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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cjada You know the author of Khaos is trans himself, right? Not that you can&#039;t have problems with it still, but he&#039;s not coming from a place of ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cjada You know the author of Khaos is trans himself, right? Not that you can&#8217;t have problems with it still, but he&#8217;s not coming from a place of ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Cdaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cdaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Yu+Me Dream and Lesbian Pirates are two of my all-time favorites! I&#039;m in so much love with Megan&#039;s ever-changing art style for Yu+Me. I&#039;m also a hopeless romantic at times and love Red String.

However, while I read Khaos Komic regularly, I&#039;ve got a few problems with it. The magical racism-free world that Katie mentioned is definitely part of it. It&#039;s all very happy/angsty high school drama, despite the characters apparently being college-age... I&#039;m also not super-pleased with the portrayal of the transgender characters. Oh, she&#039;s male-to-female? She&#039;s naturally short and cute and has no problems passing. Same goes for the female-to-male who&#039;s freakishly tall for a biological female. Venus Envy, a trans comic, handles trans issues much better, IMO. I enjoy the comic, I do. It has lovely art, among other things. But I wish it wasn&#039;t so fairy tale, everything goes swimmingly for everyone all the time.

A number of the other comics you mentioned sound wonderful, though! I&#039;ll have to add them to my rotation. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Yu+Me Dream and Lesbian Pirates are two of my all-time favorites! I&#8217;m in so much love with Megan&#8217;s ever-changing art style for Yu+Me. I&#8217;m also a hopeless romantic at times and love Red String.</p>
<p>However, while I read Khaos Komic regularly, I&#8217;ve got a few problems with it. The magical racism-free world that Katie mentioned is definitely part of it. It&#8217;s all very happy/angsty high school drama, despite the characters apparently being college-age&#8230; I&#8217;m also not super-pleased with the portrayal of the transgender characters. Oh, she&#8217;s male-to-female? She&#8217;s naturally short and cute and has no problems passing. Same goes for the female-to-male who&#8217;s freakishly tall for a biological female. Venus Envy, a trans comic, handles trans issues much better, IMO. I enjoy the comic, I do. It has lovely art, among other things. But I wish it wasn&#8217;t so fairy tale, everything goes swimmingly for everyone all the time.</p>
<p>A number of the other comics you mentioned sound wonderful, though! I&#8217;ll have to add them to my rotation. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Jay@racialicious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay@racialicious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, about xkcd...

One of his best narratives isn&#039;t an actual comic, it was an observation in his blog about the number of movies with women getting the top billing or top 2 billing spots.  It was ridiculous to see the number of people going into that thread and trying to excuse the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, about xkcd&#8230;</p>
<p>One of his best narratives isn&#8217;t an actual comic, it was an observation in his blog about the number of movies with women getting the top billing or top 2 billing spots.  It was ridiculous to see the number of people going into that thread and trying to excuse the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is pretty amazing.  I think because Munroe alternates between deep and frivolous, and makes copious use of the unreliable narrator (except when he doesn&#039;t!), it&#039;s sometimes hard for people to agree on exactly the message he&#039;s sending.

That doesn&#039;t mean that criticism isn&#039;t valid when it looks like he&#039;s sending a bad or harmful message (or more often, through carelessness in how he sets up his punch lines, leaving a harmful message as a reasonable interpretation of the comic).

One of the most infamous XKCD strips in feminist discourse seems to be &lt;a href=&quot;http://xkcd.com/415/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; because it references the sexist notions of men-as-victims-in-divorce and crazy-scorned-women.  But I always saw it as an absurdist riff on the &lt;i&gt;idea&lt;/i&gt; of a restraining order, coupled with a smart woman zinging a guy who obviously treated her badly.  While I haven&#039;t necessarily changed my interpretation, reading the criticism has made me aware of how things like this &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; subtly reinforce negative narratives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pretty amazing.  I think because Munroe alternates between deep and frivolous, and makes copious use of the unreliable narrator (except when he doesn&#8217;t!), it&#8217;s sometimes hard for people to agree on exactly the message he&#8217;s sending.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean that criticism isn&#8217;t valid when it looks like he&#8217;s sending a bad or harmful message (or more often, through carelessness in how he sets up his punch lines, leaving a harmful message as a reasonable interpretation of the comic).</p>
<p>One of the most infamous XKCD strips in feminist discourse seems to be <a href="http://xkcd.com/415/" rel="nofollow">this one</a> because it references the sexist notions of men-as-victims-in-divorce and crazy-scorned-women.  But I always saw it as an absurdist riff on the <i>idea</i> of a restraining order, coupled with a smart woman zinging a guy who obviously treated her badly.  While I haven&#8217;t necessarily changed my interpretation, reading the criticism has made me aware of how things like this <i>can</i> subtly reinforce negative narratives.</p>
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		<title>By: Chally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That wasn&#039;t my point, actually! The point was that I read it as Randall objecting to women&#039;s suspicion of strangers, ha ha you&#039;re gonna end up alone because you&#039;re not treating, yes, a nice guy, nicely. Also, there&#039;s a bunch on this comic through one of lauredhel&#039;s links.

