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		<title>By: A Very Uncommon Cook &#8250; Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested.</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/04/obesity-health-and-the-pro-food-movement/#comment-281620</link>
		<dc:creator>A Very Uncommon Cook &#8250; Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “Obesity,” health, and the pro-food movement, at Feministe. &#8220;There are several reasons why I care so much that the pro-food movement seems to be buying the mainstream line about fat. 1) I don’t think the anti-fat bias here is intentional; it seems just to be an oversight, a skipping of the necessary step of skepticism. Which shouldn’t be that hard: this is a skeptical bunch who jump to debunk, say, Big Ag’s claims that genetically modified foods are good for humanity and Big Food’s use of terms like &#8216;natural.&#8217;&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “Obesity,” health, and the pro-food movement, at Feministe. &#8220;There are several reasons why I care so much that the pro-food movement seems to be buying the mainstream line about fat. 1) I don’t think the anti-fat bias here is intentional; it seems just to be an oversight, a skipping of the necessary step of skepticism. Which shouldn’t be that hard: this is a skeptical bunch who jump to debunk, say, Big Ag’s claims that genetically modified foods are good for humanity and Big Food’s use of terms like &#8216;natural.&#8217;&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the fat nutritionist</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/04/obesity-health-and-the-pro-food-movement/#comment-273790</link>
		<dc:creator>the fat nutritionist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful, thank you. I have been trying for some time now to reconcile the pro-food movement (with which I largely agree) with my own belief in fat acceptance. The anti-obesity rhetoric of pro-food advocates (like Pollan) is annoying and shows a remarkable blind spot in their critical analysis of the food system.

I am also critical of the food system, as it currently exists, but I find it troubling that people often seem to reach for the convenient and easy scapegoat used by just about everyone -- fat people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful, thank you. I have been trying for some time now to reconcile the pro-food movement (with which I largely agree) with my own belief in fat acceptance. The anti-obesity rhetoric of pro-food advocates (like Pollan) is annoying and shows a remarkable blind spot in their critical analysis of the food system.</p>
<p>I am also critical of the food system, as it currently exists, but I find it troubling that people often seem to reach for the convenient and easy scapegoat used by just about everyone &#8212; fat people.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/04/obesity-health-and-the-pro-food-movement/#comment-273357</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this doesn&#039;t say something telling about the state of affairs in the U.S. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/05/business/05smart.html?_r=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this doesn&#8217;t say something telling about the state of affairs in the U.S.<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/05/business/05smart.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/05/business/05smart.html?_r=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Angiportus, Afficionado of Liquid Garnets</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/04/obesity-health-and-the-pro-food-movement/#comment-273347</link>
		<dc:creator>Angiportus, Afficionado of Liquid Garnets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;m fat and have bad knees, that means I&#039;m doomed?  I should just go and shoot myself?  That would really screw up my plans for next week.  Thanks, William, for the strawmanectomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m fat and have bad knees, that means I&#8217;m doomed?  I should just go and shoot myself?  That would really screw up my plans for next week.  Thanks, William, for the strawmanectomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/04/obesity-health-and-the-pro-food-movement/#comment-273342</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this! I have been a vegetarian and now vegan for half my life, and I&#039;ve definitely heard this kind of rhetoric within that community as well. There is this stereotype of the skinny vegan, which is used both hatefully by those opposed to a vegan diet AND proudly by people who practice it. But vegan does not necessarily equal skinny, skinny does not necessarily equal healthy, and vegan does not necessarily equal healthy. There is a lot of conflation going on regarding these ideas.

Now that &quot;pro-food&quot; ideas are getting so much play, I see these themes resurfacing in those circles. People involved with both camps (pro-food and vegan) sometimes fall victim to pseudoscience and unfounded assumptions when they don&#039;t have to. These food philosophies can be backed up with quality science and reason, without having to play on people&#039;s fears about fat, disease, etc. 

