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	<title>Comments on: Shocker: &#8220;The Biggest Loser&#8221; promotes unhealthy weight loss practices</title>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Meh, the show is not that outrageous if one has ever played football (some people are pukers), cut weight for wrestling or gone to boot camp/officer candidate school.&lt;/i&gt;

Regardless of the setting, working yourself into dehyration, pissing blood and puking &lt;i&gt;is not healthy&lt;/i&gt;.  Football and wrestling coaches look the other way when their players do dangerous things to lose weight or just to make the team, and quite often, these athletes die as a result.  The military at least has the excuse that soldiers will face harsh conditions for which they must be fit (and, since they own your ass in the military, they will take some precautions to protect their investment); football, wrestling and The Biggest Loser are all just for our amusement.

Oh, and the messenger at Marathon?  Died after delivering his message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Meh, the show is not that outrageous if one has ever played football (some people are pukers), cut weight for wrestling or gone to boot camp/officer candidate school.</i></p>
<p>Regardless of the setting, working yourself into dehyration, pissing blood and puking <i>is not healthy</i>.  Football and wrestling coaches look the other way when their players do dangerous things to lose weight or just to make the team, and quite often, these athletes die as a result.  The military at least has the excuse that soldiers will face harsh conditions for which they must be fit (and, since they own your ass in the military, they will take some precautions to protect their investment); football, wrestling and The Biggest Loser are all just for our amusement.</p>
<p>Oh, and the messenger at Marathon?  Died after delivering his message.</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
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		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The trainers actually work with the contestants to help them figure out why they are overweight. The ones that keep it off are the ones that figure out their underlying issues.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This statement is problematic because it implies that being fat is a symptom of an underlying problem. Some people are healthy, whole, active  - and also fat. Humans naturally and healthfully come in all shapes and sizes. To imply that being &quot;of size&quot; is an outward sign of being psycholigcally broken is insulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The trainers actually work with the contestants to help them figure out why they are overweight. The ones that keep it off are the ones that figure out their underlying issues.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This statement is problematic because it implies that being fat is a symptom of an underlying problem. Some people are healthy, whole, active  &#8211; and also fat. Humans naturally and healthfully come in all shapes and sizes. To imply that being &#8220;of size&#8221; is an outward sign of being psycholigcally broken is insulting.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit that I have been watching and enjoying the show this season, as do a lot of people I know. The criticisms of the show are well-taken but I am not sure it is fair to demonize &quot;The Biggest Loser.&quot;  

Watching it, I have wondered about the high number of pounds the contestants lose each week.  The conventional medical wisdom (which I accept) is that it is not healthy to lose more than one or two pounds a week; yet the contests generally lose between five and fifteen pounds a week.  I had assumed (perhaps incorrectly?) that the medical rules are different for people who are as heavy as the contestants on the show and who are under medical supervision.  But I was disturbed that there is not an adequate disclaimer advising viewers to take weight loss  more slowly at home.  

I was also disturbed that that this season began with a one mile race.  As a runner, I know that it is not a good idea to have people who are not used to exercising run that far without training for it.  That is a distance you work up to gradually over time  -- and to make it a race was just asking for trouble.  It wasn&#039;t exactly a shocker to me when a contestant collapsed.  But I note that the consulting doctor admitted in the New York Times story that the race was a mistake.

On the other hand, I am not sure it is fair to blame the show for unhealthy practices like contestants dehydrating themselves.  The Times story claims that the show tests and disqualifies contestants who show signs of dehydration or the use of diuretics.  Moreover, having been involved in competitive sports much of my life, I know competitors often go to extremes to lose weight even when such is strongly discouraged by coaches.  

Of course, this begs the question of whether, weight loss should ever be considered be made into a competition, especially on national television, where the pressure must seem enormous.  I think this is a judgment call and may depend on the individuals involved.  For many, the element of competition may be an important motivating factor.  But the element of competition may drive others off the deep end.  

I strongly disagree with the contention that the show presents weight as a moral issue with the contestants as moral failures.  I think a really strong aspect of the show is that it presents the contestants&#039; starting weight in context and also very much humanizes the contestants.  The show repeatedly points out that the contestants gained their weight in a world where we are constantly surrounded by huge portions of unhealthy foods, starting as early as the school cafeteria.  It is also made clear that individual factors leading to weight gain have nothing to do with lack of virtue.  Rather, it is often a response to stressors -- like being everyone&#039;s caretaker, experiencing personal tragedy or a dysfunctional upbringing, or dealing with a very demanding schedule. Peer pressure and family pressure also play a role. I actually think the show does a good job of fully humanizing the contestants and establishing that obesity is not a product of laziness and lack of willpower.  It also shows contestants coming up with solutions to their obstacles -- like incorporating one children&#039;s into one&#039;s exercise routine so as to juggle demands of both parenthood and healthy living.  

