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	<title>Comments on: Lady Gaga, I love you.</title>
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		<title>By: Chally</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/10/lady-gaga-i-love-you/#comment-286690</link>
		<dc:creator>Chally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not a problem, Ash. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chally- sorry for the delayed response. I just wanted to thank you for your response to me, it made total sense and I understand and appreciate where you are coming from, and I have checked out those other links. I am always impressed when threads are moderated as maturely and rationally as this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chally- sorry for the delayed response. I just wanted to thank you for your response to me, it made total sense and I understand and appreciate where you are coming from, and I have checked out those other links. I am always impressed when threads are moderated as maturely and rationally as this.</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologise for my last comment. I haven&#039;t got a problem with Lady Gaga so I&#039;m not sure why I lashed out at her like I did. Maybe it&#039;s because I was drunk and a bit of jealousy came out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologise for my last comment. I haven&#8217;t got a problem with Lady Gaga so I&#8217;m not sure why I lashed out at her like I did. Maybe it&#8217;s because I was drunk and a bit of jealousy came out.</p>
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		<title>By: Gayle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Single Ladies might be catchier, but it’s not winning any points in the progressive categories.&quot;

Oh, certainly not.   I can&#039;t imagine why anyone would think that song is progressive.   Have you read the lyrics--EEK!

I didn&#039;t even like it the first time I heard it, but the damn thing stuck in my brain and the next thing I knew I was humming it.  The next time I heard it, I was singing it.   Remember the you-tube of the baby dancing to it that went viral?  Even babies get addicted to it! 

Someone who knows much more about music than I would have to explain how this works but that song is like the &quot;Plop Plop, Fizz Fizz&quot; of music.   Once you&#039;ve heard Single Ladies, it&#039;s super hard to get it out of your head. 

That&#039;s the only reason I used it as an example of a &quot;catchy&quot; song.  I wasn&#039;t commenting on the quality of it lyrically or musically or politically.  I remember Jill linked to Beyonce&#039;s video a while back so I wanted to use an example of a song/video that was presented here before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Single Ladies might be catchier, but it’s not winning any points in the progressive categories.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, certainly not.   I can&#8217;t imagine why anyone would think that song is progressive.   Have you read the lyrics&#8211;EEK!</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t even like it the first time I heard it, but the damn thing stuck in my brain and the next thing I knew I was humming it.  The next time I heard it, I was singing it.   Remember the you-tube of the baby dancing to it that went viral?  Even babies get addicted to it! </p>
<p>Someone who knows much more about music than I would have to explain how this works but that song is like the &#8220;Plop Plop, Fizz Fizz&#8221; of music.   Once you&#8217;ve heard Single Ladies, it&#8217;s super hard to get it out of your head. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the only reason I used it as an example of a &#8220;catchy&#8221; song.  I wasn&#8217;t commenting on the quality of it lyrically or musically or politically.  I remember Jill linked to Beyonce&#8217;s video a while back so I wanted to use an example of a song/video that was presented here before.</p>
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		<title>By: singofthedamage</title>
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		<dc:creator>singofthedamage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had a source for the quote (though I have no reason to believe it might be false), but here is what she has to say about the pantslessness: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;My grandmother is basically blind, but she can make out the lighter parts, like my skin and hair. She says, &#039;I can see you, because you have no pants on.&#039; So I’ll continue to wear no pants so that my grandma can see me.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

It&#039;s interesting that we can all watch the same music video and take so many different (to the point of being contradictory) things from it. I have been on the fence about Lady Gaga for a long time, but this is the video that made me like her. I think the use of color throughout the video is fascinating. And the way the dancing changes throughout the video and becomes more assured until the end where they&#039;re in red and dancing strongly and fiercely for nobody but themselves is awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had a source for the quote (though I have no reason to believe it might be false), but here is what she has to say about the pantslessness: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;My grandmother is basically blind, but she can make out the lighter parts, like my skin and hair. She says, &#8216;I can see you, because you have no pants on.&#8217; So I’ll continue to wear no pants so that my grandma can see me.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that we can all watch the same music video and take so many different (to the point of being contradictory) things from it. I have been on the fence about Lady Gaga for a long time, but this is the video that made me like her. I think the use of color throughout the video is fascinating. And the way the dancing changes throughout the video and becomes more assured until the end where they&#8217;re in red and dancing strongly and fiercely for nobody but themselves is awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Seize: I don&#039;t think her support of LGBTQ rights is in response to any transphobic comments she has made in the past. She has been a longtime advocate for gay rights, as she credits the gay community with really launching her career:

&quot;The turning point for me was the gay community,&quot; she said. &quot;I&#039;ve got so many gay fans and they&#039;re so loyal to me and they really lifted me up. They&#039;ll always stand by me and I&#039;ll always stand by them. It&#039;s not an easy thing to create a fanbase. ... Being invited to play [the San Francisco Pride rally], that was a real turning point for me as an artist.&quot; 

