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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/13/feminist-reads-2/#comment-283129</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Vagina mints are, under no circumstances, a good idea.&lt;/i&gt;

But what if your vagina dentata needs a little freshener between meals and doesn&#039;t have a toothbrush?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Vagina mints are, under no circumstances, a good idea.</i></p>
<p>But what if your vagina dentata needs a little freshener between meals and doesn&#8217;t have a toothbrush?</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/13/feminist-reads-2/#comment-283039</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana, my point was that animals don&#039;t have the ability to express consent in the same ways that humans do.  The best we can do is discuss what&#039;s &quot;natural.&quot;  For dogs, it is &quot;natural,&quot; to a point, to fight. It&#039;s not necessary &quot;natural&quot; to be owned by a human, or to be sterilized -- yet we do that anyway.  Formal dog-fighting, of course, is horrific and wrong, but it&#039;s no less &quot;non-consensual&quot; than dog ownership.  

My point, again, is that &quot;consent&#039; is awfully tricky when it comes to animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana, my point was that animals don&#8217;t have the ability to express consent in the same ways that humans do.  The best we can do is discuss what&#8217;s &#8220;natural.&#8221;  For dogs, it is &#8220;natural,&#8221; to a point, to fight. It&#8217;s not necessary &#8220;natural&#8221; to be owned by a human, or to be sterilized &#8212; yet we do that anyway.  Formal dog-fighting, of course, is horrific and wrong, but it&#8217;s no less &#8220;non-consensual&#8221; than dog ownership.  </p>
<p>My point, again, is that &#8220;consent&#8217; is awfully tricky when it comes to animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/13/feminist-reads-2/#comment-283016</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;m being forced to actually share the computer so not reading the whole thread so just... &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt;??

&lt;blockquote&gt;How is dogfighting universally not consensual? “Consent,” when it comes to animals, is a little trickier of a concept than with humans. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I am extremely curious to know your logic. Dogfighting is about as consensual as anything you can talk a small child into doing.

Dogs have prey drive. Dogs also have the drive to fight other dogs to defend territory. Humans breeding dogs to never, ever give up and then fighting them until they are seriously injured, &lt;b&gt;cannot be consensual&lt;/b&gt;.

Dog fighting, &quot;done right&quot;, is not the worst thing in the world IMO. Dog fighting should be people breeding dogs to be game, then training them to be fit and strong. They are well-socialised and favourites are kept as pets post-career. 

But it is still producing animals to injure each other for your own gratification, and culling them if they&#039;re not good enough/when they&#039;re too old. And that&#039;s best case scenario.

Dogs do not have an awareness of self. How the fucking fuck can you say they can consent to anything?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m being forced to actually share the computer so not reading the whole thread so just&#8230; <i>what</i>??</p>
<blockquote><p>How is dogfighting universally not consensual? “Consent,” when it comes to animals, is a little trickier of a concept than with humans. </p></blockquote>
<p>I am extremely curious to know your logic. Dogfighting is about as consensual as anything you can talk a small child into doing.</p>
<p>Dogs have prey drive. Dogs also have the drive to fight other dogs to defend territory. Humans breeding dogs to never, ever give up and then fighting them until they are seriously injured, <b>cannot be consensual</b>.</p>
<p>Dog fighting, &#8220;done right&#8221;, is not the worst thing in the world IMO. Dog fighting should be people breeding dogs to be game, then training them to be fit and strong. They are well-socialised and favourites are kept as pets post-career. </p>
<p>But it is still producing animals to injure each other for your own gratification, and culling them if they&#8217;re not good enough/when they&#8217;re too old. And that&#8217;s best case scenario.</p>
<p>Dogs do not have an awareness of self. How the fucking fuck can you say they can consent to anything?!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/13/feminist-reads-2/#comment-282534</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it. Sorry that comment went through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it. Sorry that comment went through.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheelzebub</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/13/feminist-reads-2/#comment-282532</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheelzebub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ew, troll stink.  Someone get the Lysol.</description>
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		<title>By: Napalmnacey</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/13/feminist-reads-2/#comment-282318</link>
		<dc:creator>Napalmnacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to be vegetarian, but my body just doesn&#039;t allow for it.  I have great difficulties in absorbing iron, so I need to take extra strength iron tabs from the pharmacy (not just the regular iron vitamin pills you get from the local supermarket), regular red meat and iron rich veges that don&#039;t block iron absorption (spinach is out, parsley is in).  If I don&#039;t do this, I dip down dangerously below the healthy range of iron.  It&#039;s scary! I get all tired and shit, start sleeping for hours and going pale.

