Comments on: When Joke Articles Attack: Rise of the Cheetah http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/ In defense of the sanctimonious women's studies set. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:50:52 +0000 hourly 1 By: ACG http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/#comment-289188 ACG Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:33:32 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17199#comment-289188 And just to clarify, my first graf up there wasn't intended to dispute what Lindsay said @ 36. Whether Dana's victims were telling their stories in a joking, dismissive tone or not, what they were describing is rape, which is not something that should be treated as a joke. I wonder if, were he himself victimized by Dana, his attitude would change. And just to clarify, my first graf up there wasn’t intended to dispute what Lindsay said @ 36. Whether Dana’s victims were telling their stories in a joking, dismissive tone or not, what they were describing is rape, which is not something that should be treated as a joke. I wonder if, were he himself victimized by Dana, his attitude would change.

]]> By: ACG http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/#comment-289187 ACG Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:28:34 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17199#comment-289187 I find it entirely possible that guys who are targeted by Dana and her ilk give no clue whatsoever to their friends that they've been victimized. For one, men are socialized not to talk about their feelings as much as women are socialized to talk about ours. For another, it's got to be one of the most humiliating things in the world for a He-Man Woman Hater to admit that he was in some way overpowered or victimized or forced to do something against his will by a woman. Woman weak, man strong, so if woman get man drunk and take advantage of him, it must be something worthy of a joke, right! Ha, ha. Oh, that Dana. And Alex Catgirl, the law (in most states) says that intoxication doesn't absolve a person of guilt when they <i>commit some kind of a crime.</i> Get drunk and run someone over with your car? Still a crime. Get drunk and rob someone? Still a crime. "I was too drunk to know what I was doing" is no defense. But being drunk doesn't mean that you can't <i>have a crime committed against you</i> or absolve the person who committed that crime. If you're drunk, the guy who runs you over is still guilty. If you're drunk, the guy who mugs you is still guilty. And if you're drunk, the person who rapes you is still a rapist - even if she's a woman. There's no "blurred line" - regardless of sex, a person who's too drunk to consent is a person who's too drunk to consent. I find it entirely possible that guys who are targeted by Dana and her ilk give no clue whatsoever to their friends that they’ve been victimized. For one, men are socialized not to talk about their feelings as much as women are socialized to talk about ours. For another, it’s got to be one of the most humiliating things in the world for a He-Man Woman Hater to admit that he was in some way overpowered or victimized or forced to do something against his will by a woman. Woman weak, man strong, so if woman get man drunk and take advantage of him, it must be something worthy of a joke, right! Ha, ha. Oh, that Dana.

And Alex Catgirl, the law (in most states) says that intoxication doesn’t absolve a person of guilt when they commit some kind of a crime. Get drunk and run someone over with your car? Still a crime. Get drunk and rob someone? Still a crime. “I was too drunk to know what I was doing” is no defense.

But being drunk doesn’t mean that you can’t have a crime committed against you or absolve the person who committed that crime. If you’re drunk, the guy who runs you over is still guilty. If you’re drunk, the guy who mugs you is still guilty. And if you’re drunk, the person who rapes you is still a rapist – even if she’s a woman. There’s no “blurred line” – regardless of sex, a person who’s too drunk to consent is a person who’s too drunk to consent.

]]> By: wildefae http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/#comment-288819 wildefae Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:49:32 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17199#comment-288819 Thank you guys for picking up on this. I saw this somewhere else on my list and was really disturbed that it didn't seem to be being discussed as what it is: rape. I'm kind of disturbed in the comments by how many readers are willing to just dismiss this as a joke. "It's just exaggerated" "It was for comic relief." The article was meant to be humorous, but the facts were given to us and I don't find them funny. Why are we willing to give "the real Dana" the benefit of the doubt with this story and not, for example, brush off the same kind of satire from Josh Brorby today? Could it possibly be our deepseated belief that only women can be raped? Rape apology goes both ways. While we are teaching our sons not to rape, we also need to be teaching our daughters the same things. Thank you guys for picking up on this. I saw this somewhere else on my list and was really disturbed that it didn’t seem to be being discussed as what it is: rape.

I’m kind of disturbed in the comments by how many readers are willing to just dismiss this as a joke. “It’s just exaggerated” “It was for comic relief.” The article was meant to be humorous, but the facts were given to us and I don’t find them funny. Why are we willing to give “the real Dana” the benefit of the doubt with this story and not, for example, brush off the same kind of satire from Josh Brorby today? Could it possibly be our deepseated belief that only women can be raped?

