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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FW,

According to Miriam-Webster exploit is a transitive verb (not a noun), short version, 2nd def. down, &quot; to make use of meanly or unfairly for one&#039;s own advantage.&quot;

People can be exploited for others&#039; gain. If she&#039;s going to write about issues she hasn&#039;t experienced (I don&#039;t know about Juno, but she&#039;s not plural), she needs to watch how she does it so it&#039;s handled with respect. It isn&#039;t that she&#039;s making movies and shows that deal with, say, adoption and mental health, it&#039;s that with the shows she&#039;s creating a lot of people find enforce negative stereotypes and/or misinformation. Or, bluntly, it&#039;s handled pettily at best. That&#039;s only opinion, but it&#039;s shared by a lot of people in the groups her shows are the subject of.  I&#039;ve seen the trailer for her new horror movie - unless it&#039;s radically different from the preview, it&#039;s filled with sexism. It could very well be different, haven&#039;t seen it yet. But Cody is not her movies. To argue that her movies are feminist just because she is is ridiculous. Which is what seems to be going on in the internet at large with the &quot;She can&#039;t be all things to all women&quot; vibe. That&#039;s a cop out. No one is asking her to be all things. No one expects her to present every view - just to handle the things she does put out with research and respect. Which, imo, she did not do, at least wrt USoT. You do not talk to the doctors who rule you to make a sitcom when you have no info about the subject - you talk to actual people. 

And if this is a thread to inquire whether Diablo Cody is herself a feminist, that question is moot. She already said she was, she clearly believes in equality. But that doesn&#039;t mean her films - don&#039;t - contain some rather problematic shit.</description>
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<p>According to Miriam-Webster exploit is a transitive verb (not a noun), short version, 2nd def. down, &#8221; to make use of meanly or unfairly for one&#8217;s own advantage.&#8221;</p>
<p>People can be exploited for others&#8217; gain. If she&#8217;s going to write about issues she hasn&#8217;t experienced (I don&#8217;t know about Juno, but she&#8217;s not plural), she needs to watch how she does it so it&#8217;s handled with respect. It isn&#8217;t that she&#8217;s making movies and shows that deal with, say, adoption and mental health, it&#8217;s that with the shows she&#8217;s creating a lot of people find enforce negative stereotypes and/or misinformation. Or, bluntly, it&#8217;s handled pettily at best. That&#8217;s only opinion, but it&#8217;s shared by a lot of people in the groups her shows are the subject of.  I&#8217;ve seen the trailer for her new horror movie &#8211; unless it&#8217;s radically different from the preview, it&#8217;s filled with sexism. It could very well be different, haven&#8217;t seen it yet. But Cody is not her movies. To argue that her movies are feminist just because she is is ridiculous. Which is what seems to be going on in the internet at large with the &#8220;She can&#8217;t be all things to all women&#8221; vibe. That&#8217;s a cop out. No one is asking her to be all things. No one expects her to present every view &#8211; just to handle the things she does put out with research and respect. Which, imo, she did not do, at least wrt USoT. You do not talk to the doctors who rule you to make a sitcom when you have no info about the subject &#8211; you talk to actual people. </p>
<p>And if this is a thread to inquire whether Diablo Cody is herself a feminist, that question is moot. She already said she was, she clearly believes in equality. But that doesn&#8217;t mean her films &#8211; don&#8217;t &#8211; contain some rather problematic shit.</p>
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		<title>By: FW</title>
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		<dc:creator>FW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The challenge is drawing a line between sisterhood and exploitation.&quot;

==== yes... and first we need, and feminism needs to examine the use of the word exploit. 

Exploit is a verb which applies to OBJECTS. Always, only, and forever. Objects. 
In the term &quot;sexual exploitation&quot; the object being exploited is the sexuality. Not the person. 

Situations are exploited, 
Weaknesses are exploited, 
Characteristics are exploited. 

