Comments on: Actually, I think it has something to do with our periods and moon cycles and blood and stuff. Can I write for Esquire now? http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:00:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: kitrona http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/#comment-284452 kitrona Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:55:51 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17040#comment-284452 He's using Twilight as his source? Really? REALLY? The worst "vampire" story ever? (I say "vampire" because those things are not vampires. Vampires. Do. Not. Sparkle. Among other things they do not do are: go out into the sun, hang around high schools except to find prey, fall in love with prey except as an aberration, consider people as anything but food. It'd be like falling in love with a cow... not bestiality, but actual romance "she's so beautiful, I love her so much, we're going to have a life together" falling in love.) Anyway. Dude, you MIGHT want to pick up a couple more vampire books NOT written by Meyers and her ilk before making sweeping, gross generalizations. (Gross in both senses of the term... ahahaha, I'm so punny.) He’s using Twilight as his source? Really? REALLY? The worst “vampire” story ever? (I say “vampire” because those things are not vampires. Vampires. Do. Not. Sparkle. Among other things they do not do are: go out into the sun, hang around high schools except to find prey, fall in love with prey except as an aberration, consider people as anything but food. It’d be like falling in love with a cow… not bestiality, but actual romance “she’s so beautiful, I love her so much, we’re going to have a life together” falling in love.)

Anyway. Dude, you MIGHT want to pick up a couple more vampire books NOT written by Meyers and her ilk before making sweeping, gross generalizations. (Gross in both senses of the term… ahahaha, I’m so punny.)

]]> By: Sid http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/#comment-284337 Sid Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:46:46 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17040#comment-284337 Err this sort of bizarre gross unfounded generalization is much more up Details's alley than Esquire's, I'm rather surprised since they are typically good on most things. Err this sort of bizarre gross unfounded generalization is much more up Details’s alley than Esquire’s, I’m rather surprised since they are typically good on most things.

]]> By: Mel http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/#comment-284324 Mel Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:26:00 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17040#comment-284324 Menstrual blood is still blood, albeit with endometrial tissue in it. Whether vampires would be interested depends on why vampires drink blood--the nutrients in it (which should still be present) or some mystical life-force thing (that's a toss-up). Since vampires are fictional anyway, they could certainly react in different ways. Edward, as a good traditional vampire, would probably be disgusted by Bella's unclean time. (Of all the disturbing subtext in Twilight, Edward as unattainable gay boyfriend for straight girls is one of the most ridiculous possible interpretations I can imagine.) Menstrual blood is still blood, albeit with endometrial tissue in it. Whether vampires would be interested depends on why vampires drink blood–the nutrients in it (which should still be present) or some mystical life-force thing (that’s a toss-up). Since vampires are fictional anyway, they could certainly react in different ways.

Edward, as a good traditional vampire, would probably be disgusted by Bella’s unclean time.

(Of all the disturbing subtext in Twilight, Edward as unattainable gay boyfriend for straight girls is one of the most ridiculous possible interpretations I can imagine.)

]]> By: Sadinotna http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/#comment-284164 Sadinotna Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:52:16 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17040#comment-284164 @Angelia Sparrow: Indeed, the pain does not have to be inflicted on one part of the lovers by the second; that is particular to certain <b>types</b> of romance. Romance <b>in general</b> however is about pain: the sub-genres are defined by <b>what causes the pain</b>* and <b>if the pain ends</b> rather than if pain is present. (urban fantasy romance is about supernatural-inflicted pain; historical romance satisfies our desire for pain that can only occur in more "primitive" societies, etc.) Indeed, some of the best romance involves anomalous pain: that which has no reason to occur, but does anyway. The fact that the characters cannot even be argued by a devil's advocate to deserve their suffering increases the capacity for sadism so that we can enjoy the book more; Tragedies (where a character has caused its fate, even without knowledge) always force us to feel sympathy along with vital empathy, a great flaw in romance! *physical pain, without the context of love so vital for human suffering is called "torture porn," because it pisses the point. @Angelia Sparrow:

Indeed, the pain does not have to be inflicted on one part of the lovers by the second; that is particular to certain types of romance. Romance in general however is about pain: the sub-genres are defined by what causes the pain* and if the pain ends rather than if pain is present. (urban fantasy romance is about supernatural-inflicted pain; historical romance satisfies our desire for pain that can only occur in more “primitive” societies, etc.) Indeed, some of the best romance involves anomalous pain: that which has no reason to occur, but does anyway. The fact that the characters cannot even be argued by a devil’s advocate to deserve their suffering increases the capacity for sadism so that we can enjoy the book more; Tragedies (where a character has caused its fate, even without knowledge) always force us to feel sympathy along with vital empathy, a great flaw in romance!

