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	<title>Comments on: Another Perspective in Nonmonogamy</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/15/another-perspective-in-nonmonogamy/#comment-271120</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for articulating some of the benefits of being a secondary.  I often get hung up on the drawbacks, and it was nice to be reminded that there are some decided advantages, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for articulating some of the benefits of being a secondary.  I often get hung up on the drawbacks, and it was nice to be reminded that there are some decided advantages, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheelzebub</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/15/another-perspective-in-nonmonogamy/#comment-269324</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheelzebub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, just to underscore what D3wt-Hthr said: even in poly relationships there is jealousy.  It&#039;s human, and it&#039;s often a signal.  Can we please not shame people into silence about their feelings and their needs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, just to underscore what D3wt-Hthr said: even in poly relationships there is jealousy.  It&#8217;s human, and it&#8217;s often a signal.  Can we please not shame people into silence about their feelings and their needs?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheelzebub</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/15/another-perspective-in-nonmonogamy/#comment-269323</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheelzebub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dispensing with the notion that a partner’s interactions with others are axiomatically a threat to one’s relationshtp, sure. Getting rid of the emotional signals for “The resources this relationship needs are going somewhere else”? Terrible idea.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seconded.

I also want to say, Roy, that some of your language is similar in tone to the anti-poly and anti-BDSM comments I&#039;ve seen--there&#039;s more than a fair bit of shaming in your comment.  People who want to be in a monogamous relationship don&#039;t necessarily think they own their partners or that their partners own them. It also doesn&#039;t mean that they aren&#039;t &quot;free.&quot; You can be in a relationship where you&#039;re free to be with other people but still not free at all--if, for example, a partner is emotionally abusive or manipulative.   People are going to feel what they feel, and dismissing them and deriding them for being human isn&#039;t helpful at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dispensing with the notion that a partner’s interactions with others are axiomatically a threat to one’s relationshtp, sure. Getting rid of the emotional signals for “The resources this relationship needs are going somewhere else”? Terrible idea.</p></blockquote>
<p>Seconded.</p>
<p>I also want to say, Roy, that some of your language is similar in tone to the anti-poly and anti-BDSM comments I&#8217;ve seen&#8211;there&#8217;s more than a fair bit of shaming in your comment.  People who want to be in a monogamous relationship don&#8217;t necessarily think they own their partners or that their partners own them. It also doesn&#8217;t mean that they aren&#8217;t &#8220;free.&#8221; You can be in a relationship where you&#8217;re free to be with other people but still not free at all&#8211;if, for example, a partner is emotionally abusive or manipulative.   People are going to feel what they feel, and dismissing them and deriding them for being human isn&#8217;t helpful at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dw3t-Hthr</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/15/another-perspective-in-nonmonogamy/#comment-269206</link>
		<dc:creator>Dw3t-Hthr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same thing it means in a monogamous relationship: bound to keeping one&#039;s agreements and pledges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing it means in a monogamous relationship: bound to keeping one&#8217;s agreements and pledges.</p>
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		<title>By: reine</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/15/another-perspective-in-nonmonogamy/#comment-269195</link>
		<dc:creator>reine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m very confused as to what being committed really means in poly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m very confused as to what being committed really means in poly?</p>
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		<title>By: Dw3t-Hthr</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/15/another-perspective-in-nonmonogamy/#comment-269141</link>
		<dc:creator>Dw3t-Hthr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think dispensing with jealousy is about as sane and healthy as dispensing with pain: they exist for the same reason (to alert people to threats/damage).

Dispensing with the notion that a partner&#039;s interactions with others are axiomatically a threat to one&#039;s relationshtp, sure.  Getting rid of the emotional signals for &quot;The resources this relationship needs are going somewhere else&quot;?  Terrible idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think dispensing with jealousy is about as sane and healthy as dispensing with pain: they exist for the same reason (to alert people to threats/damage).</p>
<p>Dispensing with the notion that a partner&#8217;s interactions with others are axiomatically a threat to one&#8217;s relationshtp, sure.  Getting rid of the emotional signals for &#8220;The resources this relationship needs are going somewhere else&#8221;?  Terrible idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/15/another-perspective-in-nonmonogamy/#comment-269085</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came to Poly from shear revulsion at the idea that I would own someone and they would own me. I mean if we love one another, why would we want to cut each other off from the graces and charms of other people? That strikes me as getting way to close to the view &quot;It is not enough that I am rich; everyone else must be poor.&quot;

Once that is internalized, it&#039;s easy to see how jealousy is &quot;carefully taught&quot; by the culture; but really no more natural that going into fits over which &quot;race&quot; you are sharing a drinking fountain with. Almost the whole of &quot;romance&quot; literature is predicated on a wholly unnecessary conflict for affections.

