Okay, but can we all at least agree that, universally, not having a head is definitely going to make you less beautiful? ;-)

But when it comes to men, which head are we talking about? ;)

(OK, I’ll stop)

We have, in fact, become much more laid back

We have?!?!

You can’t speak about ” flesh and blood vessels” and ignore the flesh and blood realities of what one’s fun, sexay, to be defended vigorously judgments do to people.

I couldn’t ignore the realities if I tried – considering the fact that I also live them. But I blame that on the fact that I don’t think society, American society in particular, is at all laid back. I think that’s a facade. It’s kind of like, if you look at the covers of American magazines, you might think that the United States is pretty liberal when it comes to sex… when it isn’t that liberal at all, actually.

But oh! so! fun! (eyeroll) Until the heads came off that is.

Natalia said Right now, the impact of judgment on women is pretty disastrous, for example. But I think that if people we’re a little bit more laid back and a whole lot less sexist, it wouldn’t be nearly as much of a problem.

We are very far away from this. I think especially young people feel that their sexual attractiveness is quite literally a survival skill, which is of course utter bullshit (gives the finger to ev psych people on general principle) but feels real. You can’t speak about ” flesh and blood vessels” and ignore the flesh and blood realities of what one’s fun, sexay, to be defended vigorously judgments do to people. We have, in fact, become much more laid back and body judgment has become worse. Time for a different solution.

Objectification, however, is when I expect another human being to actually *be* my desire/repulsion (and especially that immature part where I get nasty when the other human being remains the human being they always were and not just the desire/repulsion mantra I wish they would be).

As far as feminism and judgment goes, I still think it’s early days for feminism and that many women do not know how to adequately judge the risks and benefits of heterosexuality (as practiced in a patriarchy/rape culture). I personally think it is less of a slippery slope for women to apply outdated/improper standards of objectification than it is for women to fumble through a compulsory heterosexuality that starts at the premise that women = the sexual desires of men.

What i find attractive is probably influenced by movies, magazines, comics… If i talk about it, do i perpetuate existing beauty standards?

Maybe, but so do moviegoers, magazine readers, comic fans…

I love you.

Signed,

Sady.