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	<title>Comments on: In Defense of &#8220;Douchebag&#8221;</title>
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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher D Coccio</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/16/in-defense-of-douchebag/#comment-288483</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher D Coccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever it may or may not have meant in 1967 (and I don&#039;t know if someone explicitly pointed this out in the comments), nowadays it is strictly an insult to be applied to men. Calling a woman a douchebag, for whatever reason, just doesn&#039;t make sense. &quot;Arrogant little shit&quot; is a good start - a special combination of exaggerated regard for ones own opinions and abilities, impatience with others, who by virtue of their disagreeing with you, are beneath contempt, and the lack of an internal filter which enables you to convey all this to the rest of the world, which, you believe, is grateful to hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever it may or may not have meant in 1967 (and I don&#8217;t know if someone explicitly pointed this out in the comments), nowadays it is strictly an insult to be applied to men. Calling a woman a douchebag, for whatever reason, just doesn&#8217;t make sense. &#8220;Arrogant little shit&#8221; is a good start &#8211; a special combination of exaggerated regard for ones own opinions and abilities, impatience with others, who by virtue of their disagreeing with you, are beneath contempt, and the lack of an internal filter which enables you to convey all this to the rest of the world, which, you believe, is grateful to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jbugg</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/16/in-defense-of-douchebag/#comment-287773</link>
		<dc:creator>Jbugg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for those males of us who are neither douche nozzles nor bags, I wish all could see the complete original SNL skit this is just a part of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_b3oPslctA&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=267E681D2138ED3B&amp;index=19</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for those males of us who are neither douche nozzles nor bags, I wish all could see the complete original SNL skit this is just a part of:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_b3oPslctA&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=267E681D2138ED3B&amp;index=19" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_b3oPslctA&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=267E681D2138ED3B&amp;index=19</a></p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/16/in-defense-of-douchebag/#comment-287480</link>
		<dc:creator>lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaBellaDonna: ...no. Slurs that draw on the power of &quot;retard&quot; as a pejorative are just about every kind of not ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaBellaDonna: &#8230;no. Slurs that draw on the power of &#8220;retard&#8221; as a pejorative are just about every kind of not ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Chally</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/16/in-defense-of-douchebag/#comment-287210</link>
		<dc:creator>Chally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so fun times for some of us who are disabled, La BellaDonna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so fun times for some of us who are disabled, La BellaDonna.</p>
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		<title>By: La BellaDonna</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/16/in-defense-of-douchebag/#comment-287202</link>
		<dc:creator>La BellaDonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, personally, have vented a lot of spleen with the invective &quot;F#cktard&quot;, which can best be defined as someone who is, or who engages in behaviour, that retards/impedes his/her chances of EVER getting laid again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, personally, have vented a lot of spleen with the invective &#8220;F#cktard&#8221;, which can best be defined as someone who is, or who engages in behaviour, that retards/impedes his/her chances of EVER getting laid again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/16/in-defense-of-douchebag/#comment-287183</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Acc. to the OED, the term came into popularity in ‘67, when it meant, “An unattractive coed.” So, setting aside whether the douche is a vaginal or anal one, the shift in the terms meaning from an insult used against women to an insult used against men is rooted in both misogyny and homophobia. To call a man a douche is to call a man an ugly woman.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...not really, though.  I mean, maybe that&#039;s what some people in 1967 meant, but I have NEVER heard that definition of &quot;douchebag.&quot;  And if no one understands it that way anymore, then no, to call a man a douche is not to call a man an ugly woman, anymore than calling a man a &quot;fag&quot; is calling him a pile of sticks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Acc. to the OED, the term came into popularity in ‘67, when it meant, “An unattractive coed.” So, setting aside whether the douche is a vaginal or anal one, the shift in the terms meaning from an insult used against women to an insult used against men is rooted in both misogyny and homophobia. To call a man a douche is to call a man an ugly woman.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;not really, though.  I mean, maybe that&#8217;s what some people in 1967 meant, but I have NEVER heard that definition of &#8220;douchebag.&#8221;  And if no one understands it that way anymore, then no, to call a man a douche is not to call a man an ugly woman, anymore than calling a man a &#8220;fag&#8221; is calling him a pile of sticks.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Heddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam Heddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If, as &lt;strong&gt;jemand&lt;/strong&gt; argues, the term &quot;douchebag&quot; is primarily rooted today in images of anal sex and enemas (and I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised if this was the case, as I haven&#039;t seen men using &quot;tampon&quot; as an insult against each other when that would make much more sense), then the power of the insult is in homophobia. And that&#039;s... not very feminist.

Acc. to the OED, the term came into popularity in &#039;67, when it meant, &quot;An unattractive coed.&quot; So, setting aside whether the douche is a vaginal or anal one, the shift in the terms meaning from an insult used against women to an insult used against men is rooted in both misogyny and homophobia. To call a man a douche is to call a man an ugly woman.

