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Jill has been blogging for Feministe since 2005.
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  1. Nin
    Nin August 7, 2009 at 1:48 pm |

    A profoundly honest article. We need to keep saying these things, even if they hit a nerve on the highly reactive reich wing.

  2. BadKitty
    BadKitty August 7, 2009 at 2:42 pm |

    Thank you for posting this story. Dr. Tiller and Dr. Hern are heroes and deserve our respect and gratitude.

  3. Soma
    Soma August 7, 2009 at 3:14 pm |

    Comparing the anti-choice movement to aspects Nazism is totally accurate–probably the most accurate use of that comparison in modern American society. Central to Nazi rhetoric you found this semantic breakdown: you would hear things like “Jews are vermin.” Not “Jews are like vermin,” but “Jews are vermin.” And when the believers repeated it ad nauseum it made killing a Jew, or a Roma, Communist, etc. no different from killing a rat.

    Anti-choice rhetoric shows the same breakdown, as pointed out in this post. We see people running around saying “abortion is murder” when it’s clearly not. Why isn’t it murder? Why isn’t a duck a tool shed? Why isn’t Barack Obama an oboe? We’re talking about two things that bear no empirical similarity to one another. “Abortion is like murder,” you can almost see if you shoot up an overdose of naive sentimentality and squint at it hard enough from just the right angle, but the removal of that one middle word puts it so far past that. It’s a story that you can readily see happening in the 1930′s (and not just in Germany) and we all know how it ends.

  4. Bakka
    Bakka August 7, 2009 at 5:12 pm |

    If there are laws about truth in advertising, why are there no laws about truth in politics? It would seem to me to be an even more important arena for requiring some attachment to truth. I mean, in advertising, at worst you might waste a few dollars, but in politics, you can seriously detrimentally affect the conditions of your life and your liberty.

    I am a PhD student from Canada, and my area of study is health care systems. This means that I spend about 8-15 hours a day (for the last 10 years) looking at health care systems and what makes them work or not.

    One thing that is seriously bugging me is the amount of misinformation that is being spread about the Canadian health care system in these debates about health care reform in the USA. Yes, we ration (so do you). But in Canada it is illegal, it is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms bit.ly/10RqHn, to ration based on age. There is absolutely no age-based rationing occurring here. The whole thing about Obama’s plan killing old people began with some stupid second-hand story about someone being denied care in Canada because they were too old. That is just total BS.

  5. Nationalized health care
    Nationalized health care August 7, 2009 at 8:52 pm |

    bakka-

    Yes, we ration (so do you). But in Canada it is illegal, it is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms bit.ly/10RqHn, to ration based on age.

    I agree. You “ration” everyone.

    How can you support a system where an entire Province couldn’t find even a single neo-natal IC bed when needed? What happens if the US hospital says “No.”?

  6. Ouyang Dan
    Ouyang Dan August 8, 2009 at 12:33 am |

    A great and honest article…but seriously, I hate the term “abortionist”. For crying out loud, this person is a doctor who happens to perform abortions. Is it so hard to address him as such? I don’t think you can write a neutral piece on abortion if you are going to call the doctor an abortionist. It’s inflammatory and I think that it paints a picture of some bloodthirsty money crazed butcher, as opposed to a doctor who specializes in a particular branch of medicine to help women and families. *shrugs*

  7. Dawn.
    Dawn. August 8, 2009 at 2:52 am |

    An honest and exceptionally well-put article, Jill. It is so infuriating that we allow so much misinformation to pour from mainstream media, Fox News in particular. It means nothing to me when far-right lunatics like Bill O’Reilly “condemn” Dr. Tiller assassination (yes it was an assassination). You call someone a “Baby Killer” and accuse him of genocide on national television hundreds of times and then you act appalled when someone who believed it “avenges” the “babies”? WTF.

    I agree with Bakka: If there are laws about truth in advertising, why are there no laws about truth in politics? Seriously. Why is there no fact-checking and no accountability?