The whole article is here: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1610781/20090506/lady_gaga.jhtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Seize: I don&#8217;t think her support of LGBTQ rights is in response to any transphobic comments she has made in the past. She has been a longtime advocate for gay rights, as she credits the gay community with really launching her career:</p>
<p>&#8220;The turning point for me was the gay community,&#8221; she said. &#8220;I&#8217;ve got so many gay fans and they&#8217;re so loyal to me and they really lifted me up. They&#8217;ll always stand by me and I&#8217;ll always stand by them. It&#8217;s not an easy thing to create a fanbase. &#8230; Being invited to play [the San Francisco Pride rally], that was a real turning point for me as an artist.&#8221; </p>
<p>The whole article is here: <a href="http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1610781/20090506/lady_gaga.jhtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1610781/20090506/lady_gaga.jhtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: FW</title>
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		<dc:creator>FW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; - The vicious Slavic angle makes the entire thing that much cooler. And the crystals she wears reminded me of Soviet-era chandeliers. -&quot; 

aren&#039;t crystals slavic themselves? the czechs are famous for them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8211; The vicious Slavic angle makes the entire thing that much cooler. And the crystals she wears reminded me of Soviet-era chandeliers. -&#8221; </p>
<p>aren&#8217;t crystals slavic themselves? the czechs are famous for them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually didn&#039;t know about Gaga&#039;s transphobic statements or ableist performances -- I did know about her gay-rights activism.  Although, for the record, I wasn&#039;t putting this video up as a statement that Lady Gaga Is A Feminist.  I was putting it up because, basically, oooh, shiny! (Which isn&#039;t to say we shouldn&#039;t discuss any history of ableism and transphobia -- this isn&#039;t an attempt to shut down discussion, just to say that it wasn&#039;t something I was aware of. I was aware that she didn&#039;t identify as a feminist, but that doesn&#039;t make me take someone off my ipod).  

As for Gaga not being attractive, I do think that as much as she&#039;s skinny and blonde, she definitely isn&#039;t conventionally attractive -- she has strong features, a big nose, etc.  And she dresses oddly -- she may not wear pants, but you don&#039;t get the feeling that she&#039;s planning her outfits because they&#039;re simply titillating. She&#039;s striking, but not traditionally pretty, and she doesn&#039;t seem to try to box herself into the sexy pop star thing.  She&#039;s definitely sexual, and I think she&#039;s smokin&#039;, but her brand is definitely more tied to aesthetic weirdness than sex appeal.  I like her in part because she seems to be acutely aware of the male gaze, and she seems to like fucking with it. I think this video is a pretty obvious example of that.

But of course, to each their own. If you hate the video, ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually didn&#8217;t know about Gaga&#8217;s transphobic statements or ableist performances &#8212; I did know about her gay-rights activism.  Although, for the record, I wasn&#8217;t putting this video up as a statement that Lady Gaga Is A Feminist.  I was putting it up because, basically, oooh, shiny! (Which isn&#8217;t to say we shouldn&#8217;t discuss any history of ableism and transphobia &#8212; this isn&#8217;t an attempt to shut down discussion, just to say that it wasn&#8217;t something I was aware of. I was aware that she didn&#8217;t identify as a feminist, but that doesn&#8217;t make me take someone off my ipod).  </p>
<p>As for Gaga not being attractive, I do think that as much as she&#8217;s skinny and blonde, she definitely isn&#8217;t conventionally attractive &#8212; she has strong features, a big nose, etc.  And she dresses oddly &#8212; she may not wear pants, but you don&#8217;t get the feeling that she&#8217;s planning her outfits because they&#8217;re simply titillating. She&#8217;s striking, but not traditionally pretty, and she doesn&#8217;t seem to try to box herself into the sexy pop star thing.  She&#8217;s definitely sexual, and I think she&#8217;s smokin&#8217;, but her brand is definitely more tied to aesthetic weirdness than sex appeal.  I like her in part because she seems to be acutely aware of the male gaze, and she seems to like fucking with it. I think this video is a pretty obvious example of that.</p>
<p>But of course, to each their own. If you hate the video, ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Seize</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The statement  &quot;I really am a lady! ...I’m not quite as outrageous as I look – underneath all this I am deeply moral and actually a really nice girl,&quot; sounds defensive and poorly-thought-out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arjanwrites.com/arjanwrites/2009/10/lady-gaga-speaks-at-gay-rights-rally-in-washington-dc.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;compared to her October 11 speech endorsing LGBQ and presumably T rights.&lt;/a&gt; Do you think that the speech was possibly a conciliatory gesture acknowledging her initial transphobic remark?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statement  &#8220;I really am a lady! &#8230;I’m not quite as outrageous as I look – underneath all this I am deeply moral and actually a really nice girl,&#8221; sounds defensive and poorly-thought-out <a href="http://www.arjanwrites.com/arjanwrites/2009/10/lady-gaga-speaks-at-gay-rights-rally-in-washington-dc.html" rel="nofollow">compared to her October 11 speech endorsing LGBQ and presumably T rights.</a> Do you think that the speech was possibly a conciliatory gesture acknowledging her initial transphobic remark?</p>
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		<title>By: technicolorsheep</title>
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		<dc:creator>technicolorsheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pray, what&#039;s that with feminists being unattractive? ;-)
Oh, and the lady&#039;s my favourite double-drag ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pray, what&#8217;s that with feminists being unattractive? ;-)<br />
Oh, and the lady&#8217;s my favourite double-drag ever.</p>
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