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	<title>Comments on: The Hangover That Never Ends: What I Learned From the Golden Globes</title>
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		<title>By: femspotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>femspotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Avatar! I found the goddess-worshipping culture very refreshing and I don&#039;t think it was a hollow film with only style and flashy effects to show for itself. It made my top ten for the year, with and without women&#039;s issues in mind.

Kathryn Bigelow won the Director&#039;s Guild award and will probably win the Oscar. My concern about that is not that she isn&#039;t a good filmmaker, because she is IMO, but because she&#039;s not advancing the feminist cause with her film. It&#039;s easy to dismiss The Hurt Locker as a guy&#039;s movie...and oh look, it&#039;s made by a woman. Wow! But a win for someone like Jane Campion, who makes films about women, could not be dismissed as conformity to the Hollywood agenda. I caution against championing that first for women directors at the Oscars without evaluating what the win will mean. In Bigelow&#039;s case, it might mean that more female directors will be asked or expected to produce works about men and for men. It is possible that her win will be more of a setback than an advancement for women in this industry. &quot;Make movies with teeth,&quot; was Bigelow&#039;s advice to aspiring director Sarah Polley.

And Bigelow isn&#039;t the only female director working out of the RomCom genre: I mentioned Campion, but also consider the work of Antonia Bird (Priest, Ravenous), Kimberly Peirce (Boys Don&#039;t Cry, Stop-Loss) and Karen Moncrieff (Blue Car, The Dead Girl), to name a few. Julie &amp; Julia by Nora Ephron is an example of feminism working in a traditional women&#039;s genre. Any of these directors winning would advance our right to make important movies for and about men AND women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Avatar! I found the goddess-worshipping culture very refreshing and I don&#8217;t think it was a hollow film with only style and flashy effects to show for itself. It made my top ten for the year, with and without women&#8217;s issues in mind.</p>
<p>Kathryn Bigelow won the Director&#8217;s Guild award and will probably win the Oscar. My concern about that is not that she isn&#8217;t a good filmmaker, because she is IMO, but because she&#8217;s not advancing the feminist cause with her film. It&#8217;s easy to dismiss The Hurt Locker as a guy&#8217;s movie&#8230;and oh look, it&#8217;s made by a woman. Wow! But a win for someone like Jane Campion, who makes films about women, could not be dismissed as conformity to the Hollywood agenda. I caution against championing that first for women directors at the Oscars without evaluating what the win will mean. In Bigelow&#8217;s case, it might mean that more female directors will be asked or expected to produce works about men and for men. It is possible that her win will be more of a setback than an advancement for women in this industry. &#8220;Make movies with teeth,&#8221; was Bigelow&#8217;s advice to aspiring director Sarah Polley.</p>
<p>And Bigelow isn&#8217;t the only female director working out of the RomCom genre: I mentioned Campion, but also consider the work of Antonia Bird (Priest, Ravenous), Kimberly Peirce (Boys Don&#8217;t Cry, Stop-Loss) and Karen Moncrieff (Blue Car, The Dead Girl), to name a few. Julie &amp; Julia by Nora Ephron is an example of feminism working in a traditional women&#8217;s genre. Any of these directors winning would advance our right to make important movies for and about men AND women.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Salami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy Salami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a big Cameron fan, but Avatar was very weak except for the effects. It does manage to create an interesting world, but the direction and screenplay were nothing special. But it made lots of money, and they&#039;ll spend lots of money promoting it, so it&#039;s the best picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a big Cameron fan, but Avatar was very weak except for the effects. It does manage to create an interesting world, but the direction and screenplay were nothing special. But it made lots of money, and they&#8217;ll spend lots of money promoting it, so it&#8217;s the best picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Cristy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you.  Avatar was very pretty to look at, but the story has been told some many times before.  YEAH YEAH, CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY...........BLAH BLAH BLAH.  I too saw The Hurt Locker and loved it!  I was pretty upset that AVATAR won both Best Director AND Best Picture! and it pisses me off that it will most likely win the Oscar for both those categories!!  Not only does does Kathryn get robbed, but so does Terentino!  BOO!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you.  Avatar was very pretty to look at, but the story has been told some many times before.  YEAH YEAH, CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..BLAH BLAH BLAH.  I too saw The Hurt Locker and loved it!  I was pretty upset that AVATAR won both Best Director AND Best Picture! and it pisses me off that it will most likely win the Oscar for both those categories!!  Not only does does Kathryn get robbed, but so does Terentino!  BOO!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still enjoyed the post though, I will be tuning in to your other ones. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still enjoyed the post though, I will be tuning in to your other ones. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good read!

