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	<title>Comments on: Beyond The Tramp Stamp</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Ariskygal</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/16/beyond-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-277108</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariskygal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classism is so overlooked in this country. I wonder if there are geographic differences in terms of places in the US with depressed economies and the frequency of tattoos. It strikes me that a tattoo is a fairly cheap and easy way to take control of something in your like. When you work a crappy job and are just getting by you might not have that much control in your life otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classism is so overlooked in this country. I wonder if there are geographic differences in terms of places in the US with depressed economies and the frequency of tattoos. It strikes me that a tattoo is a fairly cheap and easy way to take control of something in your like. When you work a crappy job and are just getting by you might not have that much control in your life otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/16/beyond-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-276798</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is the first time I’ve heard of tattoos being equated with low-income; I’m too broke for my next tattoo, therefore I don’t yet have it– how the hell would one make that connection?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t mean this to sound patronizing, but are you under 25?  Because if you are, you don&#039;t remember a time when middle-class people with college degrees didn&#039;t have tattoos.  The &#039;90s was the first time that really happened; prior to that, they were a blue-collar/biker/military thing.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If a huge tattoo could be the difference between getting into that prestigious law firm or not that could prompt a lot more worry and thought than getting a tat before a job interview at Walmart (do they care what you look like? At all?)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Suits cover up a lot.  If you don&#039;t have your neck, face or hands tattooed (or lower legs, if you&#039;re a woman and wear skirts), no one need know you have a tattoo.  And unless you&#039;re a complete idiot, you cover that shit up when you go for the interview.

It was harder when you *had* to wear a skirt to interviews or to work, which is one reason I didn&#039;t get a band around my ankle back in 1993.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is the first time I’ve heard of tattoos being equated with low-income; I’m too broke for my next tattoo, therefore I don’t yet have it– how the hell would one make that connection?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean this to sound patronizing, but are you under 25?  Because if you are, you don&#8217;t remember a time when middle-class people with college degrees didn&#8217;t have tattoos.  The &#8217;90s was the first time that really happened; prior to that, they were a blue-collar/biker/military thing.</p>
<blockquote><p>If a huge tattoo could be the difference between getting into that prestigious law firm or not that could prompt a lot more worry and thought than getting a tat before a job interview at Walmart (do they care what you look like? At all?)</p></blockquote>
<p>Suits cover up a lot.  If you don&#8217;t have your neck, face or hands tattooed (or lower legs, if you&#8217;re a woman and wear skirts), no one need know you have a tattoo.  And unless you&#8217;re a complete idiot, you cover that shit up when you go for the interview.</p>
<p>It was harder when you *had* to wear a skirt to interviews or to work, which is one reason I didn&#8217;t get a band around my ankle back in 1993.</p>
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		<title>By: charlotte</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/16/beyond-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-276702</link>
		<dc:creator>charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One conversation isn&#039;t going to change anybody&#039;s mind, let alone years of internalized prejudice.  As we say in my native language &quot;Steter Tropfen hoehlt den Stein&quot; ...

Anyway.  I grew up, in Germany, with exactly the same prejudice.  I was raised by my Grandma whose much-hated father was a sailor.  So, for her, any and all tattoos were associated with a culture of rape, molestation, and abandonment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One conversation isn&#8217;t going to change anybody&#8217;s mind, let alone years of internalized prejudice.  As we say in my native language &#8220;Steter Tropfen hoehlt den Stein&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway.  I grew up, in Germany, with exactly the same prejudice.  I was raised by my Grandma whose much-hated father was a sailor.  So, for her, any and all tattoos were associated with a culture of rape, molestation, and abandonment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Groggette, 

Yes, that appears to be the implication, though the comment might deserve further explication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Groggette, </p>
<p>Yes, that appears to be the implication, though the comment might deserve further explication.</p>
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		<title>By: groggette</title>
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		<dc:creator>groggette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoa what Emily? 
Jeremy&#039;s not allowed to call out classist comments just because he&#039;s a man and the friend is a woman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoa what Emily?<br />
Jeremy&#8217;s not allowed to call out classist comments just because he&#8217;s a man and the friend is a woman?</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/16/beyond-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-276676</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh thank you Jeremy. Without you &quot;put[ting] her nonsense in check&quot; she would have continued having a viewpoint different from your own far, far superior one. 

Thank goodness there are men like you around. Bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh thank you Jeremy. Without you &#8220;put[ting] her nonsense in check&#8221; she would have continued having a viewpoint different from your own far, far superior one. </p>
<p>Thank goodness there are men like you around. Bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;f a huge tattoo could be the difference between getting into that prestigious law firm or not that could prompt a lot more worry and thought than getting a tat before a job interview at Walmart (do they care what you look like? At all?)&lt;/em&gt;

I live in a very blue-collar area where having or not having tattoos is not much of an issue.  Everyone I work with (in sales) has tattoos, many of them visible, and we work with the public in varying capacities.  I see tattoos daily on lawyers, business owners, cooks, customer service workers, bikers, and professors, and I talk tattoos with my clients pretty regularly.  The more you travel into blue-collar and working-class communities the more I notice their acceptability.  