Definitely a lot of xkcd is open to different interpretations. I&#039;ve seen that thread before, amazing, isn&#039;t it?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That wasn&#8217;t my point, actually! The point was that I read it as Randall objecting to women&#8217;s suspicion of strangers, ha ha you&#8217;re gonna end up alone because you&#8217;re not treating, yes, a nice guy, nicely. Also, there&#8217;s a bunch on this comic through one of lauredhel&#8217;s links.</p>
<p>Definitely a lot of xkcd is open to different interpretations. I&#8217;ve seen that thread before, amazing, isn&#8217;t it?!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chally (re &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.xkcd.com/642/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;XKCD 642&lt;/a&gt;): 

The idiot boy is too intimidated by the girl/scared of rejection to strike up a conversation, even if she might be interested in him.

I think the question becomes whether he is &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; criticizing the girl for not shirking traditional gender roles and actually initiating conversation - if he is, good for him, if not, you&#039;ve got a point.  I think it can be taken either way (the alt-text is equally ambiguous, though I think it does make what the girl is doing seem sillier).  This isn&#039;t one of his better strips - even on this particular topic - but I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s so cut-and-dried.

A lot of what one gets out of this one depends on what one thinks going in.  But that&#039;s even true when Munroe is being painfully obvious about his point.  You wouldn&#039;t believe how many men in his forum identified with the &lt;i&gt;guy&lt;/i&gt; in &lt;a href=&quot;http://xkcd.com/513/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Friends&lt;/a&gt;, even after having it explained to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chally (re <a href="http://www.xkcd.com/642/" rel="nofollow">XKCD 642</a>): </p>
<p>The idiot boy is too intimidated by the girl/scared of rejection to strike up a conversation, even if she might be interested in him.</p>
<p>I think the question becomes whether he is <i>also</i> criticizing the girl for not shirking traditional gender roles and actually initiating conversation &#8211; if he is, good for him, if not, you&#8217;ve got a point.  I think it can be taken either way (the alt-text is equally ambiguous, though I think it does make what the girl is doing seem sillier).  This isn&#8217;t one of his better strips &#8211; even on this particular topic &#8211; but I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s so cut-and-dried.</p>
<p>A lot of what one gets out of this one depends on what one thinks going in.  But that&#8217;s even true when Munroe is being painfully obvious about his point.  You wouldn&#8217;t believe how many men in his forum identified with the <i>guy</i> in <a href="http://xkcd.com/513/" rel="nofollow">Friends</a>, even after having it explained to them.</p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Not sure how XKCD doesn’t qualify as feminist&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, the restraining-order &quot;joke&quot; is the one that tore it for me.

You might be interested in &lt;a href=&quot;http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/09/comic-fail.html#comment-17749334&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this in-comments conversation at Shakesville about xkcd, woman-identified characters, and the Bechdel test&lt;/a&gt;; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=816252#p816252&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this forum post by Quixotess analysing the content&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Not sure how XKCD doesn’t qualify as feminist&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, the restraining-order &#8220;joke&#8221; is the one that tore it for me.</p>
<p>You might be interested in <a href="http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/09/comic-fail.html#comment-17749334" rel="nofollow">this in-comments conversation at Shakesville about xkcd, woman-identified characters, and the Bechdel test</a>; and <a href="http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=816252#p816252" rel="nofollow">this forum post by Quixotess analysing the content</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: JessSnark</title>
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		<dc:creator>JessSnark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks Dave. I&#039;ll look at some of the more recent stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Dave. I&#8217;ll look at some of the more recent stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Chally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave: A lot of people have found xkcd to be a mixed bag. Someone just pointed out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.xkcd.com/642/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comic&lt;/a&gt; to me, for instance. But on the other hand the math one is pretty classic and useful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave: A lot of people have found xkcd to be a mixed bag. Someone just pointed out <a href="http://www.xkcd.com/642/" rel="nofollow">this comic</a> to me, for instance. But on the other hand the math one is pretty classic and useful!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Questionable Content changes a lot from the first few strips.  But it remains a soap opera mostly about relationships and sex, written by a man who doesn&#039;t care if he offends anyone.  Probably, it scores points here for having complex, self-sufficient female characters (eventually - I promise!), some of whom are not straight.  Also, because it goes out of its way to poke fun at the characters who are chauvanists.

All I can say is, read through a few of the more recent storylines.  If you don&#039;t like the content or the humor, you&#039;re just not going to enjoy the comic.  For me, it&#039;s a guilty pleasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Questionable Content changes a lot from the first few strips.  But it remains a soap opera mostly about relationships and sex, written by a man who doesn&#8217;t care if he offends anyone.  Probably, it scores points here for having complex, self-sufficient female characters (eventually &#8211; I promise!), some of whom are not straight.  Also, because it goes out of its way to poke fun at the characters who are chauvanists.</p>
<p>All I can say is, read through a few of the more recent storylines.  If you don&#8217;t like the content or the humor, you&#8217;re just not going to enjoy the comic.  For me, it&#8217;s a guilty pleasure.</p>
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