&quot;Avatar has to be a dumb movie. Because, if it were smarter, fewer people would see it, and some of them might not get it.&quot;

Don&#039;t agree with that logic.  Just because a lot of people were about to &quot;get it&quot; does not make it a dumb movie.  Some people view intellect as being able to express deep/complex ideas in a way that everybody can understand.  A lot of people understood Hurt Locker&#039;s wires and bombs just like how they understood cool looking dinosaurs.  

&quot;Here’s the thing, though: Kathryn Bigelow got me to feel a much greater amount of tension and involvement with scenes of a guy moving some wires around in a box. And I saw it in two dimensions.&quot;

Just because Hurt Locker was more intense to you, does not make it a better movie.  That movie whole movie was based on intense emotion while Avatar was based on fantasy, action, and great visuals.  Some people appreciate one more than the other.

I enjoyed Avatar, but I do agree it was overrated due to the hype, press coverage, and big name director.  But I also felt Hurt Locker, though a good flim, was also overhyped being that it was about men in war...with just about to no social commentary on the war itself.  This film took a neutral position on the issue so more people could enjoy/relate to the film...sounds kind of &quot;dumb&quot; to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good read!</p>
<p>&#8220;Avatar has to be a dumb movie. Because, if it were smarter, fewer people would see it, and some of them might not get it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t agree with that logic.  Just because a lot of people were about to &#8220;get it&#8221; does not make it a dumb movie.  Some people view intellect as being able to express deep/complex ideas in a way that everybody can understand.  A lot of people understood Hurt Locker&#8217;s wires and bombs just like how they understood cool looking dinosaurs.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Here’s the thing, though: Kathryn Bigelow got me to feel a much greater amount of tension and involvement with scenes of a guy moving some wires around in a box. And I saw it in two dimensions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just because Hurt Locker was more intense to you, does not make it a better movie.  That movie whole movie was based on intense emotion while Avatar was based on fantasy, action, and great visuals.  Some people appreciate one more than the other.</p>
<p>I enjoyed Avatar, but I do agree it was overrated due to the hype, press coverage, and big name director.  But I also felt Hurt Locker, though a good flim, was also overhyped being that it was about men in war&#8230;with just about to no social commentary on the war itself.  This film took a neutral position on the issue so more people could enjoy/relate to the film&#8230;sounds kind of &#8220;dumb&#8221; to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pixelfish...I saw Titanic because I felt like if I appreciate film on a technical level, I had to.  And there were a couple moments that were gut wrenching (they just did not involve the characters in the film).  To laugh off the technical aspects of Titanic is totally absurd.  You should have smacked them in the head (with something soft and non-destructive, of course).  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pixelfish&#8230;I saw Titanic because I felt like if I appreciate film on a technical level, I had to.  And there were a couple moments that were gut wrenching (they just did not involve the characters in the film).  To laugh off the technical aspects of Titanic is totally absurd.  You should have smacked them in the head (with something soft and non-destructive, of course).  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney Barret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney Barret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so, I went to Tiger Beatdown today.  There were no posts I hadn&#039;t read yet, so I started looking around at other lady blogs.  I was lamenting to myself that I really like Sady&#039;s writing, and why can&#039;t all these other writers write like her?, being a total brat, basically because I hadn&#039;t been able to get my Sady fix.  Anyway, I started reading this article and decided that I liked this author quite bit, and she writes very much like Sady.  And then, I realized it was you.  So, to sum up: I was sad, and then I was excited because I found a new fem-author to read, and then I was really excited becuase I had found another SADY piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, I went to Tiger Beatdown today.  There were no posts I hadn&#8217;t read yet, so I started looking around at other lady blogs.  I was lamenting to myself that I really like Sady&#8217;s writing, and why can&#8217;t all these other writers write like her?, being a total brat, basically because I hadn&#8217;t been able to get my Sady fix.  Anyway, I started reading this article and decided that I liked this author quite bit, and she writes very much like Sady.  And then, I realized it was you.  So, to sum up: I was sad, and then I was excited because I found a new fem-author to read, and then I was really excited becuase I had found another SADY piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Salome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a composer, and I think this solidifies me on my decision that I will not marry someone involved in the music business.  I don&#039;t want to be in Bigelow&#039;s position.