I would like to posit that Barbie does not have cankles.  Barbie&#039;s feet are too small, so it makes her tiny ankles look thick by comparison.  Barbie&#039;s feet morphology has ALWAYS bothered me, even as a kid.  I&#039;d stare at her ankles and feet and think, &quot;But human lower legs just don&#039;t LOOK like that!&quot;  They&#039;re so much more elegant and structured than that.   But there&#039;s a good reason why Barbie has stumps for feet - so her clothes don&#039;t get caught up on them!   I had a beautiful Jem doll when I was a kid (Stormer, I still have her, she&#039;s the best!) and whenever I tried to dress her in clothes, I would go through the frustration of having them get caught on her wonderful huge feet.  I really loved the big feet on the Hasbro fashion dolls, and the lovely natural breasts and full hips.   I looked at those dolls, even as a child, and thought, &quot;Yeah!  Women actually look something like that!&quot;

... I&#039;m a little passionate about fashion dolls.  I liked collecting them, and I&#039;d still collect them today if I had scads of money and a whole room to devote to it.  Instead I play The Sims 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to be vegetarian, but my body just doesn&#8217;t allow for it.  I have great difficulties in absorbing iron, so I need to take extra strength iron tabs from the pharmacy (not just the regular iron vitamin pills you get from the local supermarket), regular red meat and iron rich veges that don&#8217;t block iron absorption (spinach is out, parsley is in).  If I don&#8217;t do this, I dip down dangerously below the healthy range of iron.  It&#8217;s scary! I get all tired and shit, start sleeping for hours and going pale.</p>
<p>I would like to posit that Barbie does not have cankles.  Barbie&#8217;s feet are too small, so it makes her tiny ankles look thick by comparison.  Barbie&#8217;s feet morphology has ALWAYS bothered me, even as a kid.  I&#8217;d stare at her ankles and feet and think, &#8220;But human lower legs just don&#8217;t LOOK like that!&#8221;  They&#8217;re so much more elegant and structured than that.   But there&#8217;s a good reason why Barbie has stumps for feet &#8211; so her clothes don&#8217;t get caught up on them!   I had a beautiful Jem doll when I was a kid (Stormer, I still have her, she&#8217;s the best!) and whenever I tried to dress her in clothes, I would go through the frustration of having them get caught on her wonderful huge feet.  I really loved the big feet on the Hasbro fashion dolls, and the lovely natural breasts and full hips.   I looked at those dolls, even as a child, and thought, &#8220;Yeah!  Women actually look something like that!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; I&#8217;m a little passionate about fashion dolls.  I liked collecting them, and I&#8217;d still collect them today if I had scads of money and a whole room to devote to it.  Instead I play The Sims 2.</p>
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		<title>By: FeministLookingGlass</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/13/feminist-reads-2/#comment-282196</link>
		<dc:creator>FeministLookingGlass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But the company has been in the news for far less feminist reasons. PepsiCo’s new iPhone App for its Amp Energy drink features [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pepsi&#8217;s Stereotyping iPhone App &#171; Feminist Looking Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/13/feminist-reads-2/#comment-282154</link>
		<dc:creator>Pepsi&#8217;s Stereotyping iPhone App &#171; Feminist Looking Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be a woman of color). But the company has been in the news for far less feminist reasons. PepsiCo&#8217;s new iPhone App for its Amp Energy drink features different &#8220;scoring tips&#8221; for men to use on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to be a woman of color). But the company has been in the news for far less feminist reasons. PepsiCo&#8217;s new iPhone App for its Amp Energy drink features different &#8220;scoring tips&#8221; for men to use on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PrettyAmiable</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/13/feminist-reads-2/#comment-282072</link>
		<dc:creator>PrettyAmiable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The goal of this is to educate and not to pitch a product, but I recently did a project on (and met with the owner of) Match, Inc, maker of MatchMeat products. If anyone is curious about trying their lines (and from what I know of the company, it&#039;s really &quot;her&quot; lines), they currently sell in the Midwest in Whole Foods and Dierbergs, and have just shipped to NYC&#039;s D&#039;Agostino stores. You should be able to find it in the cooler section by the butchery in WF and Dierbergs, and it might actually be thawed in the D&#039;Agostino stores. Basically, it&#039;s meat alternatives that are designed to mimic the taste and texture of actual meat. It needs to be prepared the way meat does - meaning you would need to add your own spices and such because otherwise it&#039;s horrendously bland. Currently it comes in lots of ground flavors (think chicken, beef, two kinds of sausage, and I want to say crab... I&#039;m missing one).