People are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The challenge is drawing a line between sisterhood and exploitation.&#8221;</p>
<p>==== yes&#8230; and first we need, and feminism needs to examine the use of the word exploit. </p>
<p>Exploit is a verb which applies to OBJECTS. Always, only, and forever. Objects.<br />
In the term &#8220;sexual exploitation&#8221; the object being exploited is the sexuality. Not the person. </p>
<p>Situations are exploited,<br />
Weaknesses are exploited,<br />
Characteristics are exploited. </p>
<p>People are not.</p>
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		<title>By: FW</title>
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		<dc:creator>FW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, indeed, the best thing about her is she gets other people talking. I love the hypocrisy she exposes. So very uncomfortable for so very many people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, indeed, the best thing about her is she gets other people talking. I love the hypocrisy she exposes. So very uncomfortable for so very many people.</p>
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		<title>By: thetroubleis</title>
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		<dc:creator>thetroubleis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s that way Juno portrayed adoption was offensive.

I still am a teenager and thing Juno was a crappy movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s that way Juno portrayed adoption was offensive.</p>
<p>I still am a teenager and thing Juno was a crappy movie.</p>
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		<title>By: hydropsyche</title>
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		<dc:creator>hydropsyche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved both &lt;i&gt;Juno&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Jennifer&#039;s Body&lt;/i&gt;.  I spend a lot of time around teenagers and used to be one myself and I thought the dialogue was spot on.  It makes me sad that so many people hate what I think are great, interesting, fun movies.  And it goes without saying that I am absolutely, positively a feminist.

I do wonder if the problem with &lt;i&gt;Juno&lt;/i&gt; is that there have been so few movies that even talk about abortion or adoption that &lt;i&gt;Juno&lt;/i&gt; is forced to be the center of conversation about those topics, when really it&#039;s just about a single abortion that didn&#039;t happen and a single adoption that did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved both <i>Juno</i> and <i>Jennifer&#8217;s Body</i>.  I spend a lot of time around teenagers and used to be one myself and I thought the dialogue was spot on.  It makes me sad that so many people hate what I think are great, interesting, fun movies.  And it goes without saying that I am absolutely, positively a feminist.</p>
<p>I do wonder if the problem with <i>Juno</i> is that there have been so few movies that even talk about abortion or adoption that <i>Juno</i> is forced to be the center of conversation about those topics, when really it&#8217;s just about a single abortion that didn&#8217;t happen and a single adoption that did.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Like I said, Diablo is like some sort of Rorschach for feminists – it surprises me how much she polarizes us&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What&#039;s a nice way to say &quot;I reject the HELL outta that framing?&quot;  Because I do.  I knew I didn&#039;t want to comment for this; I only did because Laurel reminded me of all the moments I wasted wincing over that wretched dialogue, and because I wanted to convey, by nodding also at Mar&#039;s comment, that &lt;em&gt;feminism is not a brand&lt;/em&gt;.  It is not about our brand choices.  It is not about which female entertainers we like or which women-centered this, that, or the other thing we consume--excuse me, I mean support.  But it had better be about more than what we give two thumbs up to and what we give two thumbs down.

And sweet merciful Jesus, we&#039;ve got other choices besides &quot;feminist ally&quot; and Sarah Maverick Palin.

I know!  Pop culture and feminism have intersections!  And that&#039;s great, and fun to explore, and why I read Tiger Beatdown devotedly the same as everybody else, but when it gets distilled into the nonsense that we are actually capable of being polarized by Diablo Cody, that we&#039;re that out of ideas, that out of our depths, that shallow, I lose it.  A thread about Diablo Cody, Feminist? is probably not the place for me to do that, I admit--especially because my ranting is only going to be held up as more evidence that Diablo Cody is a really polarizing figure, see?  Look at that lady cussing away!

