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  1. Nicole
    Nicole September 3, 2009 at 12:21 pm |

    Racist and transphobic, sounds like he is a real role model for the GLBT community.

  2. murphy
    murphy September 3, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

    Your message is right on overall, but I’m pretty sure Dan Savage only made that comment once, the day after Prop 8 passed, and has been slowly backing away from it (without apologizing, natch) ever since. Is there an updated link I don’t know about?

  3. Mighty Ponygirl
    Mighty Ponygirl September 3, 2009 at 1:15 pm |

    I don’t believe Savage ever apologized for race baiting (that I’m aware of), but even within a week of the election he had shifted the blame for Prop 8′s passing onto the Mormon church, and “Obama voters who also voted for Prop 8″ including the folks who decided that the chickens and calves needed more spacious cages (indicating upper-class white liberals) but that 18,000 married gay couples in California needed to be forcibly divorced. I re-listened to the opening rant of his first podcast after the election and he didn’t mention race as a factor once.

    I have ZERO problem holding his feet to the fire to get a formal apology if he hasn’t issued one yet, but I think that it’s important to note that he didn’t say that yesterday, and that he did back off from that position to focus the blame on where it belonged.

  4. chava
    chava September 3, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

    I’ve never heard or read Dan Savage apologize for ANYTHING, actually, he seems to have an objection to the concept.

  5. rachel
    rachel September 3, 2009 at 2:21 pm |

    I think it’s pretty safe to say that anti-gay whites did more damage during the Prop 8 fight than anti-gay blacks….by far….

    This Savage guy, I’ve heard of him around but not paid him any attention. looks like he doesn’t really deserve it, so that’s a good thing…

  6. Sarah TX
    Sarah TX September 3, 2009 at 3:01 pm |

    but I think that it’s important to note that he didn’t say that yesterday

    I think this is getting press because Savage is getting a TV show. Renee over at Womanist Musings posted his comment to bring up the fact that Savage does not represent the whole of GLBT culture – he only represents White GLTB. Sort of like Human Rights Campaign, actually…

  7. Renee
    Renee September 3, 2009 at 3:03 pm |

    Backing away from a statement is not the same as apologizing for what he said. The fact that he can continue on and even be rewarded with his own HBO special in the aftermath is a reflection of his privilege.

  8. bellareve
    bellareve September 3, 2009 at 3:32 pm |

    Thanks for this. My respect for Dan has been wearing thin for a while. Racist, and transphobic (I think he had a recent column saying that trans people have an obligation to disclose their medical history to potential sex partners) along with fatphobic (people who gain weight in relationships should consent to non-monogamy or else accept being deserted), biphobic (bi guys apparently don’t exist), ableist (see his use of the word “retard” from a while back) and misogynist (his typical “vaginas are gross to gay guys”).

    It actually enrages me that so many feminists either buy his bullshit wholesale, OR selectively dismiss certain comments because he “apologized” or “didn’t mean it that way” or “was being snarky, not serious.” Either way, lgbt and kinky folks deserve a better sex-positive columnist.

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  10. AnonymousCoward
    AnonymousCoward September 3, 2009 at 7:22 pm |

    Yes, Savage should absolutely apologize for this, along with other equally offensive comments. However, if he’s not still making this argument, he *has* given up “pimping the meme”; he just hasn’t remedied his past arguments in its favor.

    As happy as I am to see a relatively kink-positive voice getting a televised forum to be kink-positive, it’d be nice if that voice weren’t someone with so many downsides.

  11. chocolatepie
    chocolatepie September 3, 2009 at 8:09 pm |

    I have a lot of problems with Dan Savage that have been expressed very eloquently by bellareve, so I won’t repeat them. Gay white males still have white male privilege, and when your privilege is showing, you should be called out on it, regardless of how oppressed you are in some other area.