Anyway, this is essentially as close as you&#039;re going to get to meat without animal slaughter. (As an aside, I&#039;m not a vegetarian). I definitely recommend trying it (and would love to know what you think and would for sure be willing to pass your thoughts on to Allison Burgess), but I will say this: it&#039;s SUPER pricey. It should be in NY for about $8 a pound, maybe 6 or 7 in the midwest depending on where you are. They sometimes do taste testings which might be a neat (free) alternative.

But yeah, it&#039;s vegan, it&#039;s in the process of getting kosher-certified, etc. 

Just a thought in the spirit of the posted article. Keep in mind that I haven&#039;t actually tried the product; I just researched it. I don&#039;t actually know how to get to my nearest WF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goal of this is to educate and not to pitch a product, but I recently did a project on (and met with the owner of) Match, Inc, maker of MatchMeat products. If anyone is curious about trying their lines (and from what I know of the company, it&#8217;s really &#8220;her&#8221; lines), they currently sell in the Midwest in Whole Foods and Dierbergs, and have just shipped to NYC&#8217;s D&#8217;Agostino stores. You should be able to find it in the cooler section by the butchery in WF and Dierbergs, and it might actually be thawed in the D&#8217;Agostino stores. Basically, it&#8217;s meat alternatives that are designed to mimic the taste and texture of actual meat. It needs to be prepared the way meat does &#8211; meaning you would need to add your own spices and such because otherwise it&#8217;s horrendously bland. Currently it comes in lots of ground flavors (think chicken, beef, two kinds of sausage, and I want to say crab&#8230; I&#8217;m missing one).</p>
<p>Anyway, this is essentially as close as you&#8217;re going to get to meat without animal slaughter. (As an aside, I&#8217;m not a vegetarian). I definitely recommend trying it (and would love to know what you think and would for sure be willing to pass your thoughts on to Allison Burgess), but I will say this: it&#8217;s SUPER pricey. It should be in NY for about $8 a pound, maybe 6 or 7 in the midwest depending on where you are. They sometimes do taste testings which might be a neat (free) alternative.</p>
<p>But yeah, it&#8217;s vegan, it&#8217;s in the process of getting kosher-certified, etc. </p>
<p>Just a thought in the spirit of the posted article. Keep in mind that I haven&#8217;t actually tried the product; I just researched it. I don&#8217;t actually know how to get to my nearest WF.</p>
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		<title>By: anonadoptee</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/13/feminist-reads-2/#comment-282061</link>
		<dc:creator>anonadoptee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find those outsourcing pregnancy articles deeply disturbing. It seems the pinnacle of exploitation</description>
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