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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/01/07/another-reason-not-to-eat-at-kfc/#comment-291673</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eli, you are right.  The ad, as executed, is offensive.  It was particularly dense of the Aussie ad agency to not realise how the context would be seen overseas (and what about KFC&#039;s own marketing people?  how did this get past them?).

I imagine that they had a whole series planned for all the cricket international matches for this year, whereby the lone Aussie supporter would be surrounded by supporters of the other teams according to whichever team was being played at the moment (Brits, South Africans, Indians, New Zealanders, Pakistanis, Srk Lankans AND West Indians) displaying their traditional form of team support and then he cleverly would soften their partisanship against him by offering them food so they could all enjoy the game together (offering the hospitality of food is one of the most traditional ways to indicate the wish for peaceful coexistence, after all).  

&lt;strong&gt;IF&lt;/strong&gt; they had had the sense to introduce this concept with one of the other teams, especially with the Brits or Kiwis, and then to include the West Indian supporters as part of the series after it had already been seen in the context of several other teams, &lt;strong&gt;THEN&lt;/strong&gt; they would have a better defence.  But to lead the concept with the West Indian supporters shows all sorts of unthinking awareness-fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eli, you are right.  The ad, as executed, is offensive.  It was particularly dense of the Aussie ad agency to not realise how the context would be seen overseas (and what about KFC&#8217;s own marketing people?  how did this get past them?).</p>
<p>I imagine that they had a whole series planned for all the cricket international matches for this year, whereby the lone Aussie supporter would be surrounded by supporters of the other teams according to whichever team was being played at the moment (Brits, South Africans, Indians, New Zealanders, Pakistanis, Srk Lankans AND West Indians) displaying their traditional form of team support and then he cleverly would soften their partisanship against him by offering them food so they could all enjoy the game together (offering the hospitality of food is one of the most traditional ways to indicate the wish for peaceful coexistence, after all).  </p>
<p><strong>IF</strong> they had had the sense to introduce this concept with one of the other teams, especially with the Brits or Kiwis, and then to include the West Indian supporters as part of the series after it had already been seen in the context of several other teams, <strong>THEN</strong> they would have a better defence.  But to lead the concept with the West Indian supporters shows all sorts of unthinking awareness-fail.</p>
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		<title>By: eli</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/01/07/another-reason-not-to-eat-at-kfc/#comment-291663</link>
		<dc:creator>eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the good old, &quot;I don&#039;t see it, so it doesn&#039;t exist&quot; trope. I love it. Except for how I don&#039;t.

It&#039;s icky because of the chicken. But that&#039;s merely an unfortunate coincidence (that someone in a multinational corporation should have picked up on). 

The issue is that some people seem to think it&#039;s totally cool to shut black people up with food products. That is not cool. It could be chicken. It could be a pencil. It could be any freaking thing you want to imagine. But the idea of a white guy giving something to POC to shut them up?

That&#039;s offensive. Maybe it doesn&#039;t offend you. But it is offensive. This is not up for debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the good old, &#8220;I don&#8217;t see it, so it doesn&#8217;t exist&#8221; trope. I love it. Except for how I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s icky because of the chicken. But that&#8217;s merely an unfortunate coincidence (that someone in a multinational corporation should have picked up on). </p>
<p>The issue is that some people seem to think it&#8217;s totally cool to shut black people up with food products. That is not cool. It could be chicken. It could be a pencil. It could be any freaking thing you want to imagine. But the idea of a white guy giving something to POC to shut them up?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s offensive. Maybe it doesn&#8217;t offend you. But it is offensive. This is not up for debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Trier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans, and the rest of the world have taken this commercial completely out of context. As an American who has been living in OZ for the past 2 1/2 years, I can honestly say that NO ONE here saw that ad as offensive. not at all. And I don&#039;t think that this is a lack of sensitivity, but a cultural difference. I don&#039;t think the West Indians would see it as a problem either. 

On a side note, &quot;black people loving fried chicken&quot; isn&#039;t really a racist observation here. Australians don&#039;t understand why Americans are getting so worked up about it...  

its really interesting watching both sides. 

