Author: Constintina has written 11 posts for this blog.

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    elle 9.7.2009 at 1:15 am |

    Constintina,

    Bye, and I really want to thank you for introducing me to Almeda Sperry. I’ve been reading bits and pieces and am interested in her story.

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    Caty 9.7.2009 at 7:00 am |

    Constantina, you say very simply and clearly what I wish I had the guts to say to the OrthoJew community I grew up in. Kudos.

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    sadie 9.7.2009 at 11:52 am |

    thanks for taking about being an anti-zionist Jew. many of my living sheroes (people who I deeply admire who are alive and in my life) are anti-zionist jews, and my understanding and analysis of the struggle for Palestinian liberation has been shared by them, along with radical Arab and Palestinians here.

    I know there is an amount of risk for you speaking out that, as a non jew i don’t share, and i appreciate you doing it.

    Palestine will be free!

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    Julie 9.7.2009 at 2:17 pm |

    Along with anti-Zionists in general, I do not question the right of Jews to live in historic Palestine. Jews have always lived there, often in peace with their neighbors. There’s no problem there. The problem is with the belief that Jews have more of a right to be there than anyone else, and that the “right” of a state with an artificially maintained Jewish majority to exist trumps the rights of all the people in the region.

    In a debate that so often – and so quickly – gets polarized beyond recognition, this is one of the most eloquent descriptions of ant-Zionism I’ve read. Nicely put.

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    Sarah 9.8.2009 at 12:47 am |

    I stumbled across this blog. Well written; and I’m sorry you’re only a guest poster. I have one question and one comment:

    Question: What is “historical Palestine?” I’m going to guess you mean the country that immediately preceded modern Israel. If so, that country isn’t all that old. “Palestine” is a British invention, as is Jordan and the rest of the countries on the Arabian peninsula. If you’re thinking about the ancient Philistines, they have absolutely no connection whatsoever to modern day Arabs.

    Comment: On September 11, 2001, the country of Israel mourned. Israeli flags in Israel and around the world flew at half-mast. Arab children – in Paramus, NJ, and around the world – danced in the streets.

    Perhaps, as you say, Zionism equals racism. I still don’t know; and I’m old enough to know that I’m not as smart as I thought I once was. Compromise is always necessary and you have to choose your bedfellows wisely. I can assure you of one thing: the Islamic world is not interested in peace – how you or I would define it – with you, me, President Obama or anyone else.

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    Anna 9.8.2009 at 12:25 pm |

    Sarah: Someone else might want to contest the factual basis of your claims about Palestine, but I’ll just take them at face value. Even if all of that is true, what does it have to do with the current situation? Regardless of who or what was named a Palestinian or Palestine, there were obviously people living there, and they’ve been displaced, and they and their descendants are still being subjected to human-rights violations.

    Regarding your statement about the September 11, 2001 attacks: Your comments about the Islamic world seem to be oversimplifying a very complex situation into a binary, us-versus-them worldview. This is the exact kind of worldview that might have led to the 9/11 attacks in the first place, since it is my understanding that the attackers viewed the United States and the West in just such a binary, us-versus-them way. Just as you presume to speak of the Islamic world’s interests, so too did the attackers view the West as equally monolithic.

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    jak 9.8.2009 at 1:01 pm |

    I’m not sure what I think about this. I consider myself a Zionist in that I think it is a good thing to have a Jewish majority state of Israel (one can totally argue over whether it should have been founded where it is in the first place, but in any case, it’s there now, and I don’t think it should be moved).

    That said, I think the Israeli government’s policies regarding settlements are stupid, and that we need to come up with a reasonable compromise around east Jerusalem. And that there should be a Palestinian state that exists side-by-side (and probably very intertwined economically, at least) with Israel. I think that Israeli Arabs should have full citizenship rights, that the Israeli government should be doing more to make sure they have them, and that Avigdor Lieberman is appalling. I don’t believe the Arabic population of current Israel should have had to leave in 1948 (and accounts of the time are unclear on the reasons that they left- yes, some were definitely kicked out. some were definitely not. the majority? who knows?), and that having a Palestinian state would not make up for that, but would go some way towards repairing that wound.

    I don’t believe there is a contradiction between these beliefs.

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    MannyJ 9.8.2009 at 7:37 pm |

    Constintina, I sympathize with your position, but I disagree. You make an intellectual error with real-world consequences. Zionism is not “racism,” because Jews are not a “race.” It is nationalism, or at worst tribalism.

    That’s not just an abstract distinction. Nationalism, the right to national self-determination, is the foundation of international law. You can’t join White, but you can become a Jew — and many ethnic Arabs are Jews. If every Arab in the occupied territories converted to Judaism next year, they would all be instantly eligible for Israeli citizenship.

    Absurd? Not really. Every nation distinguishes between members and outsiders, and most have stringent citizenship requirements (many people would find it harder to become a Canadian than to undergo Jewish conversion, for example). Just because the U.S. defines every person born in its borders as a citizen, does not mean Israel has to use that definition — much less grant citizenship to all people whose grandparents or great-grandparents lived in what is now Israel.

    You say that Jews should not elevate their interest in statehood above the needs of the Moslems in what used to be British Mandate Palestine. But what is the alternative? To live in an Islamic Palestine as non-Muslim aliens? Think of how poorly the Kurds or the Lebanese Christians have been treated. It is not “exploiting” the Holocaust to observe that living in other nations’ states got 1/3 of all Jews murdered in the 1940s. A Jewish State on historic Jewish territory was the practical, humanitarian solution. It still is.

    In your zeal for the underdog, you also buy into some myths. Why call the current Palestinians “refugees” from their (great)-grandparents’ homes? Am I a refugee from Ukraine because my grandparents fled the Cossacks? Why gloss over the Moslem anti-Semitic storm at the Durban conference?

    I share your outrage and horror at Israel’s very real moral failings and even war crimes. But I cannot agree that the solution is to void the Jewish right to national self-determination and idealize the enemies of Israel.

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    Tam 9.8.2009 at 9:14 pm |

    I cannot even begin to express how much I admire non-Zionist Jews, especially in the USA. For anybody to speak out against zionism is taboo, and I can only imagine how much of a taboo it must be for a Jewish person to do so. I’ve been called an anti-semite so many times just for opposing Zionism (both by Jews and non-Jews) that I am now literally afraid to speak out about the way I feel. I feel like I am weak for having that fear, but it hurts so much to be accused of racism when that is one of the things you dedicate your life to fighting. It is so comforting and encouraging to hear from and about anti-Zionist Jews. And the poll results about Jewish people under 35 are very encouraging too, as much as I know that polls can be deceiving. They really make me feel a bit better about the world. Thank you so much for sharing!

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    PTS 9.9.2009 at 6:21 am |

    I don’t see how Zionism can be a racist movement without declaring all nationalist movements racist. Was it racism for the Czechs or the Slovenes or the Bosnians to demand autonomy from the Austro-Hungarian empire? Was it racism for the Ukraine to demand independence from the USSR or the Kurds from Saddam’s Iraq? Or the Armenians from Turkey? If you want to condemn all those movements as racist, then okay but most people balk.

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    denise 9.23.2009 at 8:02 am |

    there has to be a place to take jews when other countries wont.
    for me, that is why israel must exist.

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