I’m convinced one of the reasons that discussions of Black folks’ allegedly more severe (than who?) homophobia are so popular among (white) progressives is that they allow people to engage in racialized and stereotype-based pronouncements and speculation that would be considered deeply inappropriate in any other topics.

Its almost like there arent any other religious people of any other colors who might have been manipulated by the well placed media campaign put forward by the prop 8 campaign.

That’s an interesting twist of his argument, which is actually that if somone’s appearance drastically changes in a relationship, their partner will probably no longer be attracted to them. It’s not fatphobic to say that if someone goes from a size 6 to a size 16, especially while their partner maintains whatever their initial weight is, their partner might cheat on them or “desert” them by finding someone they’re attracted to anymore than it’s transphobic to say that transitioning might cause your partner to leave you.

misogynist (his typical “vaginas are gross to gay guys”)

I think vulvas and penises are gross. Does that make me misogynist and misandrist?

I mean I just can’t think of an instance when a majority of gay voters acted to strip basic civil rights from blacks? Can you?

The only part of this statement that bothers me is that it pretends black voters are homophobic because they’re black and not because of the higher prevalence of Christianity and lower formal education.

ZING. I was wondering how that had anything to do with anything–now I know.

Factcheckme, maybe you ought to fact check your [White] Women Have it Worse Than Black Men!! post.

If we were as powerful a voting bloc as you claim, Gray Davis would have survived his 2003 recall vote, Tom Bradley would have been elected governor of California in 1982 and Ronald Reagan would have never set foot in the governor’s mansion in Sacramento.

Oooohhh, please? Can we live in that world instead?

Other than that, I can’t add much that Monica and other posters haven’t already said. I do love the point that most Mormons are white, though. I’m sure most readers recognize the absurdity of blaming LGBT white folks for the actions of conservative white Christians. That said, it is telling that there are a lot of people out there that don’t seem to understand that there are multiple people of color who, shockingly, don’t all believe in exactly the same thing. I suppose that learning about other cultures and races is a lot more difficult than confusing all POC for Donnie McLurkin. Treating people like individuals is taxing, no?

The joke is the creation of a fabricated rumor with no evidence to back it up, and then demanding that the target of the smear disprove the rumor. This is Beck’s favorite tactic, and it is now being used against him as a demonstration of how fallacious such reasoning is. The reason they chose “raped and murdered a woman” as the thing Beck is accused of is because it is hoped that everyone can agree that raping and murdering women is a bad thing.

It’s often quite hard to find things you and any random person from the opposite side of the political spectrum both agree are bad, so naturally you go for the most extreme thing you can think of, in the hopes that SURELY even the other side MUST AGREE that this, at least, is definitely bad.

I can’t comment on the Michelle being lynched thing, since I don’t know what it’s about, but I suspect the reasoning behind it is similar. “surely we all agree that lynching people (whether they are Michelle Obama or any other person, for that matter!) is bad, therefore any line of reasoning which ends with you lynching Michelle Obama must be pretty horrible reasoning.”

Let’s not get into the whole “Only woman can be raped!” thing. There is too great a danger of derailing the discussion, and I can see how “but what about the mennnnnn, they can be raped too!” could get annoying to listen to after a while. Still, for my own conscience’s satisfaction, here is my token protest to your statement that only women can ever be affected by rape.

he only represents White GLTB. Sort of like Human Rights Campaign, actually…

HRC really only supports their own continued existence at this point. Late to the marriage movement, millions down the drain on an expensive new office complex, and pretty much blind to POCs, and after all these years still unable to pass even basic legislation with the kind of cash they’ve had coming in. Fuck ‘em.