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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;I&#8217;m Sorry, But We&#8217;ll Need to See Your Genitals&#8221;</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: kloncke</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/18/im-sorry-but-well-need-to-see-your-genitals/#comment-269443</link>
		<dc:creator>kloncke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now the same treatment for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/20/caster-semenya-sex-row-athletics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Caster Semenya&lt;/a&gt;...Gynecology, endocrinology, psychology, &quot;transgender issues&quot; expertise -- all prongs of the official &quot;investigation&quot; into her legitimacy as a world-champion runner. 

Btw, interesting how the Guardian headline quotes her father defending her legitimacy with the phrase, &quot;She&#039;s my little girl.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now the same treatment for <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/20/caster-semenya-sex-row-athletics" rel="nofollow">Caster Semenya</a>&#8230;Gynecology, endocrinology, psychology, &#8220;transgender issues&#8221; expertise &#8212; all prongs of the official &#8220;investigation&#8221; into her legitimacy as a world-champion runner. </p>
<p>Btw, interesting how the Guardian headline quotes her father defending her legitimacy with the phrase, &#8220;She&#8217;s my little girl.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: A.W.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/18/im-sorry-but-well-need-to-see-your-genitals/#comment-269361</link>
		<dc:creator>A.W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>laprofe63 says:

&quot;Wow. A new low for Manpower and global corporate forces.&quot;

Well no, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a new low. Sounds like the same old low, really, just with a spin depending on which minority they&#039;re shitting on. It&#039;s just that this one got in the news, and I hope Manpower dies a horrible, horrible death in court. About fucking time, really. I know that when I went to fill out the paperwork there, the guy told me, quite bluntly with a witness in the room, that he wouldn&#039;t use my application, that I&#039;d be a &#039;liability&#039;.  To be clear, I&#039;ve low vision, but I&#039;m also a trained diesel mechanic. Manpower sucks. So does Sapa, which I hadn&#039;t heard of before. I don&#039;t believe being trans is a disability, however, and the problems would&#039;ve been much better situated under sexual harassment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>laprofe63 says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Wow. A new low for Manpower and global corporate forces.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well no, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a new low. Sounds like the same old low, really, just with a spin depending on which minority they&#8217;re shitting on. It&#8217;s just that this one got in the news, and I hope Manpower dies a horrible, horrible death in court. About fucking time, really. I know that when I went to fill out the paperwork there, the guy told me, quite bluntly with a witness in the room, that he wouldn&#8217;t use my application, that I&#8217;d be a &#8216;liability&#8217;.  To be clear, I&#8217;ve low vision, but I&#8217;m also a trained diesel mechanic. Manpower sucks. So does Sapa, which I hadn&#8217;t heard of before. I don&#8217;t believe being trans is a disability, however, and the problems would&#8217;ve been much better situated under sexual harassment.</p>
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		<title>By: New TSA Requirements Pose Risk to Trans Travelers : The Curvature</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/08/18/im-sorry-but-well-need-to-see-your-genitals/#comment-269122</link>
		<dc:creator>New TSA Requirements Pose Risk to Trans Travelers : The Curvature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] passengers in advance, to individual employees. And in a world where employers feel comfortable demanding photographs of trans people&#8217;s genitals as a condition of employment, and where trans identity is routinely and openly mocked and delegitimized on mainstream [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] passengers in advance, to individual employees. And in a world where employers feel comfortable demanding photographs of trans people&#8217;s genitals as a condition of employment, and where trans identity is routinely and openly mocked and delegitimized on mainstream [...]</p>
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		<title>By: laprofe63</title>
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		<dc:creator>laprofe63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. A new low for Manpower and global corporate forces. 

I agree w/Sailorman, Thomas and DaisyDeadhead. This has to be seen in the context of gender/sexuality functioning within the context (rules/priorities) of property/capital. 

