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	<description>In defense of the sanctimonious women&#039;s studies set.</description>
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		<title>By: Tyrone Borelli</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/30/conservative-exceptionalism/#comment-288614</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyrone Borelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What seems to be missing from this conversation is how conservatives/Republicans have no quarrel with welfare when that welfare is targeted at the rich. There is a fascinating little book published by Odonian Press titled &quot;Take the Rich off Welfare.&quot; Most conservatives/Republicans I have talked too about welfare for the rich either don&#039;t believe it or come up with the most wonderfully twisted logic why the rich deserve government handouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What seems to be missing from this conversation is how conservatives/Republicans have no quarrel with welfare when that welfare is targeted at the rich. There is a fascinating little book published by Odonian Press titled &#8220;Take the Rich off Welfare.&#8221; Most conservatives/Republicans I have talked too about welfare for the rich either don&#8217;t believe it or come up with the most wonderfully twisted logic why the rich deserve government handouts.</p>
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		<title>By: thetroubleis</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/30/conservative-exceptionalism/#comment-288501</link>
		<dc:creator>thetroubleis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we please kill the &quot;if you just work hard enough&quot; trope, forever?

On rereading this article, I&#039;m even more annoyed by how they are trying to contrast this guy with the &quot;undeserving&quot; poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we please kill the &#8220;if you just work hard enough&#8221; trope, forever?</p>
<p>On rereading this article, I&#8217;m even more annoyed by how they are trying to contrast this guy with the &#8220;undeserving&#8221; poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Alara Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/30/conservative-exceptionalism/#comment-288464</link>
		<dc:creator>Alara Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The food stamp system (in my state at least) is flawed in that it doesn’t allow for a full time homemaker/ child care option to qualify as employment. I was on food stamps 3 years ago, and during the application process I was told that I had to check ‘unemployed’ as my occupation. This also meant that before receiving any food stamps, I had to go to the social services building and take a test assessing my reading and math abilities so they could determine what kind of job I should and could have. Of course, the real reason I didn’t have a “real” job was that I was caring for children and running a household, not because my lazy behind was sitting around squandering my “grade 12 +” reading and math abilities.&lt;/i&gt;

And yet they don&#039;t want to subsidize day care, either.

If you dig just a little bit into any conservative rhetoric surrounding home and children and women&#039;s roles, you&#039;ll find a profound desire to enslave women. Their actual, stated objection to subsidizing child care is that it will destabilize American marriages. Yes, subsidizing child care will allow women with small children to go out and get their own jobs, and we can&#039;t *have* that because then they wouldn&#039;t be totally economically dependent on the father of the kids! And if they&#039;re not totally economically dependent on a man, how can you expect them to want to have anything to do with one? It&#039;s not as if women are capable of actually *loving* men; after all, men are cads who only want one thing from women, and women are gold-digging bitches who only give men sex because they want the men&#039;s money. How dare anyone attempt to prevent men from being able to economically dominate women? HOW WILL MEN EVER GET LAID, THEN?

Sometimes I feel so, so sorry for conservatives. Imagine living in a world where men and women are constantly at war, where men dominating women is a *good* thing and necessary because neither men nor women can possibly actually love the other and so if men couldn&#039;t completely control women the human race would die out. They must have such miserably unhappy marriages.

Then I remember that they&#039;re trying to impose the roles and beliefs that cause those miserably unhappy marriages on the rest of us, and then I don&#039;t feel sorry for them anymore.