And given that, as Jill notes, a fairly large portion of the female population regularly douches (and thus doesn&#039;t recognize vaginas as clean and douches as damaging), and given that we live in a homophobic society in which anal sex is still largely a taboo and part of a slew of homophobic insults aimed against men, it&#039;s hard to see how the word can be used as a feminist insult rather than a feminist&#039;s insult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, as <strong>jemand</strong> argues, the term &#8220;douchebag&#8221; is primarily rooted today in images of anal sex and enemas (and I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised if this was the case, as I haven&#8217;t seen men using &#8220;tampon&#8221; as an insult against each other when that would make much more sense), then the power of the insult is in homophobia. And that&#8217;s&#8230; not very feminist.</p>
<p>Acc. to the OED, the term came into popularity in &#8216;67, when it meant, &#8220;An unattractive coed.&#8221; So, setting aside whether the douche is a vaginal or anal one, the shift in the terms meaning from an insult used against women to an insult used against men is rooted in both misogyny and homophobia. To call a man a douche is to call a man an ugly woman.</p>
<p>And given that, as Jill notes, a fairly large portion of the female population regularly douches (and thus doesn&#8217;t recognize vaginas as clean and douches as damaging), and given that we live in a homophobic society in which anal sex is still largely a taboo and part of a slew of homophobic insults aimed against men, it&#8217;s hard to see how the word can be used as a feminist insult rather than a feminist&#8217;s insult.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“I am not completely enamored of this person.” Or ‘cockstain.’ Gotta love ‘cockstain.’&lt;/blockquote&gt;

... And now I kind of want to make out with you, Norbizness. I mean, uh, &quot;I very much enjoyed your witty comment on this blog thread. I would like to show my appreciation of said witty comment in a completely non-threatening, tactful, polite manner.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“I am not completely enamored of this person.” Or ‘cockstain.’ Gotta love ‘cockstain.’</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; And now I kind of want to make out with you, Norbizness. I mean, uh, &#8220;I very much enjoyed your witty comment on this blog thread. I would like to show my appreciation of said witty comment in a completely non-threatening, tactful, polite manner.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: P.T. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.T. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ACG

I totally agree with everything you say. I&#039;ve been trying to come to a way of saying the same thing without sounding like a condescending English major. It all depends on how strong each of the multiple meanings of words are. When they are both about as prevelent in modern meaning, and one of those meanings is insulting to people &lt;i&gt; other &lt;/i&gt; than the person you mean to insult, don&#039;t use it. But when one meaning has fallen wayyy behind...</description>
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<p>I totally agree with everything you say. I&#8217;ve been trying to come to a way of saying the same thing without sounding like a condescending English major. It all depends on how strong each of the multiple meanings of words are. When they are both about as prevelent in modern meaning, and one of those meanings is insulting to people <i> other </i> than the person you mean to insult, don&#8217;t use it. But when one meaning has fallen wayyy behind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ACG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with norbizness. As much as I would hate to insult anyone with sexist/ableist/racist/heteronormative/other-ist language without thinking, I also have to wonder at what point words shed their historical meaning. In Maria P.&#039;s link, commenters point out words like &quot;scumbag&quot; and &quot;snafu&quot; (and I&#039;ll contribute &quot;jerkwad&quot;) that we use regularly without any consideration to their original definitions, and it&#039;s practically never that anyone knows why they might be objectionable.

Obviously, that point hasn&#039;t yet come for words like &quot;moron&quot; when people like Kowalski* still feel sensitive about them (or &quot;retard,&quot; which is a word that I desperately, desperately hate).  But if 90 percent of the people you might encounter associate the word &quot;douchebag&quot; with tanning-bed tans and Ed Hardy shirts and sunglasses inside and the word has almost entirely gone out of use in terms of personal-care items, is it worth it to rail against something that can also be interpreted like Jill said (and is, for me, a really satisfying insult)?


&lt;i&gt;*Kowalski, I tried to find some way to say that that didn&#039;t sound dismissive and disrespectful, and I couldn&#039;t think of one, so please know that I didn&#039;t intend for it to sound that way.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with norbizness. As much as I would hate to insult anyone with sexist/ableist/racist/heteronormative/other-ist language without thinking, I also have to wonder at what point words shed their historical meaning. In Maria P.&#8217;s link, commenters point out words like &#8220;scumbag&#8221; and &#8220;snafu&#8221; (and I&#8217;ll contribute &#8220;jerkwad&#8221;) that we use regularly without any consideration to their original definitions, and it&#8217;s practically never that anyone knows why they might be objectionable.</p>
<p>Obviously, that point hasn&#8217;t yet come for words like &#8220;moron&#8221; when people like Kowalski* still feel sensitive about them (or &#8220;retard,&#8221; which is a word that I desperately, desperately hate).  But if 90 percent of the people you might encounter associate the word &#8220;douchebag&#8221; with tanning-bed tans and Ed Hardy shirts and sunglasses inside and the word has almost entirely gone out of use in terms of personal-care items, is it worth it to rail against something that can also be interpreted like Jill said (and is, for me, a really satisfying insult)?</p>
<p><i>*Kowalski, I tried to find some way to say that that didn&#8217;t sound dismissive and disrespectful, and I couldn&#8217;t think of one, so please know that I didn&#8217;t intend for it to sound that way.</i></p>
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