  12. factcheckme
    factcheckme September 3, 2009 at 10:48 pm |

    “Gay white males still have white male privilege, and when your privilege is showing, you should be called out on it, regardless of how oppressed you are in some other area.”

    very much agreed. i would call readers’ attention to the recent “liberal” bloggers (read: young white males) smear campaign against glen beck, who admittedly is no friend to gays, blacks, women or anyone else either. but the “liberal” white males decided that this would be funny: starting a rumor that beck “raped and murdered a young girl in 1990″ and leaving beck and his followers to prove that the rumor *wasnt* true. what a delightfully misogynist mental exercise! ugh. i have made it my business to start calling this stuff out as i see it. the link is to the article i wrote on that issue, including links to the sexist “liberal” glen beck rumormongering. thanks for the article.

    http://factcheckme.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/liberal-bloggers-laugh-at-rape/

  13. Tracey
    Tracey September 3, 2009 at 11:02 pm |

    I have officially placed Savage in the same column as Perez Hilton, James Kirchick, and Andrew Sullivan.

  14. Sahara
    Sahara September 4, 2009 at 12:35 am |

    Fabulous post, Monica.

    Savage’s more recent strategy of divide and conquer:

    http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/07/16/gay-white-people-arent-allowed-to-be-upset-with-barack-obama

  15. Sahara
    Sahara September 4, 2009 at 2:10 am |

    Oops just saw Renee’s post – holy moly some of the comments!

  16. Jesurgislac
    Jesurgislac September 4, 2009 at 3:22 am |

    murphy: Your message is right on overall, but I’m pretty sure Dan Savage only made that comment once, the day after Prop 8 passed, and has been slowly backing away from it (without apologizing, natch) ever since. Is there an updated link I don’t know about?

    Yeah. Dan Savage repeated his comments in March about how black voters in California were responsible for the passing of Prop 8 and that he wanted (a white guy who’d made racist comments, you understand, a real expert) to talk about the “homophobia in the black community”. It wasn’t in Savage Love but in Slog, so you may have missed it, but it was ugly. He has in no way “backed away from” his racist comments. I’m not surprised he’s got a TV show: sell-outs usually find it easier.

  17. Axiomatic
    Axiomatic September 4, 2009 at 7:06 am |

    Factcheckme, could you please explain how that’s mysogynistic?

  18. factcheckme
    factcheckme September 4, 2009 at 8:45 am |

    “Factcheckme, could you please explain how that’s mysogynistic?”

    sure. because privileged, white men are laughing at images of women being raped and murdered, and michelle obama being lynched. thats not funny. to even be able to view rape, murder and lynching from a position of distance and non-emotion demonstrates male privilege, and white privilege. they are making political satire out of things that only affect women and minorities. it has never, and will never affect them, except as the perpetrators of such atrocities. all those things make what these lefty liberal male bloggers are doing both racist and sexist. in other words “their privilege is showing.”

  19. William
    William September 4, 2009 at 9:39 am |

    he only represents White GLTB. Sort of like Human Rights Campaign, actually…

    HRC really only supports their own continued existence at this point. Late to the marriage movement, millions down the drain on an expensive new office complex, and pretty much blind to POCs, and after all these years still unable to pass even basic legislation with the kind of cash they’ve had coming in. Fuck ‘em.

  20. Axiomatic
    Axiomatic September 4, 2009 at 10:17 am |

    factcheckme: I believe you are entirely and wholly mistaken. Specifically, you are mistaken about what the funny part of the joke is. The idea of someone, be that person Glenn Beck or no, raping and murdering a woman is not funny. It’s also not what the joke is about.

    The joke is the creation of a fabricated rumor with no evidence to back it up, and then demanding that the target of the smear disprove the rumor. This is Beck’s favorite tactic, and it is now being used against him as a demonstration of how fallacious such reasoning is. The reason they chose “raped and murdered a woman” as the thing Beck is accused of is because it is hoped that everyone can agree that raping and murdering women is a bad thing.

    It’s often quite hard to find things you and any random person from the opposite side of the political spectrum both agree are bad, so naturally you go for the most extreme thing you can think of, in the hopes that SURELY even the other side MUST AGREE that this, at least, is definitely bad.