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans, and the rest of the world have taken this commercial completely out of context. As an American who has been living in OZ for the past 2 1/2 years, I can honestly say that NO ONE here saw that ad as offensive. not at all. And I don&#8217;t think that this is a lack of sensitivity, but a cultural difference. I don&#8217;t think the West Indians would see it as a problem either. </p>
<p>On a side note, &#8220;black people loving fried chicken&#8221; isn&#8217;t really a racist observation here. Australians don&#8217;t understand why Americans are getting so worked up about it&#8230;  </p>
<p>its really interesting watching both sides. </p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look... I am as anti KFC as you can get but this is rediculous.
The Australia Cricket team is playing a competition against the West Indies this summer. 
If they were playing against the English Cricket team the Aussie supporter would be handing the chicken to the Barmy Army (Englsh cricket fans)
It would be like a lone Chicago Bear supporter in a crowd surrounded by Pittsburgh Steeler fans. He feels out of place so he shares his food to make friends.
Come on... context!!!!
Why are so many people in America making such a big deal out of this?
This has nothing to with Americans it was never intended for an American audience &amp; they are NOT African Americans they are West Indians!!!
It&#039;s got nothing to do with a white man in a black crowd it is an Aussie supporter surrounded by West Indies supporters... who mind you, do sing &amp; dance &amp; bang drums!! It is not a stereotype they love cricket as much as Aussies do.
Why don&#039;t you ask the West Indies if they think it is racist!
They&#039;ll laugh at you!!!
If you are offended by a commerical that was made in Australia for Australians &amp; only shown on Aussie tv then don&#039;t go searching on the internet.
I know race relations in America have a long long history but no offense... America is not the centre of the world. Your issues are your issues!
Please just think about that.
* I will never, ever, ever set foot in a KFC &quot;restaurant&quot; &amp; I often protest outside them due to the cruelty of their practices but this is about calling Aussie&#039;s racist &amp; that&#039;s not fair.
They are your issues not ours
:)
x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look&#8230; I am as anti KFC as you can get but this is rediculous.<br />
The Australia Cricket team is playing a competition against the West Indies this summer.<br />
If they were playing against the English Cricket team the Aussie supporter would be handing the chicken to the Barmy Army (Englsh cricket fans)<br />
It would be like a lone Chicago Bear supporter in a crowd surrounded by Pittsburgh Steeler fans. He feels out of place so he shares his food to make friends.<br />
Come on&#8230; context!!!!<br />
Why are so many people in America making such a big deal out of this?<br />
This has nothing to with Americans it was never intended for an American audience &amp; they are NOT African Americans they are West Indians!!!<br />
It&#8217;s got nothing to do with a white man in a black crowd it is an Aussie supporter surrounded by West Indies supporters&#8230; who mind you, do sing &amp; dance &amp; bang drums!! It is not a stereotype they love cricket as much as Aussies do.<br />
Why don&#8217;t you ask the West Indies if they think it is racist!<br />
They&#8217;ll laugh at you!!!<br />
If you are offended by a commerical that was made in Australia for Australians &amp; only shown on Aussie tv then don&#8217;t go searching on the internet.<br />
I know race relations in America have a long long history but no offense&#8230; America is not the centre of the world. Your issues are your issues!<br />
Please just think about that.<br />
* I will never, ever, ever set foot in a KFC &#8220;restaurant&#8221; &amp; I often protest outside them due to the cruelty of their practices but this is about calling Aussie&#8217;s racist &amp; that&#8217;s not fair.<br />
They are your issues not ours<br />
:)<br />
x</p>
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		<title>By: etoile</title>
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		<dc:creator>etoile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m an Australian, but some of my best friends are Canadians. And Americans. Really. Anyways, they seem to be remarkably naive about some racial issues – for example, one guy is totally unaware of the racist background of the Stolen Generation. 

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Mike, I&#039;m not sure what your point is. I don&#039;t think that many people in any country would be fully aware of all racism issues in another country; I wouldn&#039;t call that naive.

Regardless, the advertising agency should have thought a bit harder about the implications behind this ad. It doesn&#039;t take an extensive knowledge of worldwide racism history to realise that such an ad would be problematic. But then, when has intelligent thought ever been behind advertising? They&#039;re selling krappy food to the masses, it&#039;s not that hard...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m an Australian, but some of my best friends are Canadians. And Americans. Really. Anyways, they seem to be remarkably naive about some racial issues – for example, one guy is totally unaware of the racist background of the Stolen Generation. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;&#8220;`<br />
Mike, I&#8217;m not sure what your point is. I don&#8217;t think that many people in any country would be fully aware of all racism issues in another country; I wouldn&#8217;t call that naive.</p>
<p>Regardless, the advertising agency should have thought a bit harder about the implications behind this ad. It doesn&#8217;t take an extensive knowledge of worldwide racism history to realise that such an ad would be problematic. But then, when has intelligent thought ever been behind advertising? They&#8217;re selling krappy food to the masses, it&#8217;s not that hard&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chibik629</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/01/07/another-reason-not-to-eat-at-kfc/#comment-291337</link>
		<dc:creator>chibik629</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ P.T. Smith
Because the West Indies isn’t exactly full of “varied ethnicity.”

The West Indies has plenty of varied ethnicity. I&#039;m Trinidadian with a Chinese grandfather and a Hispanic last name and plenty of West Indian friends of East Indian descent. There is also the native Carib Indian population who I believe lived there originally so I&#039;ve always seen the West Indies as ethnically diverse.

But what I&#039;d also like to say from having watched the commercial is that it&#039;s really not about the chicken, as others have said. The man in the commercial calls the situation awkward but he&#039;s clearly annoyed at the least to be sitting there. Also, the line he says and the way he hands them the bucket further implies that he didn&#039;t have chicken on hand because he planned on eating it himself but rather that it&#039;s his method of quieting the rowdy West Indians.