I cannot comprehend how anyone could have thought it was a good idea to force women on welfare into &quot;workfare&quot; without taking the money that was theoretically saved and investing it into expanding child care. Did it never occur to *anyone* that the reason many of these women already didn&#039;t have jobs was that they had small children at home? (Oh, but I forgot, welfare is an incentive to have more kids because you get more money per child! Never mind that children cost more money than welfare ever provided.) This is why 50% of Congress needs to be female, and of that 50%, 30% at least should be mothers (i&#039;ve got nothing against the childfree, but they often have the same blind spot about children that most men with or without children do, because for them as with most men, children are invariably primarily Someone Else&#039;s Problem. I&#039;d also like to require that the majority of men in Congress have working wives, so that they don&#039;t fall into the &quot;someone is at home to do all this stuff&quot; trap as well, but how could we possibly enforce that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The food stamp system (in my state at least) is flawed in that it doesn’t allow for a full time homemaker/ child care option to qualify as employment. I was on food stamps 3 years ago, and during the application process I was told that I had to check ‘unemployed’ as my occupation. This also meant that before receiving any food stamps, I had to go to the social services building and take a test assessing my reading and math abilities so they could determine what kind of job I should and could have. Of course, the real reason I didn’t have a “real” job was that I was caring for children and running a household, not because my lazy behind was sitting around squandering my “grade 12 +” reading and math abilities.</i></p>
<p>And yet they don&#8217;t want to subsidize day care, either.</p>
<p>If you dig just a little bit into any conservative rhetoric surrounding home and children and women&#8217;s roles, you&#8217;ll find a profound desire to enslave women. Their actual, stated objection to subsidizing child care is that it will destabilize American marriages. Yes, subsidizing child care will allow women with small children to go out and get their own jobs, and we can&#8217;t *have* that because then they wouldn&#8217;t be totally economically dependent on the father of the kids! And if they&#8217;re not totally economically dependent on a man, how can you expect them to want to have anything to do with one? It&#8217;s not as if women are capable of actually *loving* men; after all, men are cads who only want one thing from women, and women are gold-digging bitches who only give men sex because they want the men&#8217;s money. How dare anyone attempt to prevent men from being able to economically dominate women? HOW WILL MEN EVER GET LAID, THEN?</p>
<p>Sometimes I feel so, so sorry for conservatives. Imagine living in a world where men and women are constantly at war, where men dominating women is a *good* thing and necessary because neither men nor women can possibly actually love the other and so if men couldn&#8217;t completely control women the human race would die out. They must have such miserably unhappy marriages.</p>
<p>Then I remember that they&#8217;re trying to impose the roles and beliefs that cause those miserably unhappy marriages on the rest of us, and then I don&#8217;t feel sorry for them anymore.</p>
<p>I cannot comprehend how anyone could have thought it was a good idea to force women on welfare into &#8220;workfare&#8221; without taking the money that was theoretically saved and investing it into expanding child care. Did it never occur to *anyone* that the reason many of these women already didn&#8217;t have jobs was that they had small children at home? (Oh, but I forgot, welfare is an incentive to have more kids because you get more money per child! Never mind that children cost more money than welfare ever provided.) This is why 50% of Congress needs to be female, and of that 50%, 30% at least should be mothers (i&#8217;ve got nothing against the childfree, but they often have the same blind spot about children that most men with or without children do, because for them as with most men, children are invariably primarily Someone Else&#8217;s Problem. I&#8217;d also like to require that the majority of men in Congress have working wives, so that they don&#8217;t fall into the &#8220;someone is at home to do all this stuff&#8221; trap as well, but how could we possibly enforce that?)</p>
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		<title>By: Seemingly Jobless</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/30/conservative-exceptionalism/#comment-288450</link>
		<dc:creator>Seemingly Jobless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The food stamp system (in my state at least) is flawed in that it doesn&#039;t allow for a full time homemaker/ child care option to qualify as employment. I was on food stamps 3 years ago, and during the application process I was told that I had to check &#039;unemployed&#039; as my occupation. This also meant that before receiving any food stamps, I had to go to the social services building and take a test assessing my reading and math abilities so they could determine what kind of job I should and could have. Of course, the real reason I didn&#039;t have a &quot;real&quot; job was that I was caring for children and running a household, not because my lazy behind was sitting around squandering my &quot;grade 12 +&quot; reading and math abilities.