This is not something I should have to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a composer, and I think this solidifies me on my decision that I will not marry someone involved in the music business.  I don&#8217;t want to be in Bigelow&#8217;s position.</p>
<p>This is not something I should have to do.</p>
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		<title>By: PixelFish</title>
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		<dc:creator>PixelFish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, a lot of my guy friends, coworkers, and acquaintances were all weirdly proud of the fact that even though Titanic was big....they never saw it. I would say things like, &quot;Oh, well, I thought it was worth seeing on a technical level, because if the story wasn&#039;t so great, watching the ship sink and integrating the historical moments was really well done. It&#039;s a fabulous technical achievement.&quot; And they would laugh me off.

And now Avatar is here, and I was reluctant to watch it because of the racial/colonization issues, and all the guy friends are like, &quot;So, the story is kinda meh, but you should watch it, because it&#039;s a great technical achievement. &quot;

You can read that little anecdote at least two ways. One is that technical achievement may not be a reason to see a movie. (Unless you are an artist in an art-driven industry like film or games, which I am. But that shouldn&#039;t over-ride other concerns perhaps.) The other is that the stench of girl cooties over-rides everything. Because I might give Avatar a chance, but I still can&#039;t convince many of the guys to give Titanic the same chance. Because all they can see is sappy love story, and that&#039;s not a guy thing, doncha know.

(S&#039;one of the reasons I lurve my boy so much. He&#039;s not afraid of girl cooties. He let me read L. M. Montgomery&#039;s Blue Castle aloud to him. Granted, it was while he was painting Warhammer figurines, but he engaged with the story.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, a lot of my guy friends, coworkers, and acquaintances were all weirdly proud of the fact that even though Titanic was big&#8230;.they never saw it. I would say things like, &#8220;Oh, well, I thought it was worth seeing on a technical level, because if the story wasn&#8217;t so great, watching the ship sink and integrating the historical moments was really well done. It&#8217;s a fabulous technical achievement.&#8221; And they would laugh me off.</p>
<p>And now Avatar is here, and I was reluctant to watch it because of the racial/colonization issues, and all the guy friends are like, &#8220;So, the story is kinda meh, but you should watch it, because it&#8217;s a great technical achievement. &#8221;</p>
<p>You can read that little anecdote at least two ways. One is that technical achievement may not be a reason to see a movie. (Unless you are an artist in an art-driven industry like film or games, which I am. But that shouldn&#8217;t over-ride other concerns perhaps.) The other is that the stench of girl cooties over-rides everything. Because I might give Avatar a chance, but I still can&#8217;t convince many of the guys to give Titanic the same chance. Because all they can see is sappy love story, and that&#8217;s not a guy thing, doncha know.</p>
<p>(S&#8217;one of the reasons I lurve my boy so much. He&#8217;s not afraid of girl cooties. He let me read L. M. Montgomery&#8217;s Blue Castle aloud to him. Granted, it was while he was painting Warhammer figurines, but he engaged with the story.)</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Krizanovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Krizanovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought Bigelow would lose because she&#039;s a woman. Her exceptional film is against one of the most exceptional films in history. I just don&#039;t think along gender lines, although I am not so naive to think that politics within the industry - or the box office - has nothing to do with awards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought Bigelow would lose because she&#8217;s a woman. Her exceptional film is against one of the most exceptional films in history. I just don&#8217;t think along gender lines, although I am not so naive to think that politics within the industry &#8211; or the box office &#8211; has nothing to do with awards.</p>
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