That said, &quot;Diablo Cody:  Feminist?  or former governor of Alaska?&quot; does grate.  And in saying it grates, I feel trapped--like any little thing I do to try to kick the machine in the nads only winds up feeding it.  Maybe, as someone upthread suggested, she wouldn&#039;t get held up as this polarizing figure if there weren&#039;t so few successful women filmmakers these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Like I said, Diablo is like some sort of Rorschach for feminists – it surprises me how much she polarizes us</p></blockquote>
<p>What&#8217;s a nice way to say &#8220;I reject the HELL outta that framing?&#8221;  Because I do.  I knew I didn&#8217;t want to comment for this; I only did because Laurel reminded me of all the moments I wasted wincing over that wretched dialogue, and because I wanted to convey, by nodding also at Mar&#8217;s comment, that <em>feminism is not a brand</em>.  It is not about our brand choices.  It is not about which female entertainers we like or which women-centered this, that, or the other thing we consume&#8211;excuse me, I mean support.  But it had better be about more than what we give two thumbs up to and what we give two thumbs down.</p>
<p>And sweet merciful Jesus, we&#8217;ve got other choices besides &#8220;feminist ally&#8221; and Sarah Maverick Palin.</p>
<p>I know!  Pop culture and feminism have intersections!  And that&#8217;s great, and fun to explore, and why I read Tiger Beatdown devotedly the same as everybody else, but when it gets distilled into the nonsense that we are actually capable of being polarized by Diablo Cody, that we&#8217;re that out of ideas, that out of our depths, that shallow, I lose it.  A thread about Diablo Cody, Feminist? is probably not the place for me to do that, I admit&#8211;especially because my ranting is only going to be held up as more evidence that Diablo Cody is a really polarizing figure, see?  Look at that lady cussing away!</p>
<p>That said, &#8220;Diablo Cody:  Feminist?  or former governor of Alaska?&#8221; does grate.  And in saying it grates, I feel trapped&#8211;like any little thing I do to try to kick the machine in the nads only winds up feeding it.  Maybe, as someone upthread suggested, she wouldn&#8217;t get held up as this polarizing figure if there weren&#8217;t so few successful women filmmakers these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Wizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Wizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for checking out my post!  Like I said, Diablo is like some sort of Rorschach for feminists - it surprises me how much she polarizes us.  The beauty is we&#039;re all entitled to our own opinions.  The challenge is drawing a line between sisterhood and exploitation.  I see Diablo as more of a feminist ally whose ideas don&#039;t always click with many feminists than a wolf in feminist clothing (you know, a Sarah Palin type).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for checking out my post!  Like I said, Diablo is like some sort of Rorschach for feminists &#8211; it surprises me how much she polarizes us.  The beauty is we&#8217;re all entitled to our own opinions.  The challenge is drawing a line between sisterhood and exploitation.  I see Diablo as more of a feminist ally whose ideas don&#8217;t always click with many feminists than a wolf in feminist clothing (you know, a Sarah Palin type).</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m scrambling for crumbs, but I do like that Cody is centering women in her movies and that these women aren&#039;t simpering love interests to some tragic hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m scrambling for crumbs, but I do like that Cody is centering women in her movies and that these women aren&#8217;t simpering love interests to some tragic hero.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The part in Juno where Sonic Youth is a signifier for people who are old and don&#039;t know it...  made me feel so old.

But yeah, I&#039;m fine with Diablo.  I&#039;m sorry that there are so few women&#039;s voices in the mainstream that hers is expected to stand in for everyone, because she just isn&#039;t up to that challenge.  In a perfect universe full of diverse successful writers she would seem just fine to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part in Juno where Sonic Youth is a signifier for people who are old and don&#8217;t know it&#8230;  made me feel so old.</p>
<p>But yeah, I&#8217;m fine with Diablo.  I&#8217;m sorry that there are so few women&#8217;s voices in the mainstream that hers is expected to stand in for everyone, because she just isn&#8217;t up to that challenge.  In a perfect universe full of diverse successful writers she would seem just fine to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, did I ever not proofread that comment. &quot;Pulled over,&quot; I meant. And forgive the misplaced quotation marks plz.

K, I watched this with my adoptive mom. She insisted, because it was just so cute and because her brother said the main character reminded him of (42-year-old) me. Ye gods, I should be in therapy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, did I ever not proofread that comment. &#8220;Pulled over,&#8221; I meant. And forgive the misplaced quotation marks plz.</p>
<p>K, I watched this with my adoptive mom. She insisted, because it was just so cute and because her brother said the main character reminded him of (42-year-old) me. Ye gods, I should be in therapy&#8230;.</p>
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