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		<title>By: &#8220;Jennifer&#8217;s Body&#8221; and the feminists who hate it</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/22/jennifers-body-and-the-feminists-who-hate-it/#comment-281129</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Jennifer&#8217;s Body&#8221; and the feminists who hate it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dena</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/22/jennifers-body-and-the-feminists-who-hate-it/#comment-280446</link>
		<dc:creator>Dena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your question because it makes me think further and explain myself better.

What lays behind my annoyance is this:  I feel like this sexualized interaction stemmed from a sexualized relationship between the characters.  I think that the actors succeeded in kissing as though it was something they fought and wanted.

It seems like the &quot;stale&quot; comment came from a point of view where bisexuality or dykedom had its moment and should fade off into never-never-land with shoulder pads and other fads.  Well, for some of us, we kissed girls before Ally McBeal did (I&#039;m assuming she did, though I never watched) and we&#039;ll continue kissing girls far into old age, please.

I&#039;ve seen a lot of girl-kissing that was torn up by critics because of context or characterization, but that made me squirm with happy-pants.  Great acting, ladies...if you didn&#039;t like it, that is.  Girls kissing girls for a camera - they are always pretending, in that their acting.  So it&#039;s their acting ability that&#039;s in question, not their desire.

I have seen ridiculous, unrealistic kisses, ones that felt as though they were done for ratings or ticket sales.  I have seen kisses between girls in movies so clearly marketed to boys that it&#039;s amazing I was watching.  And yeah - those are sometimes annoying.  Even boring.  

I made a big leap in calling Dion straight.  Maybe Dion is queer through-and-through but is tired of shallow representations of queerness.  In that case, it may be a differing impression of how shallow this movie&#039;s representation was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your question because it makes me think further and explain myself better.</p>
<p>What lays behind my annoyance is this:  I feel like this sexualized interaction stemmed from a sexualized relationship between the characters.  I think that the actors succeeded in kissing as though it was something they fought and wanted.</p>
<p>It seems like the &#8220;stale&#8221; comment came from a point of view where bisexuality or dykedom had its moment and should fade off into never-never-land with shoulder pads and other fads.  Well, for some of us, we kissed girls before Ally McBeal did (I&#8217;m assuming she did, though I never watched) and we&#8217;ll continue kissing girls far into old age, please.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a lot of girl-kissing that was torn up by critics because of context or characterization, but that made me squirm with happy-pants.  Great acting, ladies&#8230;if you didn&#8217;t like it, that is.  Girls kissing girls for a camera &#8211; they are always pretending, in that their acting.  So it&#8217;s their acting ability that&#8217;s in question, not their desire.</p>
<p>I have seen ridiculous, unrealistic kisses, ones that felt as though they were done for ratings or ticket sales.  I have seen kisses between girls in movies so clearly marketed to boys that it&#8217;s amazing I was watching.  And yeah &#8211; those are sometimes annoying.  Even boring.  </p>
<p>I made a big leap in calling Dion straight.  Maybe Dion is queer through-and-through but is tired of shallow representations of queerness.  In that case, it may be a differing impression of how shallow this movie&#8217;s representation was.</p>
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		<title>By: kb</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/22/jennifers-body-and-the-feminists-who-hate-it/#comment-280412</link>
		<dc:creator>kb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dena-you don&#039;t find a difference between girls kissing girls for girls who like other girls vs. girls kissing girls for boys?   I&#039;m asking because what I&#039;ve heard in gossip sessions from queer women is the opposite-that they can tell, and it&#039;s boring when straight girls pretend.   but I don&#039;t know how general that complaint is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dena-you don&#8217;t find a difference between girls kissing girls for girls who like other girls vs. girls kissing girls for boys?   I&#8217;m asking because what I&#8217;ve heard in gossip sessions from queer women is the opposite-that they can tell, and it&#8217;s boring when straight girls pretend.   but I don&#8217;t know how general that complaint is.</p>
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		<title>By: Dena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, technical glitch.  I meant to put Dion&#039;s comment in the block quote: &quot;…even though girls kissing girls is soooooooooo Ally McBeal and, frankly, a bit stale&quot; and have my response be non-blocked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, technical glitch.  I meant to put Dion&#8217;s comment in the block quote: &#8220;…even though girls kissing girls is soooooooooo Ally McBeal and, frankly, a bit stale&#8221; and have my response be non-blocked.</p>
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		<title>By: Dena</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/09/22/jennifers-body-and-the-feminists-who-hate-it/#comment-280395</link>
		<dc:creator>Dena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;even though girls kissing girls is soooooooooo Ally McBeal and, frankly, a bit stale&quot;&gt;

I think you must be straight.

