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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: FW</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/28/someone-please-get-this-man-a-dictionary/#comment-285354</link>
		<dc:creator>FW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I never! 
hmph. 

And the word is &quot;Shill&quot; isn&#039;t it? It&#039;s one of my faves, I ask people alla time &quot;are you a fool or a shill?&quot; but people just get mad, prolly cuz I exposed their shillfull behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I never!<br />
hmph. </p>
<p>And the word is &#8220;Shill&#8221; isn&#8217;t it? It&#8217;s one of my faves, I ask people alla time &#8220;are you a fool or a shill?&#8221; but people just get mad, prolly cuz I exposed their shillfull behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: The Flash</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/28/someone-please-get-this-man-a-dictionary/#comment-285351</link>
		<dc:creator>The Flash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well geez, isn&#039;t an intrinsic part of sex work that you&#039;re not just sleeping with guys you would normally want to sleep with? That&#039;s called &quot;dating.&quot;  Doesn&#039;t prostitution involve sleeping with guys you wouldn&#039;t want to sleep with sans payment? And, like, pretending you want to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well geez, isn&#8217;t an intrinsic part of sex work that you&#8217;re not just sleeping with guys you would normally want to sleep with? That&#8217;s called &#8220;dating.&#8221;  Doesn&#8217;t prostitution involve sleeping with guys you wouldn&#8217;t want to sleep with sans payment? And, like, pretending you want to?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Foolery</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/28/someone-please-get-this-man-a-dictionary/#comment-285347</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Foolery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I disagree with Tom Foolery up above, myrmidon does not work.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I disagree with your disagreement! It&#039;s true that Myrmidons are loyal, but the source of their loyalty isn&#039;t connoted in the word itself, so it doesn&#039;t exclude the possibility of having said loyalty purchased. For that reason, I think it&#039;s a far better term to use than the one Grayson used, because it focuses on what&#039;s really wrong with the behavior of some lobbyists -- the willingness to do or advocate abhorrent things without questioning their employers.  

If it&#039;s really important that we get the money in there, you can call them &quot;money-grubbing myrmidons,&quot; and get some alliteration in there, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I disagree with Tom Foolery up above, myrmidon does not work.</p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree with your disagreement! It&#8217;s true that Myrmidons are loyal, but the source of their loyalty isn&#8217;t connoted in the word itself, so it doesn&#8217;t exclude the possibility of having said loyalty purchased. For that reason, I think it&#8217;s a far better term to use than the one Grayson used, because it focuses on what&#8217;s really wrong with the behavior of some lobbyists &#8212; the willingness to do or advocate abhorrent things without questioning their employers.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s really important that we get the money in there, you can call them &#8220;money-grubbing myrmidons,&#8221; and get some alliteration in there, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinome</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/28/someone-please-get-this-man-a-dictionary/#comment-285343</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the criticism of the original post misses the mark since one of the definitions of &quot;whore&quot; is  &quot;A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.&quot; (Dictionary.com)  The problem is not that he used it wrong, but that he used sexist misogynistic term as a term of contempt.   This definition is is derivitive of contempt for women being involved in sex and therefore compromising their virtue.    

In law its pretty common for people to call certain experts plaintiff&#039;s or defense  whores because they will say anything for money as opposed to give their honest opinion.  I have been for quite a while trying to figure out a way to express contempt for such people without using the word whore and I have yet to come up with a word that really fits the bill.  

I disagree with Tom Foolery up above, myrmidon does not work.  It connotes a loyal follower or automaton (based on the original ant people) they may be ruthless but there is no connotation of principles for sale.  

The closest I can think of is mercenary or hired gun, but again they don&#039;t really carry the right nuance.

I think the problem is that English doesn&#039;t really have our back, at least when it comes to expressing negative opinions of people.  Many of the words seem to be based on denigrating some group. &quot;Lame&quot; &quot;idiot&quot; &quot;Hysterical&quot; &quot;dumb&quot; all have strong even nuanced meanings, but all have lots of baggage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the criticism of the original post misses the mark since one of the definitions of &#8220;whore&#8221; is  &#8220;A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.&#8221; (Dictionary.com)  The problem is not that he used it wrong, but that he used sexist misogynistic term as a term of contempt.   This definition is is derivitive of contempt for women being involved in sex and therefore compromising their virtue.    </p>
<p>In law its pretty common for people to call certain experts plaintiff&#8217;s or defense  whores because they will say anything for money as opposed to give their honest opinion.  I have been for quite a while trying to figure out a way to express contempt for such people without using the word whore and I have yet to come up with a word that really fits the bill.  </p>
<p>I disagree with Tom Foolery up above, myrmidon does not work.  It connotes a loyal follower or automaton (based on the original ant people) they may be ruthless but there is no connotation of principles for sale.  </p>
<p>The closest I can think of is mercenary or hired gun, but again they don&#8217;t really carry the right nuance.</p>
<p>I think the problem is that English doesn&#8217;t really have our back, at least when it comes to expressing negative opinions of people.  Many of the words seem to be based on denigrating some group. &#8220;Lame&#8221; &#8220;idiot&#8221; &#8220;Hysterical&#8221; &#8220;dumb&#8221; all have strong even nuanced meanings, but all have lots of baggage.</p>
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		<title>By: jannet</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/28/someone-please-get-this-man-a-dictionary/#comment-285339</link>
		<dc:creator>jannet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man.  i messed that up.  i meant to quote this : 

Lobbyists are kind of like prostitutes; advocating for something you believe in is exhilirating and satisfying. Advocating for something you pretend to believe in and getting paid for it is the prostitution equivalent. So in this game, sex and advocacy are things that should be saved for when you really care, and these people dish one or the other out for money.