Viewers enjoy the show because we all struggle with how hard it can be to eat healthfully and exercise regularly.  We see ourselves in the contestants and find some inspiration in their successes.  I don&#039;t think there is any vibe of, &quot;Ha ha, look at the fat people.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit that I have been watching and enjoying the show this season, as do a lot of people I know. The criticisms of the show are well-taken but I am not sure it is fair to demonize &#8220;The Biggest Loser.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Watching it, I have wondered about the high number of pounds the contestants lose each week.  The conventional medical wisdom (which I accept) is that it is not healthy to lose more than one or two pounds a week; yet the contests generally lose between five and fifteen pounds a week.  I had assumed (perhaps incorrectly?) that the medical rules are different for people who are as heavy as the contestants on the show and who are under medical supervision.  But I was disturbed that there is not an adequate disclaimer advising viewers to take weight loss  more slowly at home.  </p>
<p>I was also disturbed that that this season began with a one mile race.  As a runner, I know that it is not a good idea to have people who are not used to exercising run that far without training for it.  That is a distance you work up to gradually over time  &#8212; and to make it a race was just asking for trouble.  It wasn&#8217;t exactly a shocker to me when a contestant collapsed.  But I note that the consulting doctor admitted in the New York Times story that the race was a mistake.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I am not sure it is fair to blame the show for unhealthy practices like contestants dehydrating themselves.  The Times story claims that the show tests and disqualifies contestants who show signs of dehydration or the use of diuretics.  Moreover, having been involved in competitive sports much of my life, I know competitors often go to extremes to lose weight even when such is strongly discouraged by coaches.  </p>
<p>Of course, this begs the question of whether, weight loss should ever be considered be made into a competition, especially on national television, where the pressure must seem enormous.  I think this is a judgment call and may depend on the individuals involved.  For many, the element of competition may be an important motivating factor.  But the element of competition may drive others off the deep end.  </p>
<p>I strongly disagree with the contention that the show presents weight as a moral issue with the contestants as moral failures.  I think a really strong aspect of the show is that it presents the contestants&#8217; starting weight in context and also very much humanizes the contestants.  The show repeatedly points out that the contestants gained their weight in a world where we are constantly surrounded by huge portions of unhealthy foods, starting as early as the school cafeteria.  It is also made clear that individual factors leading to weight gain have nothing to do with lack of virtue.  Rather, it is often a response to stressors &#8212; like being everyone&#8217;s caretaker, experiencing personal tragedy or a dysfunctional upbringing, or dealing with a very demanding schedule. Peer pressure and family pressure also play a role. I actually think the show does a good job of fully humanizing the contestants and establishing that obesity is not a product of laziness and lack of willpower.  It also shows contestants coming up with solutions to their obstacles &#8212; like incorporating one children&#8217;s into one&#8217;s exercise routine so as to juggle demands of both parenthood and healthy living.  </p>
<p>Viewers enjoy the show because we all struggle with how hard it can be to eat healthfully and exercise regularly.  We see ourselves in the contestants and find some inspiration in their successes.  I don&#8217;t think there is any vibe of, &#8220;Ha ha, look at the fat people.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Meh, the show is not that outrageous if one has ever played football (some people are pukers), cut weight for wrestling or gone to boot camp/officer candidate school.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I find it shocking. Yeah, people puking is a non-issue to me but I have dieted extremely and saunaed down to fight weight (kickboxing) but at the end of the day people doing that are already slim and extremely fit.

That is a different beast altogether from people who are obese, may be completely sedentary, and certainly are not in a good condition to be dehydrating themselves down - for what reason? The point of the show is to get slimmer, losing water-weight gets you points but ultimately is counterproductive for losing fat long-term.

Oh and I&#039;ve never known any fighters or bodybuilders who &lt;i&gt;pissed blood&lt;/i&gt; due to getting cut. I mean seriously? 

And I really hope the &quot;up to 6 hours a day&quot; is not every day, because that would just be stupid. Rest is as important as exercise for muscle growth and fat loss, if they&#039;re training that much every day it&#039;s entirely counterproductive.