Once you value your partners freedom, and dispense with jealousy, the rest is pretty easy. You no longer see the outside world as representing a danger to your relationship. Of course, that doesn&#039;t mean you don&#039;t rate some sort of priority in the relationship - and it is well to reflect on how much are willing to give to one person in getting motivated to do that for others. That is one of the ways Poly keeps your perspectives fresh and reminds you of how valuable your other relationships, especially primary ones, are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to Poly from shear revulsion at the idea that I would own someone and they would own me. I mean if we love one another, why would we want to cut each other off from the graces and charms of other people? That strikes me as getting way to close to the view &#8220;It is not enough that I am rich; everyone else must be poor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Once that is internalized, it&#8217;s easy to see how jealousy is &#8220;carefully taught&#8221; by the culture; but really no more natural that going into fits over which &#8220;race&#8221; you are sharing a drinking fountain with. Almost the whole of &#8220;romance&#8221; literature is predicated on a wholly unnecessary conflict for affections.</p>
<p>Once you value your partners freedom, and dispense with jealousy, the rest is pretty easy. You no longer see the outside world as representing a danger to your relationship. Of course, that doesn&#8217;t mean you don&#8217;t rate some sort of priority in the relationship &#8211; and it is well to reflect on how much are willing to give to one person in getting motivated to do that for others. That is one of the ways Poly keeps your perspectives fresh and reminds you of how valuable your other relationships, especially primary ones, are.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor Sauvage</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/15/another-perspective-in-nonmonogamy/#comment-269071</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleanor Sauvage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isabel: why thank you, kind lady ;-) Good luck with future relationships: I think you&#039;re right, a bit of space for exploring things otherwise is useful for thinking about how you really *want* a relationship to be!

Somegirl:Ah, I&#039;m sure that must have been a little odd. I&#039;m pretty lucky in that my sweetie&#039;s primary relationship has been opened out for ten years now. He&#039;s a little bit practiced, y&#039;know? ;-)

Coco Bucungo, I agree with Frau Sally Benz, and Dw3t-Hthr, and I&#039;m a bit surprised you could think otherwise after my post. If I hadn&#039;t been drawn to my sweetie, right now I wouldn&#039;t be in a poly relationship, probably. Now that I am a secondary, and have had the time and space to think it all through, I really like the whole poly thing, and it suits my temperament, I think. But I don&#039;t go out thinking &#039;now, must find a primary.&#039; I meet people, we get chatting, if I&#039;m drawn to them, I&#039;m drawn to them. Sure, I&#039;ve had issues where I&#039;ve explained I&#039;m seeing one person, and totally up for getting entangled with someone else, and had people place me firmly in the box of &#039;friends but no more&#039;. Which is obviously their call. In fact, in many ways, there&#039;s more freedom to pursue possible love interests. And  being deliriously happily in love with two or three or four or more people... well, that seems like a pretty good deal to me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isabel: why thank you, kind lady ;-) Good luck with future relationships: I think you&#8217;re right, a bit of space for exploring things otherwise is useful for thinking about how you really *want* a relationship to be!</p>
<p>Somegirl:Ah, I&#8217;m sure that must have been a little odd. I&#8217;m pretty lucky in that my sweetie&#8217;s primary relationship has been opened out for ten years now. He&#8217;s a little bit practiced, y&#8217;know? ;-)</p>
<p>Coco Bucungo, I agree with Frau Sally Benz, and Dw3t-Hthr, and I&#8217;m a bit surprised you could think otherwise after my post. If I hadn&#8217;t been drawn to my sweetie, right now I wouldn&#8217;t be in a poly relationship, probably. Now that I am a secondary, and have had the time and space to think it all through, I really like the whole poly thing, and it suits my temperament, I think. But I don&#8217;t go out thinking &#8216;now, must find a primary.&#8217; I meet people, we get chatting, if I&#8217;m drawn to them, I&#8217;m drawn to them. Sure, I&#8217;ve had issues where I&#8217;ve explained I&#8217;m seeing one person, and totally up for getting entangled with someone else, and had people place me firmly in the box of &#8216;friends but no more&#8217;. Which is obviously their call. In fact, in many ways, there&#8217;s more freedom to pursue possible love interests. And  being deliriously happily in love with two or three or four or more people&#8230; well, that seems like a pretty good deal to me!</p>
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		<title>By: Dw3t-Hthr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dw3t-Hthr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Frau Sally Benz, I&#039;m not sure the things are separable.  I also don&#039;t think that they&#039;re separable in monogamous relationships either - it&#039;s not like it&#039;s uncommon for people to consider things like whether or not they want children, shared religion, favored activities, or similar as criteria for selecting a long-term partner, and someone who is otherwise shiny but differs on these matters will probably not make the cut.  (Some people may cause a reevaluation of those things, but how often that happens I don&#039;t know.)  And some people don&#039;t have those as major things - as I mentioned in one of these threads, one of my husbands doesn&#039;t really &lt;i&gt;care&lt;/i&gt; about the monogamy/polyamory thing, can do either.