I feel lonely, I feel marginalized, I feel masculinized when something that turns me on is decried as being done for the male gaze.  Girls kissing girls will never be stale for me.  It was never for scoring feminist points and it will not become an old, tired tactic.

There&#039;s more than the kiss in this movie for those of us girls who like girls.  Especially for those of us who made out with friends who ended up presenting themselves as completely straight.  For those of you who saw the movie, you might remember that Jennifer also proposed to Needy that they play boyfriend/girlfriend like they used to, implying an ongoing sexual element in their relationship.  Needy seemed stripped of something in that moment, some friendly shield she&#039;d been using to hide that she liked the sexual aspect of her relationship with Jennifer.

Though I shed that shield long ago, it gave me a heart-twinge to watch the manipulative Jennifer use it to prod Needy and get a reaction.

And I might have missed something, but how does everyone know that Needy was a virgin?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<p>I think you must be straight.</p>
<p>I feel lonely, I feel marginalized, I feel masculinized when something that turns me on is decried as being done for the male gaze.  Girls kissing girls will never be stale for me.  It was never for scoring feminist points and it will not become an old, tired tactic.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more than the kiss in this movie for those of us girls who like girls.  Especially for those of us who made out with friends who ended up presenting themselves as completely straight.  For those of you who saw the movie, you might remember that Jennifer also proposed to Needy that they play boyfriend/girlfriend like they used to, implying an ongoing sexual element in their relationship.  Needy seemed stripped of something in that moment, some friendly shield she&#8217;d been using to hide that she liked the sexual aspect of her relationship with Jennifer.</p>
<p>Though I shed that shield long ago, it gave me a heart-twinge to watch the manipulative Jennifer use it to prod Needy and get a reaction.</p>
<p>And I might have missed something, but how does everyone know that Needy was a virgin?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: bethrjacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>bethrjacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=yanna+brandt&amp;btnG=Google+Search&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=

For a true feminist writer/producer who died about a year ago. Not perfect but she tried</description>
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<p>For a true feminist writer/producer who died about a year ago. Not perfect but she tried</p>
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		<title>By: Thursday Blogwhoring &#171; random babble&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thursday Blogwhoring &#171; random babble&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nona:  &#8220;Jennifer&#8217;s Body&#8221;, and the feminists who hate it. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Natalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Word to that. I’m a little tired of expecting woman-made media to be 100% feminist pure&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And I am &lt;em&gt;a lot&lt;/em&gt; tired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Word to that. I’m a little tired of expecting woman-made media to be 100% feminist pure</p></blockquote>
<p>And I am <em>a lot</em> tired.</p>
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		<title>By: Torri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing that turned me off the movie right away was that it was playing on the tired old trope of &#039;female sexuality is bad and scary!&#039; with the &#039;evil&#039; girl sleeping with and killing the poor unsuspecting high school guys and only the &#039;good&#039; girl who doesn&#039;t sleep around can stop her. Sure it&#039;s nice that another girl is the one to stop her but the premise did nothing for me. That said after reading this review I might watch it if I see it on TV.
I&#039;d recommend &#039;A Tale of two Sisters&#039; and &#039;Shutter&#039; (both the original asian films not their US remakes) both are more psychological horror and have very interesting relationships between female characters and a whole lot of twists. (Though I would put a great big trigger warning on Shutter)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing that turned me off the movie right away was that it was playing on the tired old trope of &#8216;female sexuality is bad and scary!&#8217; with the &#8216;evil&#8217; girl sleeping with and killing the poor unsuspecting high school guys and only the &#8216;good&#8217; girl who doesn&#8217;t sleep around can stop her. Sure it&#8217;s nice that another girl is the one to stop her but the premise did nothing for me. That said after reading this review I might watch it if I see it on TV.<br />
I&#8217;d recommend &#8216;A Tale of two Sisters&#8217; and &#8216;Shutter&#8217; (both the original asian films not their US remakes) both are more psychological horror and have very interesting relationships between female characters and a whole lot of twists. (Though I would put a great big trigger warning on Shutter)</p>
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		<title>By: Phrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really like gore, but I want to see it because it seems like the only film where women are actually central characters -- not just supporting characters for a main, male protagonist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really like gore, but I want to see it because it seems like the only film where women are actually central characters &#8212; not just supporting characters for a main, male protagonist.</p>
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