I&#039;ve had a little experience in film and editing and it makes me think even more that people haven&#039;t gotten outraged by mistake. The people who created the concept for the commercial and shot it made it racist, despite what the intent was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ P.T. Smith<br />
Because the West Indies isn’t exactly full of “varied ethnicity.”</p>
<p>The West Indies has plenty of varied ethnicity. I&#8217;m Trinidadian with a Chinese grandfather and a Hispanic last name and plenty of West Indian friends of East Indian descent. There is also the native Carib Indian population who I believe lived there originally so I&#8217;ve always seen the West Indies as ethnically diverse.</p>
<p>But what I&#8217;d also like to say from having watched the commercial is that it&#8217;s really not about the chicken, as others have said. The man in the commercial calls the situation awkward but he&#8217;s clearly annoyed at the least to be sitting there. Also, the line he says and the way he hands them the bucket further implies that he didn&#8217;t have chicken on hand because he planned on eating it himself but rather that it&#8217;s his method of quieting the rowdy West Indians.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a little experience in film and editing and it makes me think even more that people haven&#8217;t gotten outraged by mistake. The people who created the concept for the commercial and shot it made it racist, despite what the intent was.</p>
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		<title>By: hexy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No reason why you couldn’t have had a Koori cricket fan offering the chicken.&lt;/i&gt;

Wouldn&#039;t happen, both for the reason that Indigenous Australians (Koori or otherwise) are so very rarely represented in advertising media, and for the same reason it wouldn&#039;t be a woman in the ad: the &quot;standard issue&quot; cricket fan over here is perceived as a white male.

I&#039;m a little surprised by all the Aussies chiming in to say that we don&#039;t have the &quot;black people love fried chicken&quot; stereotype. While we may not have something that specific, it&#039;s certainly a stereotype here that black people eat cheap, rubbish food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No reason why you couldn’t have had a Koori cricket fan offering the chicken.</i></p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t happen, both for the reason that Indigenous Australians (Koori or otherwise) are so very rarely represented in advertising media, and for the same reason it wouldn&#8217;t be a woman in the ad: the &#8220;standard issue&#8221; cricket fan over here is perceived as a white male.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised by all the Aussies chiming in to say that we don&#8217;t have the &#8220;black people love fried chicken&#8221; stereotype. While we may not have something that specific, it&#8217;s certainly a stereotype here that black people eat cheap, rubbish food.</p>
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		<title>By: Fine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m a Canadian, but some of my best friends are Aussies. And Kiwis. Really. Anyways, they seem to be remarkably naive about some racial issues – for example, one guy is totally unaware of the racist background of the Obama Birthers.&quot;

Mike, could that be because &#039;Obama Birthers&#039; not a huge issue in Australia? I think there&#039;s a bit of cultural imperialism going on. Australia is a racist country, but the issues here aren&#039;t identical to those of the USA and it seems to me a bit presumptuous to think that Australians should be aware of that specific controversy and that being unaware is somehow &#039;naive&#039;. It&#039;s not something which is played out here. It&#039;s no wonder that people might be unaware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m a Canadian, but some of my best friends are Aussies. And Kiwis. Really. Anyways, they seem to be remarkably naive about some racial issues – for example, one guy is totally unaware of the racist background of the Obama Birthers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mike, could that be because &#8216;Obama Birthers&#8217; not a huge issue in Australia? I think there&#8217;s a bit of cultural imperialism going on. Australia is a racist country, but the issues here aren&#8217;t identical to those of the USA and it seems to me a bit presumptuous to think that Australians should be aware of that specific controversy and that being unaware is somehow &#8216;naive&#8217;. It&#8217;s not something which is played out here. It&#8217;s no wonder that people might be unaware.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an American who spent about a month in Adelaide, Australia a few years ago, and from the limited exposure I had, there&#039;s no way I would have said Australia is free of racial politics and race-based issues.  Different ones than the US, for sure, but the dynamic of lighter skin = better was pretty prevalent in what I saw.  So yeah, I&#039;d say Australia has its own racist past and issues to deal with, and is still doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an American who spent about a month in Adelaide, Australia a few years ago, and from the limited exposure I had, there&#8217;s no way I would have said Australia is free of racial politics and race-based issues.  Different ones than the US, for sure, but the dynamic of lighter skin = better was pretty prevalent in what I saw.  So yeah, I&#8217;d say Australia has its own racist past and issues to deal with, and is still doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All else aside, I just want to point out that there seems to be a pervasive lack of awareness in this thread that the West Indies is actually quite diverse. There are lots of Chinese and Indian (South Asian) folks, mostly descended from laborers who were brought to work the sugarcane fields (&quot;coolies&quot;) toward the end of the African slave trade era. There are also more recent migrations of Syrian and Lebanese folks. Drive around Trinidad and Tobago, where the national staple is roti (Indian bread) and the most popular restaurants are Chinese-run. Just sayin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All else aside, I just want to point out that there seems to be a pervasive lack of awareness in this thread that the West Indies is actually quite diverse. There are lots of Chinese and Indian (South Asian) folks, mostly descended from laborers who were brought to work the sugarcane fields (&#8220;coolies&#8221;) toward the end of the African slave trade era. There are also more recent migrations of Syrian and Lebanese folks. Drive around Trinidad and Tobago, where the national staple is roti (Indian bread) and the most popular restaurants are Chinese-run. Just sayin.</p>
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