*physical pain, without the context of love so vital for human suffering is called “torture porn,” because it pisses the point.

]]> By: Semper http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/#comment-284141 Semper Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:15:27 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17040#comment-284141 AV Flox wrote a response to that article on BlogHer that I found really insightful: http://www.blogher.com/vampire-fiction-popular-because-straight-women-secretly-want-gay-men-i-dont-think-so AV Flox wrote a response to that article on BlogHer that I found really insightful:

http://www.blogher.com/vampire-fiction-popular-because-straight-women-secretly-want-gay-men-i-dont-think-so

]]> By: shah8 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/#comment-284112 shah8 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:23:11 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17040#comment-284112 But wait! I'm not done! http://tantusinc.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TD&Product_Code=VAMP NSFW now I'm done with the topic But wait! I’m not done!

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now I’m done with the topic

]]> By: shah8 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/#comment-284108 shah8 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:06:05 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17040#comment-284108 Of course, for those of you hopelessly caught up in the pathetic prose and plot of Twilight, there is... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0470507438/ref=nosim/theplanningsh-20 <em>Product Description Can you resist the allure of Edward’s myriad charms—his ocher eyes and tousled hair, the cadence of his speech, his chiseled alabaster skin, and his gratuitous charm? Will you hunt surreptitiously and tolerate the ceaseless deluge in Forks to evade the sun and uphold the facade? Join Edward and Bella as you learn more than 600 vocabulary words to improve your score on the *SAT, ACT®, GED®, and SSAT® exams! </em> BWAH!!!! ha ha ha /me plots the murder of NCLB... Of course, for those of you hopelessly caught up in the pathetic prose and plot of Twilight, there is…

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]]> By: Angelia Sparrow http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/#comment-284106 Angelia Sparrow Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:02:31 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17040#comment-284106 Sadinotna, "Just like all romance, pain is the point." Then I'm missing the point entirely. When I write romance, the conflict comes from outside the couple (usually male). While my guys may have pain, it is not the point and something to be gotten through. The trangressively happy ending is the point. (transgressive, because, as I said, the couple is usually male) I thought the reason for sexy vampires was just to enjoy hot people with a neck fixation to rival my own. Long hair and out-of-date froufrou clothes are just the icing. There's a very famous (in vamp lit circles) story called "Some of your blood" by Theodore Sturgeon. It was quite controversial when it came out. Sadinotna, “Just like all romance, pain is the point.”
Then I’m missing the point entirely.

When I write romance, the conflict comes from outside the couple (usually male). While my guys may have pain, it is not the point and something to be gotten through. The trangressively happy ending is the point. (transgressive, because, as I said, the couple is usually male)

I thought the reason for sexy vampires was just to enjoy hot people with a neck fixation to rival my own. Long hair and out-of-date froufrou clothes are just the icing.

There’s a very famous (in vamp lit circles) story called “Some of your blood” by Theodore Sturgeon. It was quite controversial when it came out.

]]> By: shah8 http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/#comment-284105 shah8 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:00:28 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17040#comment-284105 Okay... lemme set this straight, even though it's been a zillion years since my classes on fertility, but... <em>Menstraul blood is not viable <strong>blood</strong>. It's sloughed off flesh, and there is no reason to think any vampire would want it</em>. Okay, had to get that off the chest--someone's wrong on the internets syndrome--but I'm sure most people here knows this, if not Meyer... Okay…

lemme set this straight, even though it’s been a zillion years since my classes on fertility, but…

Menstraul blood is not viable blood. It’s sloughed off flesh, and there is no reason to think any vampire would want it.

Okay, had to get that off the chest–someone’s wrong on the internets syndrome–but I’m sure most people here knows this, if not Meyer…

]]> By: Roxie http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/20/actually-i-think-it-has-something-to-do-with-our-periods-and-moon-cycles-and-blood-and-stuff-can-i-write-for-esquire-now/#comment-284104 Roxie Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:53:12 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17040#comment-284104 I meant "blood that was <b>not</b> pumping through the heart" I meant “blood that was not pumping through the heart”

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