Yup, it&#039;s a disgusting farce so people like the awful trainer referenced above can laugh at fat people and feel superior. Sure, it makes money, but I don&#039;t have to like it - and if it has to exist, they could make it slightly more realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Meh, the show is not that outrageous if one has ever played football (some people are pukers), cut weight for wrestling or gone to boot camp/officer candidate school.</p></blockquote>
<p>I find it shocking. Yeah, people puking is a non-issue to me but I have dieted extremely and saunaed down to fight weight (kickboxing) but at the end of the day people doing that are already slim and extremely fit.</p>
<p>That is a different beast altogether from people who are obese, may be completely sedentary, and certainly are not in a good condition to be dehydrating themselves down &#8211; for what reason? The point of the show is to get slimmer, losing water-weight gets you points but ultimately is counterproductive for losing fat long-term.</p>
<p>Oh and I&#8217;ve never known any fighters or bodybuilders who <i>pissed blood</i> due to getting cut. I mean seriously? </p>
<p>And I really hope the &#8220;up to 6 hours a day&#8221; is not every day, because that would just be stupid. Rest is as important as exercise for muscle growth and fat loss, if they&#8217;re training that much every day it&#8217;s entirely counterproductive.</p>
<p>Yup, it&#8217;s a disgusting farce so people like the awful trainer referenced above can laugh at fat people and feel superior. Sure, it makes money, but I don&#8217;t have to like it &#8211; and if it has to exist, they could make it slightly more realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the host of the Aussie Biggest Loser on Good News Week, which is an Australian current events/comedy show. At one point, she started mocking the way the contestants start looking at the end of the series, describing their skin as &quot;like melting candle wax&quot; after large amounts of fat loss. She said this with a laugh and with humorous gestures. I was absolutely disgusted with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the host of the Aussie Biggest Loser on Good News Week, which is an Australian current events/comedy show. At one point, she started mocking the way the contestants start looking at the end of the series, describing their skin as &#8220;like melting candle wax&#8221; after large amounts of fat loss. She said this with a laugh and with humorous gestures. I was absolutely disgusted with her.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you don&#039;t think less of me but I have to admit I do watch this show and I agree with almost everything that was said here. It is so unrealistic and extremely dangerous but I still love it. 

The one thing I disagree with here is that I don&#039;t believe the Biggest Loser portrays fat people as moral failures or suggests that people are fat simply because they are lazy. The trainers actually work with the contestants to help them figure out why they are overweight. The ones that keep it off are the ones that figure out their underlying issues.  

I definitely have a love/hate relationship with the show. I wrote a post about it here: http://finallyfiguringitout.blogspot.com/2009/09/biggest-loser-season-8.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you don&#8217;t think less of me but I have to admit I do watch this show and I agree with almost everything that was said here. It is so unrealistic and extremely dangerous but I still love it. </p>
<p>The one thing I disagree with here is that I don&#8217;t believe the Biggest Loser portrays fat people as moral failures or suggests that people are fat simply because they are lazy. The trainers actually work with the contestants to help them figure out why they are overweight. The ones that keep it off are the ones that figure out their underlying issues.  </p>
<p>I definitely have a love/hate relationship with the show. I wrote a post about it here: <a href="http://finallyfiguringitout.blogspot.com/2009/09/biggest-loser-season-8.html" rel="nofollow">http://finallyfiguringitout.blogspot.com/2009/09/biggest-loser-season-8.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bitter Scribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitter Scribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reality TV in general seems to be a genre where rules get tossed out the window, and participants can be abused seemingly at will. Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/business/media/02reality.html?_r=2&amp;scp=2&amp;sq=edward+wyatt&amp;st=nyt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this NY Times article&lt;/a&gt; for a good overview. These kids (and they&#039;re mostly kids) are isolated, deprived of food and sleep, and plied with liquor, to make them more volative and combative. Creepy and exploitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality TV in general seems to be a genre where rules get tossed out the window, and participants can be abused seemingly at will. Check out <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/business/media/02reality.html?_r=2&amp;scp=2&amp;sq=edward+wyatt&amp;st=nyt" rel="nofollow">this NY Times article</a> for a good overview. These kids (and they&#8217;re mostly kids) are isolated, deprived of food and sleep, and plied with liquor, to make them more volative and combative. Creepy and exploitive.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I despise that show thoroughly. Someone, I don’t remember who, pointed out that if they were ACTUALLY interested in improving the health of the people involved, they wouldn’t eliminate anyone.&lt;/i&gt;
And this is why I refuse to watch that show.  This show did not come about because someone thought it would be inspirational. (And anyone who does find it inspirational is not their target audience, they are people who found the inspiration on their own from the show.)  It came about because reality tv is what is making the big bucks these days and the makers of the show were only looking for a topic that would get them ratings.  Like those cooking, modelling, or singer shows the makers don&#039;t care about who wins its all about the money and attention they get from the show itself.  (Kinda like people who make a fortune selling books and kits on how to make a fortune.)