I hope they find she was wrongfully terminated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. A new low for Manpower and global corporate forces. </p>
<p>I agree w/Sailorman, Thomas and DaisyDeadhead. This has to be seen in the context of gender/sexuality functioning within the context (rules/priorities) of property/capital. </p>
<p>I hope they find she was wrongfully terminated.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Notkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Notkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@3, Daisy. Sorry about that. Body Impolitic gets a lot of comments, but not compared to Feministe with several guest bloggers blogging at once, and we just didnt&#039; realize how far back we had to look. Thanks for checking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@3, Daisy. Sorry about that. Body Impolitic gets a lot of comments, but not compared to Feministe with several guest bloggers blogging at once, and we just didnt&#8217; realize how far back we had to look. Thanks for checking!</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Notkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie Notkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@15, Rosemary, and @19, Preying Mantis: Sadly, lots of people, most (but not all) men, already send around pictures of their genitals, mostly but not always to people they hope to date. So I don&#039;t think this rather charming idea would work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@15, Rosemary, and @19, Preying Mantis: Sadly, lots of people, most (but not all) men, already send around pictures of their genitals, mostly but not always to people they hope to date. So I don&#8217;t think this rather charming idea would work.</p>
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		<title>By: preying mantis</title>
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		<dc:creator>preying mantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Secondly, could a grassroots protest to this take the form of many people voluntarily sending photographs of their genitals?&quot;

Even if people were willing to do that, I don&#039;t think harassing office assistants, secretaries, and/or mailroom clerks with amateur photographs of strangers&#039; genitalia would really help anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Secondly, could a grassroots protest to this take the form of many people voluntarily sending photographs of their genitals?&#8221;</p>
<p>Even if people were willing to do that, I don&#8217;t think harassing office assistants, secretaries, and/or mailroom clerks with amateur photographs of strangers&#8217; genitalia would really help anything.</p>
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		<title>By: julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...This is the most fucked up thing I have ever heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;This is the most fucked up thing I have ever heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sailorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Alara Rogers says:
August 18th, 2009 at 12:10 pm - Edit

The only possible excuse for demanding to see her genitals — and it’s a bad excuse, for reasons I’m about to rant about — is that they believe the bullshit argument that men commit rape because men have penises, and if they didn’t have penises they wouldn’t rape, so letting a person with a penis into a women’s room is letting in a potential rapist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, in &lt;i&gt;theory&lt;/i&gt; one&#039;s genitals could be an issue, if members of a certain sex did not want to be in a changing room with members whose &lt;i&gt;openly-displayed&lt;/i&gt; genitals indicated they were of opposite sex.  I think that&#039;s actually fairly common for a variety of reasons which include but are no means limited to the rape issue.

But I assume that didn&#039;t actually happen: if it DID, they would already know, and wouldn&#039;t need to see her genitals.  So if she&#039;s &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; been working there and it hasn&#039;t been an issue, why is it becoming an issue now?

(Actually, that last part is what makes me the most curious.  What caused the change?  Did they just find out?  Did something happen between the employee and a supervisor, or with another employee?  Why break an apparently-good status quo?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Alara Rogers says:<br />
August 18th, 2009 at 12:10 pm &#8211; Edit</p>
<p>The only possible excuse for demanding to see her genitals — and it’s a bad excuse, for reasons I’m about to rant about — is that they believe the bullshit argument that men commit rape because men have penises, and if they didn’t have penises they wouldn’t rape, so letting a person with a penis into a women’s room is letting in a potential rapist.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, in <i>theory</i> one&#8217;s genitals could be an issue, if members of a certain sex did not want to be in a changing room with members whose <i>openly-displayed</i> genitals indicated they were of opposite sex.  I think that&#8217;s actually fairly common for a variety of reasons which include but are no means limited to the rape issue.</p>
<p>But I assume that didn&#8217;t actually happen: if it DID, they would already know, and wouldn&#8217;t need to see her genitals.  So if she&#8217;s <i>already</i> been working there and it hasn&#8217;t been an issue, why is it becoming an issue now?</p>
<p>(Actually, that last part is what makes me the most curious.  What caused the change?  Did they just find out?  Did something happen between the employee and a supervisor, or with another employee?  Why break an apparently-good status quo?)</p>
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		<title>By: Marle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s just gross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s just gross.</p>
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