Well, I got my food stamps, but what I wonder is how &quot;unemployed&quot; people like me factor into the statistics for how many unemployed receive food stamps and/or any welfare benefits. It really gives the left and right politicos a talking point to quote statistics with false factoid based percentages built on a discrepancy like this. To call a homemaker unemployed is laughable, but apparently, &#039;women&#039;s work&#039; isn&#039;t work at all.

Sigh, and to think all these years I&#039;ve actually been doing nothing except being unemployed. Which, as everyone knows, involves watching daytime talk shows, eating bon-bons, gossiping with my girlfriends, and plotting ways to further abuse &quot;the system&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The food stamp system (in my state at least) is flawed in that it doesn&#8217;t allow for a full time homemaker/ child care option to qualify as employment. I was on food stamps 3 years ago, and during the application process I was told that I had to check &#8216;unemployed&#8217; as my occupation. This also meant that before receiving any food stamps, I had to go to the social services building and take a test assessing my reading and math abilities so they could determine what kind of job I should and could have. Of course, the real reason I didn&#8217;t have a &#8220;real&#8221; job was that I was caring for children and running a household, not because my lazy behind was sitting around squandering my &#8220;grade 12 +&#8221; reading and math abilities.</p>
<p>Well, I got my food stamps, but what I wonder is how &#8220;unemployed&#8221; people like me factor into the statistics for how many unemployed receive food stamps and/or any welfare benefits. It really gives the left and right politicos a talking point to quote statistics with false factoid based percentages built on a discrepancy like this. To call a homemaker unemployed is laughable, but apparently, &#8216;women&#8217;s work&#8217; isn&#8217;t work at all.</p>
<p>Sigh, and to think all these years I&#8217;ve actually been doing nothing except being unemployed. Which, as everyone knows, involves watching daytime talk shows, eating bon-bons, gossiping with my girlfriends, and plotting ways to further abuse &#8220;the system&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: preying mantis</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/30/conservative-exceptionalism/#comment-288443</link>
		<dc:creator>preying mantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why is it whenever someone mentions ‘abusing the system’ it’s always someone they think they know? The numbers would be astonishing if the amount of people I’ve heard of from friends and family – actually – abused the system.&quot;

It&#039;s not like each person who&#039;s &quot;abusing the system&quot; only knows one person, though.  The one person I know of who&#039;s &quot;abusing the system&quot; is at least 20 different other people&#039;s &quot;abusing the system&quot; story.  It drives most of my family absolutely nuts that she can just &quot;get away with it&quot; like she was personally stealing food off their tables.  It drives me nuts that they can get all weepy over fetuses and then turn around and refuse to see a problem with the idea of letting this woman&#039;s &lt;i&gt;kids&lt;/i&gt; go hungry because their mother is negligent and/or suffering from an undiagnosed mental disorder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why is it whenever someone mentions ‘abusing the system’ it’s always someone they think they know? The numbers would be astonishing if the amount of people I’ve heard of from friends and family – actually – abused the system.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like each person who&#8217;s &#8220;abusing the system&#8221; only knows one person, though.  The one person I know of who&#8217;s &#8220;abusing the system&#8221; is at least 20 different other people&#8217;s &#8220;abusing the system&#8221; story.  It drives most of my family absolutely nuts that she can just &#8220;get away with it&#8221; like she was personally stealing food off their tables.  It drives me nuts that they can get all weepy over fetuses and then turn around and refuse to see a problem with the idea of letting this woman&#8217;s <i>kids</i> go hungry because their mother is negligent and/or suffering from an undiagnosed mental disorder.</p>
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		<title>By: jemand</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/30/conservative-exceptionalism/#comment-288439</link>
		<dc:creator>jemand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Athenia, but will it really work?  I&#039;m so pessimistic, I just think the current legislation will be *worse.*  The insurance companies will skim off *all* the profitable cases, and the public will uderwrite all the unprofitable cases.