    Early this afternoon on CNN they were showing coverage of the anti-health care reform mobs at various town halls, and they had a man from a conservative coalition on, who literally lied several times about what “the American people are afraid of,” i.e. things that appear nowhere in any of the health care reform bills. I was honestly disgusted. I have no problem with people who disagree with me speaking their mind in a public forum. I do have a problem with people shitting in my hand and calling it a sundae.

  8. Dr. Confused
    Dr. Confused August 8, 2009 at 3:34 am |

    I’m halfway through the article and already quite annoyed with the author. He keeps calling the patients “moms” despite being repeatedly corrected by the doctor. He throws out anti-choice talking points as interview questions.

  9. Bakka
    Bakka August 8, 2009 at 12:32 pm |

    Nationalized health care, it is kind of weird that you rely in your response on an issue that happened in Alberta, because this is one of the few Canadian provinces that has allowed for-profit medicine. So, actually I don’t support “Province couldn’t find even a single neo-natal IC bed” because the system in Alberta is one that has refused federal transfers for health funding in order to allow for-profit care. When Alberta fond oil, it became a rich province and decided it could afford to violate Federal Laws, since the punishment for this violation was merely the withholding of funds. So, actually, Alberta is not a very good example of the principles of the Canada Health Act, but is instead an example of a different system that violates the principles of the Canada Health Act. Check you facts.

  10. Julie
    Julie August 9, 2009 at 8:06 am |

    Yeah, but the thing that got me about the article Dr. Confused was that in a lot of the really hard cases- the fetuses with severe abnormalities- these women may very well think of themselves as mothers. I know I did- my labor was induced 2 and 1/2 months early because my son had multiple fatal abnormalities. Even though I ended my pregnancy early, I still considered him my son and myself a mother. I know a lot of women who felt the same way, they ended pregnancies with fetuses who couldn’t survive, but they still consider them their children. I even know quite a few of us who were able to hold our babies. I understand why Dr. Hern was fighting against that mindset, but I found myself frustrated by that whole back and forth between the two of them, because I thought the author was just trying to be an ass and Dr. Hern wasn’t acknowledging the full range of feelings women could go through. That being said, I think Dr. Hern is a hero, so I’m not willing to get that hung up on it.

  11. Kathleen
    Kathleen August 9, 2009 at 11:20 am |

    I agree with Jill — we’ve reached a point in the discourse about abortion in the United States where it is treated as this freakish thing that cannot even be named, when it is the *most* common outpatient surgical procedure performed. 40% of American women will have one in their lifetimes. But somehow, everyone discusses it as a moral abstraction, and feels faint about calling it by name. In the 1970s and into the 1980s, an abortion could be a mentionable plot twist in a sitcom or movie. Now? Heaven forfend — the drama revolves instead around a miscarriage or “false alarm” (even an otherwise smart progressive show like 30 Rock dodged that bullet). And it *is* a bullet, as friends & family of George Tiller can tell us. Warren Hern performs abortions and gets lots of tributes of secret gratitude from women and men alike, and public excoriation as some kind of strange monster. How thankless a life, and what an unusually brave person.

  12. SunlessNick
    SunlessNick August 9, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

    Also, other kinds of doctor are referred to by their specialties: oncologist, neurologist, surgeon, pediatrician; I don’t see abortionist any differently. I know none of those other specialities have people calling for their deaths, but I don’t want to cede the word to those people.

  13. SunlessNick
    SunlessNick August 9, 2009 at 1:23 pm |

    Sorry… should we really cede the word to those people?

  14. ema
    ema August 16, 2009 at 10:19 am |

    As one who hangs out with deliveryists, hysterectomyists, bladder suspensionists, total abdominal hysterectomy-bilateral oophorectomyists, and a few appendectomyists and root canalists I think it needs to be pointed out that “abortionist” does not refer to any medical specialty.

    Just like with “partial-birth” abortion, the problem with “abortionist” isn’t that it’s not a pro-choice-approved word or that it is a loaded term; it’s that it is an inaccurate, propaganda word that has no place in a reality-based discussion. [Despite successful efforts from those who oppose proper medical care for pregnant patients, reality, in particular medical reality, does not depend on the perspective of the audience.]

    And Jill, you did notice that the git who wrote the piece refuses to address Dr. Hern, and *only* Dr. Hern, as “doctor”, yes?

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