Comments on: Garden State Equality and New Jersey’s fight for gay marriage

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Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:09:54 +0000

[...] At least one conservative is on board with Garden State Equality’s gay-marriage-by-the-end-of-the-year push, and explains that it’s not a partisan issue. [...]

By: Gay News Roundup: Sulu Becomes a Newlywed, the Tri-State Area Is Confused About Its Sexuality « Jess and Josh Talk About Stuff

Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:08:54 +0000

[...] At least one conservative is on board with Garden State Equality’s gay-marriage-by-the-end-of-the-year push, and explains that it’s not a partisan issue. [...]

By: Jason

Jason — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:46:16 +0000

Isn’t it a little sad that Senators and Assemblymen/women WON’T vote their consciences BEFORE the election and they are comfortable with letting people be treated unfairly as long as it doesn’t affect their re-election? It’s sad. And the fact that Corzine won’t call for the bill now is also sad. The Democrats have control of the legislature and the governor’s office. I must be insane to keep giving them money for their campaigns. VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE NOW!

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:00:37 +0000

Not to mention the fact that voter breakdown and proportions/correlations are not nearly as reliable measures as other statistics (regression, for example). The ethnic voting pattern from Prop 8 is exceedingly complicated. I know that all sounds a bit obnoxious for me to say “your stats are weak”….but yeah.

By: Jill

Jill — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:53:02 +0000

Bill, I think you’re the one who should get a clue. Look at the vote breakdown of Prop 8. I know the “blame the black and Latino folks” was a fun meme, but it was totally inaccurate. Read through the voting stats and then come back.

By: Bill

Bill — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:49:10 +0000

@ Cara – post #2

Are ya kidding? Have ya LOOKED at Prop 8 in California? EXISTING marriage rights were TAKEN AWAY, but only from Gay citizens. And this was done LARGELY by racial minorities. Ya know, those persecuted groups that Gay citizens have marched and fought for, only to have our faces spat upon by those very same people.

So, while I am so very sorry you felt ‘uncomfortable’ reading the first paragraph, I wonder just how ‘uncomfortable’ you would feel with YOUR human rights up to a public vote. And to be voted on by the very people who hate and oppress you.

Get a clue, Cara.

By: abbyjean

abbyjean — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:58:32 +0000

thanks, cara, that made me uncomfortable as well. i think it’s possible to share a reaction to opposition of same-sex marriage without attributing them to an individual with limited english proficiency and a non-white ethnic background. this is especially true given the assumptions about age and support that the author had contradicted in later experience. let’s focus on the equality issues without “othering” other groups.

By: Cara

Cara — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:53:01 +0000

The beginning of this post is making me exceedingly uncomfortable. Is there a reason that you decided to include the woman’s ethnicity, accent and English proficiency in the description of your call? How is this information relevant to her discriminatory views and to the larger subject of your post?

By: Jesurgislac

Jesurgislac — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:39:58 +0000

Conservative and Republican policies are in general so hateful and destructive that it is unsurprising that, in order to foster support amongd people who will be damaged by those policies, conservatives and Republicans in general campaign by lying about their policies (and the policies of their opponents) and by fostering hatred for “the other” among their supporters. For the Republican party in the US, “the other” can be feminist women, gay people, black people, immigrants – whatever: their core support is white people who want to believe themselves superior to those “others”.

I think a rigorous analysis of feminist theory must lead to a position opposing conservative policies, but I wouldn’t quarrel with anyone identifying themselves as feminist when they simply mean the basics “Equal rights for women”. Nevertheless, in the Republican party support for women’s equality and human rights will as naturally lead a person into direct political conflict with their own party as support for black people’s equality and human rights, GLBT equality and human rights, etc.