Sorta like how we privatize all business successes through grand bonuses, but then... when it comes to losses, we socialize those through bailouts.

It&#039;s a *marvelous* gravy train for industry.  Not so much for, you know, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Athenia, but will it really work?  I&#8217;m so pessimistic, I just think the current legislation will be *worse.*  The insurance companies will skim off *all* the profitable cases, and the public will uderwrite all the unprofitable cases.</p>
<p>Sorta like how we privatize all business successes through grand bonuses, but then&#8230; when it comes to losses, we socialize those through bailouts.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a *marvelous* gravy train for industry.  Not so much for, you know, people.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Athenia, that is so true.  Cobra is going up into the $1,000&#039;s a month, and I know several conservative people who, while anti-healthcare reform before, suddenly find that they need it and want it to pass.  To me, however, this is like Cheney deciding not to come out against gay rights.  It doesn&#039;t mean they believe in a deeper social responsibility, just that they&#039;re willing to make exceptions when it actually affects them or the people closest to them.  (To be clear, I&#039;m pro both healthcare reform and gay rights, what I&#039;m saying is that subscribing to a conservative dogma until it&#039;s more convenient to make exceptions, only makes you a hypocrite.  Unfortunately, we really need the hypocrites right now!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Athenia, that is so true.  Cobra is going up into the $1,000&#8242;s a month, and I know several conservative people who, while anti-healthcare reform before, suddenly find that they need it and want it to pass.  To me, however, this is like Cheney deciding not to come out against gay rights.  It doesn&#8217;t mean they believe in a deeper social responsibility, just that they&#8217;re willing to make exceptions when it actually affects them or the people closest to them.  (To be clear, I&#8217;m pro both healthcare reform and gay rights, what I&#8217;m saying is that subscribing to a conservative dogma until it&#8217;s more convenient to make exceptions, only makes you a hypocrite.  Unfortunately, we really need the hypocrites right now!)</p>
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		<title>By: Athenia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athenia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I think going through the deepest recession since the great depression is probably the best thing that could happen to Healthcare--a surefire way to get it passed. 

Sure, people don&#039;t like change, but as more and more people lose their insurance and can&#039;t pay for something to replace it---I think they&#039;ll come around cuz it&#039;s gonna be all about &quot;them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I think going through the deepest recession since the great depression is probably the best thing that could happen to Healthcare&#8211;a surefire way to get it passed. </p>
<p>Sure, people don&#8217;t like change, but as more and more people lose their insurance and can&#8217;t pay for something to replace it&#8212;I think they&#8217;ll come around cuz it&#8217;s gonna be all about &#8220;them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DaisyDeadhead</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/11/30/conservative-exceptionalism/#comment-288410</link>
		<dc:creator>DaisyDeadhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the disastrous town hall meeting/right-wing mob scene I went to during the summer, a guy behind me yowled non-stop that the VA had put his eye-operation off for a year and &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s why&lt;/i&gt; he was &quot;against government-run health care&quot;... I finally turned around and told him &lt;i&gt;it&#039;s better than no eye operation at all! &lt;/i&gt;  

He just looked surprised, like he had never considered that.  

Made me furious.  (Well, not as furious as the whole meeting!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the disastrous town hall meeting/right-wing mob scene I went to during the summer, a guy behind me yowled non-stop that the VA had put his eye-operation off for a year and <i>that&#8217;s why</i> he was &#8220;against government-run health care&#8221;&#8230; I finally turned around and told him <i>it&#8217;s better than no eye operation at all! </i>  </p>
<p>He just looked surprised, like he had never considered that.  </p>
<p>Made me furious.  (Well, not as furious as the whole meeting!)</p>
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		<title>By: Susa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who are interested, here&#039;s a little more info on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://foodstampchallenge.typepad.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Congressional Food Stamp Challenge&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who are interested, here&#8217;s a little more info on the <a href="http://foodstampchallenge.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">Congressional Food Stamp Challenge</a>.</p>
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