Also, people call men this word, too. I think it just means “people who pretend to be sincere in exchange for money.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man.  i messed that up.  i meant to quote this : </p>
<p>Lobbyists are kind of like prostitutes; advocating for something you believe in is exhilirating and satisfying. Advocating for something you pretend to believe in and getting paid for it is the prostitution equivalent. So in this game, sex and advocacy are things that should be saved for when you really care, and these people dish one or the other out for money.</p>
<p>Also, people call men this word, too. I think it just means “people who pretend to be sincere in exchange for money.”</p>
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		<title>By: jannet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jannet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Lobbyists&quot;&gt;

Ummm ... I&#039;m feeling a little bit sensitive about people making sweeping statements about what sex workers do.  sex workers pretend to be sincere in exchange for money?  And, therefor, using a word so full of contempt for sex workers, or anyone perceived to share qualities with sex workers, is justified?  Could you elaborate on your vast experience with sex workers that leads you to this conclusion?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<p>Ummm &#8230; I&#8217;m feeling a little bit sensitive about people making sweeping statements about what sex workers do.  sex workers pretend to be sincere in exchange for money?  And, therefor, using a word so full of contempt for sex workers, or anyone perceived to share qualities with sex workers, is justified?  Could you elaborate on your vast experience with sex workers that leads you to this conclusion?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tom Foolery</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/28/someone-please-get-this-man-a-dictionary/#comment-285324</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Foolery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myrmidon: A soldier or a subordinate civil officer who executes cruel orders of a superior without protest or pity

If you just exert yourself, you will find English has got your back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myrmidon: A soldier or a subordinate civil officer who executes cruel orders of a superior without protest or pity</p>
<p>If you just exert yourself, you will find English has got your back.</p>
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		<title>By: Hershele Ostropoler</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/28/someone-please-get-this-man-a-dictionary/#comment-285321</link>
		<dc:creator>Hershele Ostropoler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What term to use? I&#039;m not trying to defend &quot;whore&quot; in this context, but I can&#039;t think of a non-stigmatizing term that conveys the same idea. &quot;Hack,&quot; possibly, but that&#039;s somewhat bland.

norbiz, I too think you&#039;re missing the point a bit.

AJD, I&#039;m not sure I see what&#039;s objectionable about that use of &quot;masturbation.&quot; Not that masturbation&#039;s a &lt;b&gt;bad&lt;/b&gt; thing but I doubt you&#039;ll find many people who&#039;ll say it&#039;s particularly important or anything more than a leisure activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What term to use? I&#8217;m not trying to defend &#8220;whore&#8221; in this context, but I can&#8217;t think of a non-stigmatizing term that conveys the same idea. &#8220;Hack,&#8221; possibly, but that&#8217;s somewhat bland.</p>
<p>norbiz, I too think you&#8217;re missing the point a bit.</p>
<p>AJD, I&#8217;m not sure I see what&#8217;s objectionable about that use of &#8220;masturbation.&#8221; Not that masturbation&#8217;s a <b>bad</b> thing but I doubt you&#8217;ll find many people who&#8217;ll say it&#8217;s particularly important or anything more than a leisure activity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Foolery</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/10/28/someone-please-get-this-man-a-dictionary/#comment-285309</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Foolery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this comparing of politicians and lobbyists to sex workers is offensive to sex workers. I&#039;d say the average sex worker contributes way more to the country than the average Congressperson or lobbyist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this comparing of politicians and lobbyists to sex workers is offensive to sex workers. I&#8217;d say the average sex worker contributes way more to the country than the average Congressperson or lobbyist.</p>
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		<title>By: The Flash</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Flash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lobbyists are kind of like prostitutes; advocating for something you believe in is exhilirating and satisfying.  Advocating for something you pretend to believe in and getting paid for it is the prostitution equivalent.  So in this game, sex and advocacy are things that should be saved for when you really care, and these people dish one or the other out for money.

Also, people call men this word, too.  I think it just means &quot;people who pretend to be sincere in exchange for money.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lobbyists are kind of like prostitutes; advocating for something you believe in is exhilirating and satisfying.  Advocating for something you pretend to believe in and getting paid for it is the prostitution equivalent.  So in this game, sex and advocacy are things that should be saved for when you really care, and these people dish one or the other out for money.</p>
<p>Also, people call men this word, too.  I think it just means &#8220;people who pretend to be sincere in exchange for money.&#8221;</p>
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