a strain of &quot;Look at the beautiful noble savage with her natural primitive ways- she is a mother goddess.&quot;  

But to build on a comment I think bfp was making, be careful with how vigorously you attack that idea.  I think some people are so insistent that &quot;they would never choose to live the way they live if they had any other options&quot; that what is implicit in their message is &quot;those women would be white, mainstream Americans if they had any options- they aren&#039;t primitive and happy, they are primitive and depressed.&quot;

Both sides are essentially calling women from other cultures primitive.  Would they all choose to use strollers if they had the option?  Some would, some wouldn&#039;t.  Don&#039;t glorify the &quot;happy savage&quot; but let&#039;s also not diminish them to &quot;unhappy savage&quot; either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to make one comment back on the topic of exoticizing.  It is absolutely true that there is a strain of &#8220;Look at the beautiful noble savage with her natural primitive ways- she is a mother goddess.&#8221;  </p>
<p>But to build on a comment I think bfp was making, be careful with how vigorously you attack that idea.  I think some people are so insistent that &#8220;they would never choose to live the way they live if they had any other options&#8221; that what is implicit in their message is &#8220;those women would be white, mainstream Americans if they had any options- they aren&#8217;t primitive and happy, they are primitive and depressed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Both sides are essentially calling women from other cultures primitive.  Would they all choose to use strollers if they had the option?  Some would, some wouldn&#8217;t.  Don&#8217;t glorify the &#8220;happy savage&#8221; but let&#8217;s also not diminish them to &#8220;unhappy savage&#8221; either.</p>
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