I&#039;m very concerned about the centralized, corporate control of the food supply. I&#039;m sure I could live a very healthy life eating nothing but Big Ag products, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s conducive to our ability to live sustainably on our one planet. I&#039;m glad to see this idea get articulated with more and more frequency; once more people are able to make that complex connection, we&#039;ll be able to rely less on base and simplistic appeals to people&#039;s prejudices (fat=bad, etc.) in order to advance our ideas about food politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this! I have been a vegetarian and now vegan for half my life, and I&#8217;ve definitely heard this kind of rhetoric within that community as well. There is this stereotype of the skinny vegan, which is used both hatefully by those opposed to a vegan diet AND proudly by people who practice it. But vegan does not necessarily equal skinny, skinny does not necessarily equal healthy, and vegan does not necessarily equal healthy. There is a lot of conflation going on regarding these ideas.</p>
<p>Now that &#8220;pro-food&#8221; ideas are getting so much play, I see these themes resurfacing in those circles. People involved with both camps (pro-food and vegan) sometimes fall victim to pseudoscience and unfounded assumptions when they don&#8217;t have to. These food philosophies can be backed up with quality science and reason, without having to play on people&#8217;s fears about fat, disease, etc. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very concerned about the centralized, corporate control of the food supply. I&#8217;m sure I could live a very healthy life eating nothing but Big Ag products, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s conducive to our ability to live sustainably on our one planet. I&#8217;m glad to see this idea get articulated with more and more frequency; once more people are able to make that complex connection, we&#8217;ll be able to rely less on base and simplistic appeals to people&#8217;s prejudices (fat=bad, etc.) in order to advance our ideas about food politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Kirkland</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/04/obesity-health-and-the-pro-food-movement/#comment-273319</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Kirkland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Women&#039;s Studies and Political Science professor at Michigan and I have an article coming out in Signs (a feminist journal) making the argument that if we&#039;re not careful the profood/environmental transformation approach to talking about fat (especially when it&#039;s focused on fat people of color) will be captured by its more unsavory moralistic impulses and will become punitive rather than helpful.  I&#039;m not allowed to post it because the journal considers that pre-publication and will revoke the publication, but I&#039;m happy to email copies individually to anyone who&#039;s interested.

akirklan@umich.edu
ask for &quot;The Environmental Approach to Obesity:  A Case for Feminist Skepticism&quot; 

I&#039;m delighted to hear this discussion here because it&#039;s a point that I&#039;ve not heard grappled with much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Women&#8217;s Studies and Political Science professor at Michigan and I have an article coming out in Signs (a feminist journal) making the argument that if we&#8217;re not careful the profood/environmental transformation approach to talking about fat (especially when it&#8217;s focused on fat people of color) will be captured by its more unsavory moralistic impulses and will become punitive rather than helpful.  I&#8217;m not allowed to post it because the journal considers that pre-publication and will revoke the publication, but I&#8217;m happy to email copies individually to anyone who&#8217;s interested.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:akirklan@umich.edu">akirklan@umich.edu</a><br />
ask for &#8220;The Environmental Approach to Obesity:  A Case for Feminist Skepticism&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m delighted to hear this discussion here because it&#8217;s a point that I&#8217;ve not heard grappled with much.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/04/obesity-health-and-the-pro-food-movement/#comment-273315</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, Scar, would be what is called a Straw Man. Notice that Lisa wasn&#039;t talking about people so heavy they need a Rascal to get around, she was talking about the vast majority of &quot;obese&quot; and &quot;overweight&quot; people who are so because they fall to one side of an utterly arbitrary standard and then have their basic physical form defined as both disgusting and unhealthy. By then referencing people who have an actual objective medical problem, you&#039;re obscuring the issue. Opening your post with &quot;I think your weight is fine until...&quot; and then blathering on some objection to a scenario outside of the discussion just implies that what we&#039;re really talking about when we discuss the &quot;obesity epidemic&quot; is people who are being physically damaged by their weight rather than people who don&#039;t fit into Calvin Klein&#039;s newest series.

And thats before we even consider that the people you&#039;re referencing, the people who are &quot;unable to exercise,&quot; 1) likely aren&#039;t unable to exercise and 2) are likely experiencing weight problems which are medical and unrelated to food. In other words, you&#039;re pulling a fictional scenario out of your ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, Scar, would be what is called a Straw Man. Notice that Lisa wasn&#8217;t talking about people so heavy they need a Rascal to get around, she was talking about the vast majority of &#8220;obese&#8221; and &#8220;overweight&#8221; people who are so because they fall to one side of an utterly arbitrary standard and then have their basic physical form defined as both disgusting and unhealthy. By then referencing people who have an actual objective medical problem, you&#8217;re obscuring the issue. Opening your post with &#8220;I think your weight is fine until&#8230;&#8221; and then blathering on some objection to a scenario outside of the discussion just implies that what we&#8217;re really talking about when we discuss the &#8220;obesity epidemic&#8221; is people who are being physically damaged by their weight rather than people who don&#8217;t fit into Calvin Klein&#8217;s newest series.</p>
<p>And thats before we even consider that the people you&#8217;re referencing, the people who are &#8220;unable to exercise,&#8221; 1) likely aren&#8217;t unable to exercise and 2) are likely experiencing weight problems which are medical and unrelated to food. In other words, you&#8217;re pulling a fictional scenario out of your ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad to hear someone fleshing out this issue in more depth. It&#039;s one that we&#039;ve been wrestling with lately at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moreofmetolove.com&quot; title=&quot;More of Me to Love&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More of Me to Love&lt;/a&gt;. We are a health at every size community that is, to use the term above, pro-food; we are very interested in learning and teaching how to eat local, seasonal, organic foods.