Rape apology goes both ways. While we are teaching our sons not to rape, we also need to be teaching our daughters the same things.

]]> By: aroundthebend http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/#comment-288809 aroundthebend Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:58:28 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17199#comment-288809 Lil Wayne tells that story a lot and the one about "losing his virginity" at a very young age to a much older women. in one interview expresses that yes he sees this as rape/unwanted/traumatic. think the way he minimizes it is common for victims of rape and abuse. Lil Wayne tells that story a lot and the one about “losing his virginity” at a very young age to a much older women. in one interview expresses that yes he sees this as rape/unwanted/traumatic. think the way he minimizes it is common for victims of rape and abuse.

]]> By: Reginald Dwight http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/#comment-288750 Reginald Dwight Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:00:57 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17199#comment-288750 Confused about the new Feline categorization system? <a href="http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2009/12/04/know-your-female-feline-metaphors/" rel="nofollow"><b>Alas</b> has the details</a>... Confused about the new Feline categorization system? Alas has the details…

]]> By: Mary http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/#comment-288729 Mary Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:36:43 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17199#comment-288729 Thanks Sonia, I will definitely check that out! Thanks Sonia, I will definitely check that out!

]]> By: Lindsay Beyerstein http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/#comment-288711 Lindsay Beyerstein Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:47:58 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17199#comment-288711 The guys who allegedly ended up in bed with Dana weren't joking about their own experiences. But the author seemed to treat the whole story as a joke. It's hard to tell what's being exaggerated for comic effect and what to take literally. The guys who allegedly ended up in bed with Dana weren’t joking about their own experiences. But the author seemed to treat the whole story as a joke. It’s hard to tell what’s being exaggerated for comic effect and what to take literally.

]]> By: sonia http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/#comment-288682 sonia Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:21:20 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17199#comment-288682 <blockquote>Besides the previously discussed, I can’t get past this seemingly ingrained connection with mating being predatory and violent. </blockquote> This is a US thing. Check out <i>The Culture Code</i> by Clotaire Rapaille for a deeper understanding.

Besides the previously discussed, I can’t get past this seemingly ingrained connection with mating being predatory and violent.

This is a US thing. Check out The Culture Code by Clotaire Rapaille for a deeper understanding.

]]> By: bertie http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/#comment-288635 bertie Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:25:13 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17199#comment-288635 On guys joking about victimization...there is a video circulating around on hip-hop sites right now of a drunk/high lil'Wayne telling a group of his friends about having a women perform oral sex on him at 11 yrs old--at the insistence and in front of a group of older men. Although the story is about an instance of child abuse of Wayne and rape of both the woman and Wayne, its told by Wayne as merely a minor and comical anecdote about how crazy his life has been for years. I don't know if the "facts" in this article are true--but I don't think the fact that the victim made a joke about his experience makes the story unreliable. On guys joking about victimization…there is a video circulating around on hip-hop sites right now of a drunk/high lil’Wayne telling a group of his friends about having a women perform oral sex on him at 11 yrs old–at the insistence and in front of a group of older men. Although the story is about an instance of child abuse of Wayne and rape of both the woman and Wayne, its told by Wayne as merely a minor and comical anecdote about how crazy his life has been for years. I don’t know if the “facts” in this article are true–but I don’t think the fact that the victim made a joke about his experience makes the story unreliable.

]]> By: Sady http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/12/02/when-joke-articles-attack-rise-of-the-cheetah/#comment-288627 Sady Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:02:10 +0000 http://www.feministe.us/blog/?p=17199#comment-288627 Yeah. Sorry about this - I was away from my desk for a lot of the day today, but I need to be among the voices chiming in to say, if we're concerned about rape and don't think it should happen, "never isolate people who you know would not readily have sex with you under other circumstances while they are incapacitatingly drunk or high in order to have sex with them" is a really fine and dandy and by all means non-rape-cheapening guideline to live by and/or impose on others. People play games to have sex with each other, but THAT game? Unacceptable, under all circumstances. Yeah. Sorry about this – I was away from my desk for a lot of the day today, but I need to be among the voices chiming in to say, if we’re concerned about rape and don’t think it should happen, “never isolate people who you know would not readily have sex with you under other circumstances while they are incapacitatingly drunk or high in order to have sex with them” is a really fine and dandy and by all means non-rape-cheapening guideline to live by and/or impose on others. People play games to have sex with each other, but THAT game? Unacceptable, under all circumstances.

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