    I can’t comment on the Michelle being lynched thing, since I don’t know what it’s about, but I suspect the reasoning behind it is similar. “surely we all agree that lynching people (whether they are Michelle Obama or any other person, for that matter!) is bad, therefore any line of reasoning which ends with you lynching Michelle Obama must be pretty horrible reasoning.”

    Let’s not get into the whole “Only woman can be raped!” thing. There is too great a danger of derailing the discussion, and I can see how “but what about the mennnnnn, they can be raped too!” could get annoying to listen to after a while. Still, for my own conscience’s satisfaction, here is my token protest to your statement that only women can ever be affected by rape.

  21. chava
    chava September 4, 2009 at 11:08 am |

    Jokes about rape aren’t funny. I don’t really care about where “the funny part of the joke is,” or how distasteful the man being affected by the prank is. You’re still using women’s bodies to make a political point.

  22. eastsidekate
    eastsidekate September 4, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

    Re: Glenn Beck– it’s always refreshing to see a thread about a white guy’s racial privilege turn into a discussion over how a different white guy is a victim of something else. Just sayin’

    Other than that, I can’t add much that Monica and other posters haven’t already said. I do love the point that most Mormons are white, though. I’m sure most readers recognize the absurdity of blaming LGBT white folks for the actions of conservative white Christians. That said, it is telling that there are a lot of people out there that don’t seem to understand that there are multiple people of color who, shockingly, don’t all believe in exactly the same thing. I suppose that learning about other cultures and races is a lot more difficult than confusing all POC for Donnie McLurkin. Treating people like individuals is taxing, no?

  23. Cedar
    Cedar September 4, 2009 at 3:33 pm |

    Re: Glenn Beck– it’s always refreshing to see a thread about a white guy’s racial privilege turn into a discussion over how a different white guy is a victim of something else. Just sayin’

    ZING. I was wondering how that had anything to do with anything–now I know.

    Factcheckme, maybe you ought to fact check your [White] Women Have it Worse Than Black Men!! post.

    If we were as powerful a voting bloc as you claim, Gray Davis would have survived his 2003 recall vote, Tom Bradley would have been elected governor of California in 1982 and Ronald Reagan would have never set foot in the governor’s mansion in Sacramento.

    Oooohhh, please? Can we live in that world instead?

  24. Tina
    Tina September 5, 2009 at 11:06 am |

    I’m confused. I can see why it’s bad to pretend that black voters are an undifferentiated mass of homophobia when many are nonhomophobic, gay, or both, but wasn’t what he said true?

    I mean I just can’t think of an instance when a majority of gay voters acted to strip basic civil rights from blacks? Can you?

    The only part of this statement that bothers me is that it pretends black voters are homophobic because they’re black and not because of the higher prevalence of Christianity and lower formal education.

  25. Rosasharn
    Rosasharn September 5, 2009 at 5:28 pm |

    “along with fatphobic (people who gain weight in relationships should consent to non-monogamy or else accept being deserted)”

    That’s an interesting twist of his argument, which is actually that if somone’s appearance drastically changes in a relationship, their partner will probably no longer be attracted to them. It’s not fatphobic to say that if someone goes from a size 6 to a size 16, especially while their partner maintains whatever their initial weight is, their partner might cheat on them or “desert” them by finding someone they’re attracted to anymore than it’s transphobic to say that transitioning might cause your partner to leave you.

    misogynist (his typical “vaginas are gross to gay guys”)

    I think vulvas and penises are gross. Does that make me misogynist and misandrist?

  26. Delux
    Delux September 7, 2009 at 8:46 pm |

    “and not because of the higher prevalence of Christianity and lower formal education.”

    I’m convinced one of the reasons that discussions of Black folks’ allegedly more severe (than who?) homophobia are so popular among (white) progressives is that they allow people to engage in racialized and stereotype-based pronouncements and speculation that would be considered deeply inappropriate in any other topics.

    Its almost like there arent any other religious people of any other colors who might have been manipulated by the well placed media campaign put forward by the prop 8 campaign.

  27. Katie
    Katie September 7, 2009 at 9:37 pm |

    Tina, your comment is really racist. Also, ill-informed. Read the links.

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