I once saw a childfree woman say, &quot;And people keep saying to me, &#039;What if you meet Mr. Right and he wants children?&#039;  I respond, &#039;If he wants children, he&#039;s not Mr. Right.&#039;&quot;  It&#039;s a lot like that, for me.

I once ran into a guy who told me that I would be the perfect woman if I were monogamous, something like thirty pounds heavier, and ... hrr, something else I&#039;ve forgotten.  And, y&#039;know, good luck to him with that.  &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/i&gt; not those things, though, and it would take a hell of a situation to make me feel it was worth seeing if I could be someone else.

I meet people sometimes.  If they&#039;re shiny, I ask them if they want to pursue some sort of romantic relationship with me.  I don&#039;t agree to things I don&#039;t understand (like monogamy).  Those are my rules and regulations.  I don&#039;t see a comparison there to the &quot;I&#039;m looking for someone to fill the husband slot&quot;, really.  I don&#039;t even know how to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Frau Sally Benz, I&#8217;m not sure the things are separable.  I also don&#8217;t think that they&#8217;re separable in monogamous relationships either &#8211; it&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s uncommon for people to consider things like whether or not they want children, shared religion, favored activities, or similar as criteria for selecting a long-term partner, and someone who is otherwise shiny but differs on these matters will probably not make the cut.  (Some people may cause a reevaluation of those things, but how often that happens I don&#8217;t know.)  And some people don&#8217;t have those as major things &#8211; as I mentioned in one of these threads, one of my husbands doesn&#8217;t really <i>care</i> about the monogamy/polyamory thing, can do either.</p>
<p>I once saw a childfree woman say, &#8220;And people keep saying to me, &#8216;What if you meet Mr. Right and he wants children?&#8217;  I respond, &#8216;If he wants children, he&#8217;s not Mr. Right.&#8217;&#8221;  It&#8217;s a lot like that, for me.</p>
<p>I once ran into a guy who told me that I would be the perfect woman if I were monogamous, something like thirty pounds heavier, and &#8230; hrr, something else I&#8217;ve forgotten.  And, y&#8217;know, good luck to him with that.  <i>I&#8217;m</i> not those things, though, and it would take a hell of a situation to make me feel it was worth seeing if I could be someone else.</p>
<p>I meet people sometimes.  If they&#8217;re shiny, I ask them if they want to pursue some sort of romantic relationship with me.  I don&#8217;t agree to things I don&#8217;t understand (like monogamy).  Those are my rules and regulations.  I don&#8217;t see a comparison there to the &#8220;I&#8217;m looking for someone to fill the husband slot&#8221;, really.  I don&#8217;t even know how to date.</p>
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		<title>By: Frau Sally Benz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frau Sally Benz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>coco bucugno, I would say the short answer to your question - do we go for the person or relationship - is we do both. The person and the relationship style are not mutually exclusive.

As Eleanor described in her post, she didn&#039;t really go seeking out a nonmonogamous relationship. For me too, when I met my guy, I wanted to be with him regardless of our relationship style. Now that we&#039;re in this style, we&#039;re realizing the great benefits of it and applying them. 

I know people whose preference is meeting somebody who is nonmonogamous as well, but if they meet somebody they&#039;re compatible with who isn&#039;t nonmonogamous, they try that out as well.

In my opinion, it&#039;s about more options, not about limitations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>coco bucugno, I would say the short answer to your question &#8211; do we go for the person or relationship &#8211; is we do both. The person and the relationship style are not mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>As Eleanor described in her post, she didn&#8217;t really go seeking out a nonmonogamous relationship. For me too, when I met my guy, I wanted to be with him regardless of our relationship style. Now that we&#8217;re in this style, we&#8217;re realizing the great benefits of it and applying them. </p>
<p>I know people whose preference is meeting somebody who is nonmonogamous as well, but if they meet somebody they&#8217;re compatible with who isn&#8217;t nonmonogamous, they try that out as well.</p>
<p>In my opinion, it&#8217;s about more options, not about limitations.</p>
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