I&#039;m definitely interested in expanding the conversation on middle-class tattoo narratives for this reason, especially since the kinds of middle-class manufacturing jobs that used to support a family are rapidly disappearing in the Midwest.  I wonder if they could be a hindrance socially as the class imbalance becomes more pronounced, whereas in my experience they have always served prior as a conversation piece or a sign that you&#039;re &quot;down.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>f a huge tattoo could be the difference between getting into that prestigious law firm or not that could prompt a lot more worry and thought than getting a tat before a job interview at Walmart (do they care what you look like? At all?)</em></p>
<p>I live in a very blue-collar area where having or not having tattoos is not much of an issue.  Everyone I work with (in sales) has tattoos, many of them visible, and we work with the public in varying capacities.  I see tattoos daily on lawyers, business owners, cooks, customer service workers, bikers, and professors, and I talk tattoos with my clients pretty regularly.  The more you travel into blue-collar and working-class communities the more I notice their acceptability.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m definitely interested in expanding the conversation on middle-class tattoo narratives for this reason, especially since the kinds of middle-class manufacturing jobs that used to support a family are rapidly disappearing in the Midwest.  I wonder if they could be a hindrance socially as the class imbalance becomes more pronounced, whereas in my experience they have always served prior as a conversation piece or a sign that you&#8217;re &#8220;down.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bagelsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bagelsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I suspect that it’s as likely to be the other way around: if $150 is a larger investment to you, you might think longer about whether you want to spend it on a tattoo, and if so, what the tattoo should be.&lt;/i&gt;

The potential social cost might be greater for upper/middle-class types even it&#039;s less of a monetary burden, though. If a huge tattoo could be the difference between getting into that prestigious law firm or not that could prompt a lot more worry and thought than getting a tat before a job interview at Walmart (do they care what you look like? At all?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I suspect that it’s as likely to be the other way around: if $150 is a larger investment to you, you might think longer about whether you want to spend it on a tattoo, and if so, what the tattoo should be.</i></p>
<p>The potential social cost might be greater for upper/middle-class types even it&#8217;s less of a monetary burden, though. If a huge tattoo could be the difference between getting into that prestigious law firm or not that could prompt a lot more worry and thought than getting a tat before a job interview at Walmart (do they care what you look like? At all?)</p>
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		<title>By: cacophonies</title>
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		<dc:creator>cacophonies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have several tattoos (including a “tramp stamp,” oh no!) and plans for more.  I never get upset when someone judges me based on my tattoos, because it was 100% my choice to put them there.  No one made me get the tattoos, I wasn’t born with them, and my decisions and actions are certainly open to criticism just like anyone else’s, about anything else.  

This is the first time I’ve heard of tattoos being equated with low-income; I’m too broke for my next tattoo, therefore I don’t yet have it-- how the hell would one make that connection?  I don’t know, it just seems like it’s totally find to say, “Yuck” about a tattoo, seeing as how the owner of said tattoo made a conscious choice in obtaining it.

I love tattoos… but I, too, am picky about what it is and where, and roll my eyes at the thought of a butterfly on a shoulder blade or Tweety Bird on an ankle.  Barf.  But I think that’s perfectly allowable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have several tattoos (including a “tramp stamp,” oh no!) and plans for more.  I never get upset when someone judges me based on my tattoos, because it was 100% my choice to put them there.  No one made me get the tattoos, I wasn’t born with them, and my decisions and actions are certainly open to criticism just like anyone else’s, about anything else.  </p>
<p>This is the first time I’ve heard of tattoos being equated with low-income; I’m too broke for my next tattoo, therefore I don’t yet have it&#8211; how the hell would one make that connection?  I don’t know, it just seems like it’s totally find to say, “Yuck” about a tattoo, seeing as how the owner of said tattoo made a conscious choice in obtaining it.</p>
<p>I love tattoos… but I, too, am picky about what it is and where, and roll my eyes at the thought of a butterfly on a shoulder blade or Tweety Bird on an ankle.  Barf.  But I think that’s perfectly allowable.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Vigneault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have adorned my body with ink and metal. Few people judge me by it because it&#039;s hidden, but also, it&#039;s hidden because people judge.

I hate the word &quot;trashy&quot; in reference to humans. 
I feel the same way about the word &quot;classy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have adorned my body with ink and metal. Few people judge me by it because it&#8217;s hidden, but also, it&#8217;s hidden because people judge.</p>
<p>I hate the word &#8220;trashy&#8221; in reference to humans.<br />
I feel the same way about the word &#8220;classy.&#8221;</p>
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