One of the most important things we recognize and promote, though, is that you can have any body type - fat, thin, and everything in between - and enjoy the benefits of eating healthy foods, and that scare-mongering about fat being unhealthy is nonsensical and hateful. Thus, our healthful tips and posts are about embracing a pro-food and healthy eating lifestyle at every size.

That said, we&#039;ve encountered some resistance lately from people who have conflated our pro-food emphasis with diet-pushing. We are strictly anti-diet, of course, but these concerns have opened my eyes to another problem of the pro-food attitude, which is largely within the fat community. Health has for so long been brandished as a weapon against fat people (unrightfully so!), and as a result, people have become wary of those emphasizing such an attitude. 

That&#039;s why I loved this article - because it spoke up for the place of pro-food within the fat community and belied the perception that this approach is fat-bashing. The problem began with those who used the pro-food attitude in order to fat-hate, but the consequences, as I&#039;ve seen them recently, have been an extreme wariness on the part of some to accept a HAES-grounded pro-food contingent (that will hopefully become the mainstream).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad to hear someone fleshing out this issue in more depth. It&#8217;s one that we&#8217;ve been wrestling with lately at <a href="http://www.moreofmetolove.com" title="More of Me to Love" rel="nofollow">More of Me to Love</a>. We are a health at every size community that is, to use the term above, pro-food; we are very interested in learning and teaching how to eat local, seasonal, organic foods.</p>
<p>One of the most important things we recognize and promote, though, is that you can have any body type &#8211; fat, thin, and everything in between &#8211; and enjoy the benefits of eating healthy foods, and that scare-mongering about fat being unhealthy is nonsensical and hateful. Thus, our healthful tips and posts are about embracing a pro-food and healthy eating lifestyle at every size.</p>
<p>That said, we&#8217;ve encountered some resistance lately from people who have conflated our pro-food emphasis with diet-pushing. We are strictly anti-diet, of course, but these concerns have opened my eyes to another problem of the pro-food attitude, which is largely within the fat community. Health has for so long been brandished as a weapon against fat people (unrightfully so!), and as a result, people have become wary of those emphasizing such an attitude. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I loved this article &#8211; because it spoke up for the place of pro-food within the fat community and belied the perception that this approach is fat-bashing. The problem began with those who used the pro-food attitude in order to fat-hate, but the consequences, as I&#8217;ve seen them recently, have been an extreme wariness on the part of some to accept a HAES-grounded pro-food contingent (that will hopefully become the mainstream).</p>
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		<title>By: scarshapedstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>scarshapedstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your weight is fine until you reach the point where you&#039;re unable to exercise; where you couldn&#039;t lose weight even if you wanted to. Especially when you start suffering joint damage. Once you reach that point, well, you&#039;re doomed. I suppose you can get a gastric bypass but invasive surgery kind of belies the claim that you don&#039;t have a health problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your weight is fine until you reach the point where you&#8217;re unable to exercise; where you couldn&#8217;t lose weight even if you wanted to. Especially when you start suffering joint damage. Once you reach that point, well, you&#8217;re doomed. I suppose you can get a gastric bypass but invasive surgery kind of belies the claim that you don&#8217;t have a health problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 04:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to note that Michael Pollan, at least in In Defense of Food, does talk about the various &quot;truths&quot; that have come and gone in the health science, from blaming fat to blaming calories to blaming carbs. Reading his book definitely helped me feel more defiantly comfortable with putting butter on my toast and honey in my tea, and not feel like it is inherently a bad thing I should try not to do. That said, he never goes that final step to really challenge the idea that fat is unhealthy. 

The &quot;fat=unhealthy&quot; meme has been used to fat-shame in my family for several generations, to the point where passing on dessert has become a moral act right up there with donating blood or volunteering at the food bank. As you might imagine, asking for dessert when everyone else is passing draws the kind of disapproval usually reserved for snorting cocaine off the table during Christmas dinner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to note that Michael Pollan, at least in In Defense of Food, does talk about the various &#8220;truths&#8221; that have come and gone in the health science, from blaming fat to blaming calories to blaming carbs. Reading his book definitely helped me feel more defiantly comfortable with putting butter on my toast and honey in my tea, and not feel like it is inherently a bad thing I should try not to do. That said, he never goes that final step to really challenge the idea that fat is unhealthy. </p>
<p>The &#8220;fat=unhealthy&#8221; meme has been used to fat-shame in my family for several generations, to the point where passing on dessert has become a moral act right up there with donating blood or volunteering at the food bank. As you might imagine, asking for dessert when everyone else is passing draws the kind of disapproval usually reserved for snorting cocaine off the table during Christmas dinner.</p>
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