Weight is a serious issue these days (especially with all this talk of health care) and makers of the show know that and saw a chance to profit from it.  I get enough flack about being fat that I don&#039;t have to voluntarily tune in to watch fat men worked to unhealthey extremes for entertainment.

Sadly I think Tonya is right its going to take someone dying on that show to put that show under a serious microscope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I despise that show thoroughly. Someone, I don’t remember who, pointed out that if they were ACTUALLY interested in improving the health of the people involved, they wouldn’t eliminate anyone.</i><br />
And this is why I refuse to watch that show.  This show did not come about because someone thought it would be inspirational. (And anyone who does find it inspirational is not their target audience, they are people who found the inspiration on their own from the show.)  It came about because reality tv is what is making the big bucks these days and the makers of the show were only looking for a topic that would get them ratings.  Like those cooking, modelling, or singer shows the makers don&#8217;t care about who wins its all about the money and attention they get from the show itself.  (Kinda like people who make a fortune selling books and kits on how to make a fortune.)</p>
<p>Weight is a serious issue these days (especially with all this talk of health care) and makers of the show know that and saw a chance to profit from it.  I get enough flack about being fat that I don&#8217;t have to voluntarily tune in to watch fat men worked to unhealthey extremes for entertainment.</p>
<p>Sadly I think Tonya is right its going to take someone dying on that show to put that show under a serious microscope.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly (the artist formerly known as Alexis)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly (the artist formerly known as Alexis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you are pissing blood, something is wrong.  That&#039;s not &quot;oh, these people can&#039;t tough it out, no pain, no gain.&quot;  That&#039;s &quot;holy shit, these people need medical attention and  how the fuck did anyone think this was okay.&quot;  Yes, some people are &quot;pukers,&quot; but I&#039;m pretty sure that any high school football coach that would work out their team to the point of pissing blood would be fired, at least where I live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you are pissing blood, something is wrong.  That&#8217;s not &#8220;oh, these people can&#8217;t tough it out, no pain, no gain.&#8221;  That&#8217;s &#8220;holy shit, these people need medical attention and  how the fuck did anyone think this was okay.&#8221;  Yes, some people are &#8220;pukers,&#8221; but I&#8217;m pretty sure that any high school football coach that would work out their team to the point of pissing blood would be fired, at least where I live.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Doggett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Doggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Biggest Loser&quot; is a bizarrely post-modern show. It&#039;s weight-loss as a &lt;i&gt;spectator sport&lt;/i&gt;! That alone makes my mind boggle. 

The most transparent falsehood of the series is the notion that the contestants have &quot;failed&quot; before this to be healthy. If you had a six-week vacation with access to personal trainers and quite literally had nothing else to do but exercise, yes, you too would lose weight. But that&#039;s not a realistic standard, and everyone knows it. Like most &#039;reality&#039; television, it is utterly &lt;b&gt;unreal&lt;/b&gt; and unrealistic. It&#039;s heavily edited with clear narratives established through selective editing, and while the contestants aren&#039;t professional actors, they are aware of the cameras, give interviews, and &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; acting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Biggest Loser&#8221; is a bizarrely post-modern show. It&#8217;s weight-loss as a <i>spectator sport</i>! That alone makes my mind boggle. </p>
<p>The most transparent falsehood of the series is the notion that the contestants have &#8220;failed&#8221; before this to be healthy. If you had a six-week vacation with access to personal trainers and quite literally had nothing else to do but exercise, yes, you too would lose weight. But that&#8217;s not a realistic standard, and everyone knows it. Like most &#8216;reality&#8217; television, it is utterly <b>unreal</b> and unrealistic. It&#8217;s heavily edited with clear narratives established through selective editing, and while the contestants aren&#8217;t professional actors, they are aware of the cameras, give interviews, and <b>are</b> acting.</p>
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